In my previous post on the Order of the Eastern Star (OES) I briefly gave a history of the secret society, highlighted its Masonic ties, and discussed a few of the gods represented by the “Eastern Star” on which they base their name. I will now highlight the goddesses behind the Order, some of the symbols they embrace, and their Cabalistic Motto.
Embracing the goddesses
When Rob Morris was organizing the basic layout of the OES, he decided there would be five degrees, or points, and that there would be five female figures representing the Order. Originally, he chose five goddesses from ancient paganism as his five female figures, then had second thoughts about bringing pagan ideas to the forefront, possibly thinking that the majority of women would probably be turned off if the pagan ideas were the focus since most of the U.S. at the time professed Christianity. So he pulled what I would call a “Constantine” by giving his goddesses Biblical concepts or names, but keeping the symbols of the women the same as the pagan goddesses. Here they are:
- Jephthah’s daughter, who Morris named Adah: The OES claims that she illustrates respect to the binding force of a vow. Jephthah made a vow to the Lord in Judges 11 that the first thing to greet him from his house when he returned from battle with a victory from God would be offered to the Lord. The first to greet him when he returned home from that battle was his daughter, so he kept his vow to the Lord in spite of how much it would cost him. Adah was originally the goddess Luna, the goddess of the moon. Luna is the “goddess with three forms” and also called Diana, Selene, Artemis, and Hecate. She is also goddess of witchcraft, sorcery, night (darkness), the lower world, and patron saint of feminists and lesbians since she perpetually shunned males. The followers of Diana were the ones who started a riot against Paul and his companions in Acts 19 for preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
- Ruth: She illustrates devotion to religious principles. Originally she was Flora, the goddess of springtime and flowers who was also called Chloris. Every year in honor of Flora, the Romans held the festival of Floralia in the spring. Floralia was much like Mardi Gras where the people participated in “merriment and licentiousness.”1 This is a nice way to say they had drunken orgies.2
- Esther: Illustrates fidelity to kindred and friends. Esther was previously Hebe, the goddess of youth who was cupbearer to the gods and goddess of domestic matters. The Romans called her Juventas.
- Martha: Represents undeviating faith in the hour of trial. Her corresponding goddess was Thetis (Thesis), goddess of creation and the sea. She was mother of Achilles and dipped him in the river Styx to make him invincible. Thetis had the power to prophesy (i.e. fortune-telling) and was a shape-shifter.
- Electa: This name is not in the Bible, but Morris gave this name to the woman hosting the church in her house in 2 John. The goddess who she replaced in the original plan of the Eastern Star was Areme, a secret goddess of the Egyptians whose name is not widely known.
Symbols
Masonic organizations like OES rely heavily on the use of symbols to hide the true meanings behind the doctrines they embrace. One Masonic publication admits,”It may
be asserted in the broadest terms that the Freemason who knows nothing of our symbolism knows little of Freemasonry. He may be able to repeat every line of the ritual without an error, yet, if he does not understand the meaning of the ceremonies, the signs, the words, the emblems and figures, he is a Masonic ignoramus.”3 So here is a look at some of the symbols used by OES:
- Broken Column: This symbol can be traced back to ancient Egypt and symbolizes the fall of Osiris.
Some depictions show Isis weeping over the column while holding a sprig of wheat in her right hand and a canopic jar in her left with Horus (Chronos, Saturn) standing behind her while she reads in a book of incantations to try to resurrect her husband. The broken column is also a phallic symbol where the column is the male member and the circular base is female genitalia. So here we see again how Masonic organizations are preoccupied with sex.
- Pentagram: The emblem of OES has a five-pointed upside-down star. This, of course, represents black magic, the Goat of Mendes, Baphomet, or his most popular name, Satan. They also use the right side up five-pointed star which represents white magic, the Light Bearer, or Lucifer, the other name for Satan.
- Gavel: Symbol of power and Thor’s hammer. Thor was the Norse god of thunder, lightning, air, and fertility. Thor was lord of the air and the Bible reveals clearly to us who that really is in Ephesians 2:2. Thor’s hammer was also a phallic symbol of the male member.
- Equilateral Triangle: It is used on Eastern Star badges and represents the perfection or divinity of humankind. Manly P. Hall, a 33 degree Mason, in his book The Lost Keys of Freemasonry (1923) states on p. 92 that “Man is a god in the making.” This idea that man can become a god is also taught by various other Masonic authors like Joseph Fort Newton, Arthur Edward Waite, and J. D. Buck. The origins of this doctrine go all the way back to the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3 when the Serpent told Eve “…ye shall be as gods…”
- Hexagram: Also called King Solomon’s Seal, the Star of David, this double equilateral triangle is the joining of the “Water Triangle” and “Fire Triangle.” It symbolizes contact with the dead (necromancy) and calling up devils. It is also a phallic symbol of the joining of male and female genitalia.
These are just a few of the symbols Eastern Star uses. Since they are Masonic, they also use all of the symbols promoted by Freemasonry. When the whole body of symbols is taken into account, it becomes obvious how corrupt an organization OES really is.
Cabalistic Motto
Cabala, or Kabalah, or Qabalah, is Jewish-based theosophy (occultism). Eastern Star has a motto based on this mystic cult which appears as an acronym on their seal–FATAL. The acronym is a warning to its members about divulging their secrets but also stands for the motto, “Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely.” This password used in Eastern Star rituals is an offshoot of phrases found in the Song of Solomon. In Song of Solomon the man in chapter 5 was called chiefest among ten thousand and altogether lovely and he represents Christ. The phrase was used by Christians of old to express their love for Christ. The OES has given it a bastardized meaning. By reciting the motto, OES believes the initiate achieves salvation.
The phrase is used with the five women in each degree mentioned above:
- Jephthah’s daughter, because she devoted her life to preserve her father from eternal infamy, was the Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely
- Ruth, because she forsook home, friends, and all things, in a heathen land, to seek out the people of God, was the Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely
- Esther, because she offered her crown and life to preserve her people, was Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely
- Martha, because amidst all the despair of death and the woe of desolation, she preserved her faith in the Word of God, was the Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely
- Electa, because in her martyrdom for Christ’s sake she hesitated not to sacrifice all things that love can prize or friendship cherish, was the Fairest Among Thousands, Altogether Lovely4
So the Eastern Star has turned a phrase once used to represent Christ into a phrase to represent their initiates and have essentially pushed the Lord Jesus Christ aside to save themselves by their own works so they can become a god.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [Romans 1: 21]
References:
1 New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology (Prometheus Press, 1972) p. 210.
2 Charles G. Berger, Our Phallic Heritage (New York: Greenwich Book Publishers, 1966) p. 78-79.
3 Short Talk Bulletin, “Symbolism” (March 1925, vol. 3, no. 3) p. 15.
4 History of the Order of the Eastern Star (Cedar Rapids, IA: Torch Press, 1917) p. 572.
Source: Cathy Burns, Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star (Mt. Carmel, PA: Sharing, 2006).
–posted by Harry A. Gaylord–
Joseph Earley
/ April 13, 2010I am witnessing to a family member currently entrenched in to oes, and your post is a excellent resource that I will point her to.
harryagaylord
/ April 13, 2010That’s great, Joseph. I’ll be praying that the Lord will give you the wisdom and words to share with your family member. I’ll also be praying that your family member’s eyes will be opened to the truth that the Lord wishes to reveal to them.
OES member
/ June 3, 2010This couldn’t be further from the truth. You need to do a tad bit more research.
harryagaylord
/ June 3, 2010What do you mean by a “tad bit”? I cite sources connected to the OES. Their own people show just how off they are to the truth. I think the real problem is that you are probably afraid to accept the truth.
oes4life
/ June 9, 2010I agree with my siStar there is no real valid point in what you wrote. and correction Electa is in the bible. You say you took from those that are apart of the order and what proof do you have that they were. People all the time write things to gain something. This is not a cult nor demonic by any means. No one should ever bash or to tear down something based on what someone else says to be true. No one forces anyone to become apart of this Great organization. God gives us free will. And GOD IS THE ONLY GOD AND NO ONE CAN TAKE HIS PLACE. I thank you though for your blog, this shows how quick someone can base opinions based on hear say rather than personal knowledge. We as woman of the order do not by any means parade ourselves in any sexual manners. There is no need to be afraid to accept anything especially what you have wrote cause it is simply not true. Be blessed!
txstar357
/ February 22, 2011As a WM you are so far from the truth! And it’s people like you that give this wonderful organization a bad name with your implications of witchcraft and sexual orgies. Know your facts before you spread more lies.
OES4life
/ June 9, 2010I agree with my siStar. Your making assumptions based on what another individual has wrote not your own experience. how do you know what they said is valid. How do you know that they are a part of the order? Its not by any means nor do those symbols express anything sexual. We as woman of the order do not parade ourselves as anything sexual at anytime. God is God all by himself and no one can take that away. This is not a cult nor demonic by any means. You do need to research more and read your bible cause Electa is in there. To point out ignorance is accepting ignorance in one self.
harryagaylord
/ June 9, 2010Your belief that “Electa” is in the Bible shows how valid my points are. There is no one named Electa in the Bible. Rob Morris made this name up for the woman who had a church in her home in John’s letter. She was never named so we have no idea what her name was. And he made the name up to put a Christian face on one of his pagan goddesses.
If you took a look at the Masonic publications I listed, you would know that what is written here about OES is true. The reason such organizations like OES and their brothers the Freemasons can so easily dupe people like you into following them is because you are too trusting that what people tell you is true based on their outward appearances. As the old cliche goes “looks are deceiving” and this holds true for OES & Freemasons.
As it says in Proverbs, “the ways of a man are always right in his own eyes.” That’s why we need God to give us a spiritual wake-up call to his truth. And by God, I mean Jehovah, the Lord Jesus Christ, who created the Heavens & Earth. Not the god, Lucifer, the true god behind the OES & Freemasons to whom you (knowingly or unknowingly) are referring to.
A mason “Short Talk Bulletin” called “Symbolism” that was reprinted in 1982 states “It may be asserted in the broadest terms that the Freemason who knows nothing of our symbolism knows little of Freemasonry. He may be able to repeat every line of the ritual without an error, yet, if he does not understand the meaning of the ceremonies, the signs, the words, the emblems and figures, he is a Masonic ignoramus.” And Albert Pike, the famous freemason of the 19th century who wrote their rituals and had great influence over the OES also, said “It was never intended that the mass of Masons should know the meaning of the Blue Degrees (the neophyte degrees), and no pains were spared to conceal their meaning.” [as quoted by Mason J.D. Buck in “The Lost Word Found in the Great Work”, 1913, p. 14-15.
So maybe you should dig deeper into the hidden truths behind the devilish, corrupt, “New World Order” organization you’ve joined.
OESlight
/ March 3, 2012Electa is not in the Bible! The elect lady and children are the church! It’s. Not a woman.
ex-devil's advocate
/ September 19, 2010All of it is true, oes having sex with masonic, serving baphomet, yeah i saw it with my own eyes it even cost me my engagement. anything else i need to add?
Kay
/ July 10, 2011you are so wrong; in masonic life it’s forbidden to have relations with anyone not your wife.
ex-devil's advocate
/ September 19, 2010I went to the lodge after i was informed about what went on in there and caught my fiance’ & her masonic brother having intercourse in what was supposed to be the lodge sacred room.
Allison
/ September 20, 2010Your eyes are opened now and your heart can be free.
Choose to serve Christ in truth and love and be happy you found out and were spared the fiery pit.
harryagaylord
/ September 20, 2010Amen Allison. And “ex-devil’s advocate,” although what your fiance did hurt you a lot, it was a blessing in disguise that helped reveal your ex-fiance’s true spirit before you made the huge mistake of marrying her. It was God’s way of looking out for your best interests, although it was hurtful. You’ll be in my prayers.
no name
/ November 28, 2010i would like to say that if you caught her having sex at the lodge with a mason. then that means she has been having sex with him all along. it doesn’t matter if he was a mason or not. she found somebody that gave her a little pleasure, that will send her to hell. don’t blame everything on oes or mason because of something that one of them might have done.
txstar357
/ February 22, 2011MAYBE your fiance’ was just a freak!!!!! So when religious officials (Pastor, Rev, ect) gets caught with another women or sometimes boys outside their marriages; have no Masonic affliation. Who do you blame then? You blame THAT person and their moral character.
Karen
/ September 20, 2010You guys are way too funny! Are you baptist or something?
harryagaylord
/ September 20, 2010When it comes to spiritual matters such as these, it’s hardly funny. Especially when one considers that it’s a matter of choosing heaven or hell, spiritual life or spiritual death, and God or Satan. It’s unnecessary to be a baptist to discern that truth. It’s about knowing the Lord Jesus Christ. I have no affiliation with a denomination.
boltboy
/ October 1, 2010harryagaylord i read everything on this page and this is like really interesting stuff that u posted i like what u have found and shared it with us and sister girls things watever u want me to call u i just wanna ask u… r u with the oes cuz it seems to me that ur deffending them alot… ex-devils advocate i would really love to hear more of ur story because for the pst month i have been doin research on masonry and all this weird stuff and u just look like u have been into the stuff once and i just wanna c if i have been lookin something that is not a lie or anything its just the people that i told them about this stuff they never believe me and ud like help me alot ty and harryagaylord thank you for actually taking your time and posting this stuff
ex-devil's advocate
/ October 19, 2010boltboy: i dont have a reason to lie, but it’s funny how they always try to use GOD in front of the stuff they do, GOD dnt tell my ex or the dude to !$%^ at an alter they did it to stay in the order, so since the order was so important to her, I slept w/3 of her sisters that’s in the same order as she is in, the best part was one of the chicks was ole dude’s wife… I’m going to get a lodge started up…lol
harryagaylord
/ October 19, 2010advocate,
you call yourself “ex-devil’s advocate” but your actions & mentality are right in line with what pleases the devil. You’re understandably angry with what happened between you and your ex, but two wrongs don’t make a right. Fornication and adultery will get you nowhere. I would even venture to guess that your life is just as empty now as when you exacted your revenge. Instead of making light of your sin, I would urge you to repent, turn away from your sin and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ who died for your sins. It is only then that you will find the peace that has eluded you in this whole situation. Then after surrendering to the Lord Jesus, the only one who can cleanse you spiritually from all your sin, try forgiving those who wronged you and apologize to those you wronged. It’s a much better and more satisfying way to live your life.
David.ex.mason
/ December 8, 2010Wow, Harry, this is definitely a good post and a very informative read.
I was a very active mason in the blue lodge about seven years ago when my eyes were finally opened to the Truth. I received a great conviction of my sin by the Holy Spirit. I was somewhat like the oes sisters that previously posted….you coundn’t tell me any wrong thing about masonry…and I didn’t want to hear it. One day at the lodge after one of our weekly meetings, just as always we stood around talking. Well, I was informed and invited by another 33 degree brother(shriner) from another lodge to a weekend party….a 2-day pajama party that I might add. I won’t get graphic, but you could imagine what a pajama party with both men and women, and how it would turn out. I was still married at the time and my wife wasn’t invited and to top it off I was to tell her that I was to attend a district lodge meeting in another city, so I would be gone for the weekend.
This troubled my Spirit badly and I when I got home I told my wife what I was just invited to by the brethren. To make a long story short……..I started doing research about masonry…..research that I have never attempted to do before. GOD (the Father of my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ) revealed so much to me in my search for Truth. I walked away from masonry…God has forgiven me…and I have been trying to inform every mason that I know about the Truth.
Some of the research that I found includes:
* The all seeing eye, whom masonry teaches is god, is actually the god “Horus”. So, when praying inside the lodge during a meeting, this is just one of the pagan gods that is prayed to.
* The cresent moon of the shriner is the symbol of Isis, the Mother of the Gods, that also ruled magic.
* Freemasonry teaches that there is one God and men of all religions worship that one God using a variety of different names. In a Masonic Lodge, all join in corporate prayer to the Great Architect of the Universe, (GAOTU). This means all gods are prayed to, mostly pagan.
There is so much more, but not enough blog space for it to fit. I aplogize for this post being so long.
Check out this site http://www.emfj.com . There is good info on this site. Take care all and may God bless you.
harryagaylord
/ December 8, 2010David, this is a wonderful testimony of God’s love and how he can reach us no matter where we are. It never ceases to amaze me that even in our rebellious moments, God is so faithful to us and stands ready to draw us back to him. Thanks for sharing your story.
OESlight
/ March 3, 2012How long had you been a Mason? Prince hall? International? It makes a difference. Revisions have been made. I’ve heard of stuff like that going on wiimth some. If you walked into a Mason lodge and she was in there….well, that was the first “no “!
dleaven
/ December 8, 2010Harry, I’ve got a question not related to the current topic that my wife wants me to ask you. It pertains to the symbolism used by fraternities and sororities. Are these symbols derivatives of ancient Egyptian pagan gods?
harryagaylord
/ December 9, 2010David, that’s a good question. I don’t think I’m educated enough on this subject to answer it. I’ve never been part of any Greek secret society and the people I’ve known who are part of it are, of course, unwilling to share much outside of the charity work they do to make themselves look legit. But based on the fact they’re secret societies, that they haze young people who want to join them, and the sexual looseness that seems to go on–all of these raise a red flag to me. Could you imagine true followers of Christ hazing people who want to come to Christ? Or playing mind games to make them look like they’re not worth anything until their initiation period is done, then treating them like royalty? Or encouraging members to sleep around?
Since Greek societies are based on what was done in ancient Greece (from the rumors I’ve heard), and Greek society was full of pagan practices, this has always given me the desire to avoid them.
OESlight
/ March 3, 2012A lot of them are.
Allison
/ December 9, 2010God bless you David, and may you be strong in your efforts to educate other masons.
God is so good to us when we choose to hear him!
NayStar
/ January 21, 2011@ ex-devil’s advocate….sorry to tell you, but your former fiance was just loose. Not because she was a Star. And @ david.ex.mason and all the naysayers…..A LOT of people join this order for the social aspect and to meet men and women. Perhaps you just had people in your lodge that wanted to freak off. And maybe you should question what attracted you to them…..so you don’t make that mistake again. And @ gaylord- you are very disrespectful for sharing what you believe to be secrets of the order. You don’t have to agree, but why tear down what other people appreciate. OES and Freemasonry are NOT religions. And never were. There are some things about the organization that may have evolved over time…but being a woman, and not a Mason I don’t know. And If I did I wouldn’t tell….Especially you gaylord!! You think you know but you have no idea. These organizations are also responsible for giving people family, friends, purpose, and avenues to become better people. I often wonder about you folks who hear from God to avoid or leave the order. Have you heard from God before that instruction. How do YOU recognize the voice of God. What else has God told you? Does God also tell you when he’s pleased with you? Or is it always fire and brimstone……I wonder….
harryagaylord
/ January 21, 2011Your feeling that I’m being disrespectful is your opinion and you’re entitled to it. Nevertheless, what I’ve shared here is taken from Freemasonry sources. I list them at the end of my post so you can verify what I’ve said by consulting the materials your own people have written. As a Christian who wants to see souls set free from bondage to sin, it is necessary to expose the lies that are taught in this world even if other people appreciate the lies they believe in.
You are mistaken in your opinion that OES & Freemasonry aren’t religions. The people who founded them and who have promoted them through the centuries admit they are religions. Again, you can check my sources. You may give credit to such organizations for providing some benefits like friends, family, etc., but that’s not ultimately how things should be judged in the spiritual realm since cults can provide everything you mentioned. But you claim it makes people better. Maybe by human standards, but when one compares making people better based on God’s standards, OES doesn’t really make people better. It just makes them take their eyes away from what they really need–to realize they need Jesus Christ to save them from their sins so they can establish a true relationship with Jehovah, their Creator.
I’m glad you stopped by to read what has been written and now you know the truth–that you are a sinner in need of God’s salvation which can only come through Jesus Christ. You are now responsible for what you know even if you have rejected it now. I pray that the Lord will weigh on your conscience and that all of this will bug you enough to the point where you will no longer be able to deny this truth. I pray in the name of Jesus of Nazareth that your heart will be softened to the truth that the God who created you cared enough to cause this information to cross your path so you can be saved and experience his love in your life.
David
/ January 25, 2011@ NayStar…One of the reasons why I joined the brotherhood is because of the “social aspect” of meeting new people and those who were of status quo. Now, what attracted me to the craft is what I saw from the outside looking in. For example, on the holidays Thanksgiving and Christmas the brethren gave away food to those who were in need; formed teams to go out and mow the lawns of the elderly; showed up at schools and churches looking like examples of strong, unified men…..etc….
The freaky stuff that you mentioned wasn’t exposed to me until I got further in the higher degrees.
To answer your question about hearing from GOD:
Here are some common ways God talks to us:
•His Word
In order to actually “hear” from God, we have to know some things about God’s character. We have to develop an understanding of who God is, and the way He does things. Fortunately for us, all that information is available in the Bible. The Book goes into a lot of detail about how you can expect God to react, what kinds of expectations He has for us, and most specifically, how He expects us to treat other people.
•Other People
Many times God will use other people to try to get through to us. It’s possible for God to use anyone at any time, but I find more messages coming from people who are practicing Christianity than non-practicing ones.
•Our Circumstances
Sometimes the only way God can teach us something is to allow circumstances in our life to lead us to and through the very thing we need to discover.
•The Still Small Voice
Most of the time God, uses a tiny voice inside us to let us know when we’re not on the right path. Some people call it “the voice of peace.” Whenever we’re contemplating something and we don’t have peace about it, it’s a very good indication to stop and carefully look at the options. There’s a reason you don’t feel peace about it. This is what I experienced when I was involved in mansonry.
•The Actual Voice
Sometimes we’re able to “hear” something in our spirit that sounds to us like an actual audible voice. Or all of a sudden, you just know you heard something. Pay attention to those occasions because it is very likely God trying to tell you something.
“To know God is to love Him”…….This passage of Scripture is aligned with Satan’s unending effort to hide the truth about God’s character of infinite love and justice. We must ask God to give us the wisdom to interpret and the knowledge to understand His Word so that we might investigate the various errors and assumptions Satan has used to hide God’s truth and bind the minds of people in superstition, error and tradition.
I pray that all who are against the truth when it’s brought forth whether it be by voice or via this blog, should not get upset at the messenger. This is one of satan’s crafty schemes…to keep them from believing or even wanting to hear the truth. This is not my saying, but it’s said in God’s Word. So, if anyone who rejects the truth, don’t get mad at me….take it up with God.
Check out this interesting article I came across… http://www.chick.com/bc/1999/masonrysgod.asp
God bless!
txstar357
/ February 22, 2011@David I’m in these “upper houses” that you speak of and I can tell you that what people do behind close doors it what they want to do and it has nothing to do with the order. I’m sure there are folks in the chruch lying to their spouses about going to save souls when they are really making new sins in the motel. You just got caught up with the wrong type of people in the Masonic family.
David
/ January 25, 2011Two more interesting links:
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/pdf/gllink.pdf
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/gllink.htm
harryagaylord
/ January 25, 2011Thanks for your response, David, to NayStar the naysayer to God’s truth. The links are great.
dleaven
/ February 23, 2011@ txstar357….So, are you saying that what the Spirit of God (Father of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ) revealed to me about this pagan practicing organization is wrong? If you and anyone else are calling God wrong, then you may need to examine yourself.
God bless you….
you're amoron
/ October 2, 2011This author is an idiot. Typical jesus freak.
Can you be anymore bias and ignorant? F*!#$?> moron.
you're amoron
/ October 2, 2011If you love jesus, you’re usually an ahole believing eveyone else is worshipping, the devil. There is no The Devil and quite often, there is no worshipping.
you're amoron
/ October 2, 2011Christianity is fear and hate. You make it so.
Allison
/ October 3, 2011I had previously in life experienced fear and hate.
Then the Holy Spirit within in me spoke and I listened once more.
Christianity is Love and Peace.
harryagaylord
/ October 3, 2011Amen. The previous commenter was convicted by the truth and lashed out against it when their conscience was pricked. Hopefully, they will be convicted to the point of realizing their need for Christ’s salvation.
micah
/ October 18, 2011Ok I had a ? Why is it that when me & my wife have an argument her OES sisters butt in our marital issues? I have already warned them about getting involved in issues that do not have anything to do with them. I’m trying my best to keep my cool but its gonna come to the point where I’m to going expose their a#! and secrets.
harryagaylord
/ October 18, 2011My advice would be that if you don’t know Jesus as your Lord, confess your sins to him, apologize to him for your sins, and accept that he died for your sins and rose from the dead. This should probably be your first priority. Then start reading the Bible to find out more about Jesus Christ and why it was necessary for him to come to Earth. As you get to know God better, and find an encouraging group of Bible-believing Christians to worship God with, you will find that your arguments with your wife will diminish over time because God will give you a new truthful perspective on what your attitude should be in these situations.
Women butting into the marital affairs of their friends is not isolated to the OES. But in the case of the OES, they tend to have major control issues because their ultimate goal is to rule the world with their Masonic brothers. This leads them to seek as much control as possible in their communities at all levels–whether local, state, or nationally and in private as well as public organizations. When you get to know Jesus Christ personally, his Holy Spirit dwelling in you gives you the power and wisdom to place your household under his control by fending off the spirits that are driving your wife’s OES sisters in their attempts to control your house. Jesus is the one who can deliver your wife from being influenced by the OES mentality and the evil spirits behind the OES. You’ll have to pray to God for yourself, for your wife, and for her OES sisters.
Ash
/ December 30, 2011Being that I am an Eastern Star your blog and info is so untrue. Its ppl like you who give organizations like ours a bad name. Personally I say ask one before spreading info u know nothing about. We r probably the best organizations out here. You need to do more research Cause u suck.
harryagaylord
/ December 30, 2011Since I have no part of your organization, I’m not the one giving OES a bad name. It’s the practices of the OES that give them a bad name. Just as a person doesn’t have to become a witch to know witchcraft is wrong or a person doesn’t have to kill an innocent person to know murder is wrong, it’s not necessary to become a member of OES to know that it’s wrong. You really have no grounds to argue against the info I’ve presented because I list and quote OES publications that prove how evil OES is. But I just shot up a prayer to God for you that you will see the errors of OES and you will embrace God’s light instead of the darkness of Freemasonry. I love you with the love of the Lord Jesus Christ.
yuade wilson
/ January 30, 2012WE ALLL ARE FREE TO BELEIVE WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT. MY LIFE HAS FALING IN PLACE. ALL THANKS TO OES…. WE ALL SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO BEING APART IF THIS BEAUTIFUL ORDER.
harryagaylord
/ January 30, 2012Anything that secretly promotes submission to Satan is hardly beautiful. You are indeed free to believe as you wish, but you can’t say you were never warned about going down the wrong spiritual path.
Sonja Gentry
/ April 24, 2012I am a christian and a Star! I do not server two masters only one my lord and savior Jesus Christ. So in saying that it also says in Luke 6:42 how can you say to your brother ” brother let me take the speck out of your eye” when you fail to see the plank in your own eye. If you believe what you wrote then pray but attacking a person is not the way to go nor is it christian behavior. It also says to speak from a position of love if you are telling yoour brother/sister guidance. It does not say judge. I have never seen anyone in the chapter engage in behavior that is sexual in any nature and i will tell you that human behavior is what it is and people in the church participate in actions such as sleeping with another in church… Jesus knew these actions and he dies for all of our sins and whether i am a christian or not I am not ever going to do anything to earn that salvation he gave it to me out of his love for me. Now i am called to see the light of his word, his love for me and the behavior i am supposed to do as a christian through the word of christ. I have grown closer to my lord and savior JESUS through OES. I have studied the bible more, fellowshipped with other sisters in christ and grown. Understand regardless if you are a star or a christian or a whatever if you are going to do something you have to take responsilbility for the actions you take. IT IS NOT OES MASONRY or anything else which is making you choose to do whatever.. for the guys whose fiance slept with another man.. she was a HO so guess what that is her and not OES. call a spade a spade and make her take responsibility for her actions in hurting you. dont put it off on anything but. if your heart is bad its bad no matter what you belong to nor is it OES fault .
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 24, 2012All of us are truly responsible for our own actions, but that responsibility extends to what organizations we choose to be a part of. I noticed you claimed to be closer to Jesus through OES. That’s a sign to me you’re not being truthful. People get close to Jesus by listening to the Holy Spirit, to the Bible, & to other true believers, not through an ungodly organization. You can’t get good fruit from a corrupt evil tree.
earleyjk
/ January 31, 2012Yuade,
If you are a Christian (which probably led you to this site) you should read a book entitled “For God I Live: Quiet Deception of the Eastern Star” by Celeste Taylor. There is an eternity of difference between freedom in Christ and freedom to ‘believe whatever it is we want”
OESlight
/ March 1, 2012I have a relationship with God. His light will guide you through all you believe. As a member with all my knowledge I KNOW THE TRUTH HERE, THE ORDER AND ITS BEGINNING. NEVER FALL SHORT OF OBTAINING KNOWLEDGE EVEN IF YOU ARE MY siSTAR!
harryagaylord
/ March 1, 2012[I have a relationship with God]
If you do, it must not be a strong one since you’ve allowed yourself to be blinded enough to be part of Satan’s Social Club. Anyone can say they have a relationship with God, but we can discern who’s telling the truth by the fruit they bear. An evil tree cannot bear good fruit. Neither can a good tree bear evil fruit. That’s what the Lord Jesus said. The tree of OES is full of evil fruit exactly as I pointed out in my post above. And BTW, Jesus said “He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.” OES is much like the Pharisees when Jesus stated “…for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves,” [Matthew 23:15].
OESlight
/ March 1, 2012Another thing, siSTAR you should know things vary…..u know what I mean ….but that’s no different from any other group. God first his light will show you everything! So I see many have not grown within Bcuz if you did this wouldn’t offend you. For everything given to you has a starting point, find it!
harryagaylord
/ March 1, 2012“God first…”? Really? If you were truly concerned about putting God first, you would see that there is no such thing as OESlight, because OES is full of darkness. Isaiah spoke of people such as yourself, “Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept [doctrine] of men:” [Isaiah 29:13].
Paul also spoke about people like those in OES–”Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,” 2 Timothy 3:5-6.
OESlight
/ March 3, 2012You paid no attention to what I said. You biased the content. The name is two separate words. Just put together, look deeper into its presentation. It’s funny how ppl know so much about Christ but quote things yet forget what he himself taught. Where I’ve been and who I am is two different things.
OESlight
/ March 3, 2012We must be careful not to judge others. Man has no heaven nor hell to put anyone in.I relate to your verses and know them very well. I’m a spiritual Christian, not religious! Jesus never spoke of religion but of faith. Whatever you believe, if you do not have a spiritual relationship with Christ, there’s no relevancy. When you have this relationship, discernment will come….light shows darkness as darkness bears no light. Pay attention to what I’m saying. It’s not for anyone to judge why andwhat a person does. I believe you are misinterpreted what I was saying or else your comeback wouldn’t have been that way.
harryagaylord
/ March 3, 2012[It’s not for anyone to judge why andwhat a person does]
That’s not what Jesus taught us. The “judge not, lest ye be judged” that Jesus talked about was referring to judging someone unjustly by not basing your judgment on the genuine truth of scripture. In fact, by telling me it’s not for anyone to judge, that statement is a contradiction since you have made the personal judgment that people should not judge.
Jesus said “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” [John 7:24]. That means we need spiritual discernment about whether something is good or bad because looks can be deceiving. And OES is the perfect example of that. On the outside it looks like a decent, helpful, godly organization, but behind the scenes, its teachings & practices are pure idolatry.
Jesus also said in Matthew 7:15-20, which is the same chapter as the ever popular “judge not” verse, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” In order for someone to “know” and “beware” and determine good fruit from bad fruit, they have to make judgments based on God’s word about what a person does and why they’re doing it. So Jesus’ words show you are incorrect in your assumptions.
And you haven’t even followed your own advice on not judging anyone. When you joined OES, you made judgments about what they were doing and why they were doing it. That’s why you joined in the first place! But you made incorrect judgments, since their fruit is evil.
Allison
/ March 6, 2012This is a classic example of why Fraternal organizations lie to and manipulate the standard member, such as saying they are a “Christian” organization and all the other secrets and half truths they use on all but the few who rise to the very top. They love the confusion it causes and they can keep making money off the “unenlightened” members.
If you are a Christian, you simply cannot defend these organizations that hide who they are by doing public good works on the outside, and occult satanic worship with New World Order goals on the inside. We are called as Christians to point out evil disguised as good. If you do the research, its not hard to see the truth.
OESlight
/ March 6, 2012I want. To know when were you a member of oes to know what it teaches? Anddddd, aside from the fact that I could care less what anyone thinks, I can see why ppl are offended by your comments. It’s not what you have to say it’s how you come across. Don’t. Catholic pray in front of of statues? Hmmmm. I mean do what. You do, everyone gonna do what they do
Harry A. Gaylord
/ March 6, 2012[aside from the fact that I could care less what anyone thinks]
If that were true, I’m sure you wouldn’t be coming here time after time to leave comments.
[It’s not what you have to say it’s how you come across.]
Obviously, based on your comments, it is in fact what a person says because I presented facts from people who founded your organization and established your practices in OES. If you were concerned with how people come across, then you would know how to express yourself better. With your poor sentence structure and bad grammar in your comment, you really don’t represent your organization very well. In other words, you come across as if you lack education.
I’ll also add that you don’t have to be a member of OES to know it’s evil. Just like you don’t have to join a coven to know witchcraft is evil. You don’t have to join a terrorist cell to know it’s evil.
[Don’t. Catholic pray in front of of statues?]
Aside from your poor sentence structure here, you’ve misapplied Catholicism in your argument. In fact if you knew your history and the Bible, you would know Catholicism has more in common with your evil OES. Catholicism, like OES, claims to be Christian outwardly, but inwardly is full of wicked practices which are diametrically opposed to what the real Bible teaches. As a matter of fact, several of the men who’ve had a hand in Freemasonry and its rituals were Jesuits. So it appears you don’t even know the history of your own organization, yet you question how someone outside of OES can really know what it teaches.
Star Sierra-Carmona
/ March 12, 2012In accordance with strict grammatical usage these words of address may be translated in three ways:
“to an elect lady” (which as an address is too indefinite); or, both words being taken as proper names, “to Eklekte Kuria” (an improbable combination of two very rare names); or “to Eklekte, lady” = anglice, “to the lady (or `Madam’) Eklekte.”
The other translations which have been given–”to the elect lady” or “to the elect Kuria”–are open to objection on account of the omission of the article; but this violation of rule is perhaps not without parallel (compare 1 Peter 1:1).
The translation adopted will partly depend upon whether we regard the epistle as addressed to an individual or to a community. Dr. Rendel Harris believes this question to be settled by the discovery in the papyri of numerous instances which prove that kurios and kuria were used by ancient letter-writers as terms of familiar endearment, applicable to brother, sister, son, wife, or intimate friend of either sex (Expositor, March, 1901; see also Findlay, Fellowship in the Life Eternal, chapter iii). In the light of this suggestion we should naturally translate, “to my (dear) lady Eklekte.”
Grammatically, this is strongly supported by 1 Timothy 1:2 and 2 Timothy 1:2 (Timotheo gnesio …. agapeto …. tekno = “to Tim othy my true …. beloved …. child”); and the fact that the name Eklekte has not yet been discovered, though Eklektos has, offers no grave objection. This is the translation favored by Clement of Alexandria, who says of the epistle:
scripta vero est ad quandam Babyloniam nomine Electam, significat autem electionem ecclesiae sanctae (“It is written to a certain Babylonian, Electa by name; but it signifies the further election of the holy church”). It seems doubtful whether he means by the last clause that Electa is simply a personification of the church, or a real person whose name was derived from the Christian idea of election. Either way the rendering, “to the lady Electa,” is suitable, and upon the whole it seems the best. Eklekte is not an adjective but a noun. If a person is intended, it is “the lady Electa”; if a church, it is designated, not “the elect Lady,” but “the lady Elect.” The mention of “thy elect sister” in 2John 1:13 does not hinder either supposition.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ March 12, 2012Sierra, your comment is reflective of the common practice nowadays. People question, then twist the meaning of the words in the Bible so the Bible can say whatever they want it to say with their arguments that go something like, “A better translation for this word is…” or “the Greek or Hebrew really says …” or “the translators misunderstood and should have rendered this word as…” It’s all smoke & mirrors.
Paul warned us about this several times as follows:
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Ephesians 5:6 (among “these things” Paul mentioned were covetousness, idolatry, and fornication, all of which are part of OES)
2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. Colossians 2 (but the OES would have us believe all treasures of wisdom & knowledge are hid in their organization, thereby attempting to replace the Godhead with enticing words)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1 Timothy 6:4
Star Sierra-Carmona
/ March 12, 2012I would also like to lead you to the following website:
http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/the-chosen-lady-in-2-john/
There you will find a more comprehensive look at biblical references about Electa.
When dealing with topics such as these, it is lucrative to have done some post-graduate research about the Bible before making assumptions. Is all of your Biblical study independent Mr. Gaylord? Do you at least discuss your thoughts among peers or like-minded individuals? I think we can all agree that if you put 10 strangers in a room and they read the Bible, they may all have a completely different interpretation of what they have just read. It is important to have a guide, a learned Pastor or Biblical scholar to lead the way. Either that or fasting and prayer. If you want the real answer, just ask God to give it to you. Mr. Gaylord have you fasted and prayed about the finger you are pointing?
I know one thing: I LOVE my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I also know that he wouldn’t have blessed me the way that he has if he thought I was a member of the occult. HE KNOWS MY HEART.
I am not at all angry at you for assuming I am a member of the occult, or judging me without knowing me. I am sure you are a delightful man.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ March 12, 2012Sierra,
If you loved the Lord Jesus as you claim, why are you eating at the table of devils? “Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils,” 1 Corinthians 10:21. And which Jesus are you talking about? He warned us in Mark 13:22, “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”
And there’s a huge ding in your armor if you’re standing on what you’ve learned at the website you gave in the link. It is relying solely on what Clement of Alexandria said, not what the word of God actually says. Clement of Alexandria mixed Plato’s idolatrous philosophies with Christianity. Clement believed Christians could reach deification and assimilate into God. But that’s no surprise since that is what OES and other freemasonry organizations teach. It appears that you and the teachers you embrace are “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,” 2 Timothy 3:7.
Star Sierra-Carmona
/ March 12, 2012The scripture on false prophets could very well be describing you, couldn’t it?
I am not at all impressed by your endless knowledge of scripture. Lucifer himself knew the Bible. I am surprised how quickly you do reply with them though! Not even my Pastor who has an advanced degree and preaches 3x on Sunday can do it as fast as you can.
Why do you skate around my direct questions to you? I already know how you feel about the OES and freemasonry. It is abundantly clear, sir. This knowledge of yours…where does it come from? Have you fasted and prayed about your assumption? Have you asked THE ONE directly for your answer? Or are you relying on your own self-proclaimed insightful knowledge about the Bible and all the inner workings of Christianity? Notice, I am not calling you names. I am not claiming that I know who you are, when I most certainly do not.
Have you ever sinned? Do you sin now? Or are you so close to Jesus, you consider yourself His mirror image?
What of Christmas trees? Do you own one? A modern day Asherah pole! When do you keep the Sabbath day? I am just curious to know where you are in your faith.
EVERYONE’S ARMOR IS A LITTLE RUSTY. NO ONE IS PERFECT. NOT EVEN YOU, OLD WISE ONE!
And yes, I LOVE HIM. I have a fantastic relationship with Him…and it is proven by my “fruit”!
Harry A. Gaylord
/ March 13, 2012[The scripture on false prophets could very well be describing you, couldn’t it?]
No, it couldn’t because anyone who truly knows the Lord, knows that I have rightly divided the word of truth. The fact that you actually can’t tell speaks volumes about your lack of spiritual discernment and disregard for the truth.
[I am not at all impressed by your endless knowledge of scripture. Lucifer himself knew the Bible.]
My knowledge of scripture isn’t endless, but I know enough to know what’s truth and what’s a lie, which is why I wrote about OES. Lucifer may know the Bible, but he’s not living it nor does he quote it in the correct context to give the correct meaning, as I have by God’s grace. As a matter of fact, he twists it in much the same way you did in your comment about “Electa.” Satan was the first one who questioned God’s word in Genesis with his “yea, hath God said…?” and you have carried out his tradition by questioning what God’s word said about the elect lady in 2 John who is never named, in spite of what Clement of Alexandria said.
[Why do you skate around my direct questions to you?...Have you fasted and prayed about your assumption? Have you asked THE ONE directly for your answer? Or are you relying on your own self-proclaimed insightful knowledge about the Bible and all the inner workings of Christianity?]
My statements aren’t assumptions, they’re facts. And like I’ve said before, which people like you choose to ignore, I’ve given sources who are Freemasons for everything I’ve presented. Your questions are nothing more than the same tactic that the woman of Samaria used with Jesus in John 4. When Jesus confronted her about her sin, she tried to turn the conversation to an argument about “religion” and where or how one should worship. Jesus didn’t fall for it, neither am I. Again, you are showing your lack of spiritual discernment between what is true and what isn’t. You have exchanged the truth of God for Satan’s lies and are too blind to see it.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. That is how I know what spirit you are truly of, in comparison to what God’s word says. You have compared me to your pastor, when you should compare me to God’s word. You have promoted what the false teacher Clement of Alexandria said as opposed to what God’s word truly says. You have questioned God’s word when you should accept it like anyone who listens to the Holy Ghost would. That’s how I have judged you by your statements with the righteous judgment Jesus told us to use. And “THE ONE” you refer to in your statement is the same phrase that people in the new age movement use to refer to their new age messiah who is a false Christ. They often call him “THE ONE,” which brings me again to ask, which Christ are you following?
[What of Christmas trees? Do you own one?]
No, I don’t own a Christmas tree and I don’t celebrate the Catholic Christ-mass. If you took the time to do a search of my blog (upper right hand corner) of “Christmas”, you would know what I’ve said about the Christ-mass.
[I have a fantastic relationship with Him…and it is proven by my “fruit”!]
Jesus did actually say we can judge a tree by its fruit and the fact that you cling to doctrine that is opposed to his tells us a lot about your fruit and the true nature of your relationship with him.
Just-N-Formed
/ April 9, 2012Hello everyone, I just stumble across this blog. Why are you all continuing this dialog? There will always be those who join the craft whether the Masonic lodges or Eastern Star Courts that find some reason to get out. Remember everyone that join is due to their own free will and accords. There will be those to practice what the craft teaches (and it is not religion) and those that do not. This is similar to a person that believes in a Supreme Being and those are are an atheist, creation verses evolution.
Now for all you that joined those organization in one reason or another it was your choice (free will). Also, I am very sure you all joined fraternities or sororities in college; likewise took an oath or obligation as such. I did not read any displeasing information about that organization and they have secrets as well. If you are disappointed with one organization and want to expose it, then expose all of your other little (organizations) secrets. Otherwise, be at peace with your decision you made by removing yourself and let it be. My advice to all who are members of the Masonic lodges and OES Courts, stop adding fuel to his ridiculous fire and it will extinguish itself. Thank you.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 10, 2012[Why are you all continuing this dialog?]
They continue to dialog because their hearts are pricked by the truth that OES is of the devil, but they (like you) are kicking against the truth in an attempt to justify themselves in their sin. The “craft,” as you call it, is crafty like Satan and masquerades as light, like Satan does, but it is full of darkness. You really can’t bring a valid argument against the truth shared here since I quote from the liars who laid the foundation of your false religion and I compare your false religion to the undeniable truth that only Jehovah is light and in him is no darkness at all. People have continued the dialog because something within them is yearning to be free and they can’t help the curiosity of wanting to find out if they are truly on the right path, which sadly they aren’t if they cling to OES & Freemasonry.
[stop adding fuel to his ridiculous fire and it will extinguish itself]
God forbid. The fuel behind this fire is the Holy Spirit of Jehovah and this fire is a truth that can never be extinguished by any of your feeble man-made arguments.
Just-N-Formed
/ April 10, 2012As I stated I just came across this blog only a few days ago. At what point did I say I was a member? Because I know the terminology does not make me a member. You spoke about false religion. How many churches does it says Christ started? Just to paraphrase, upon this rock I build my (one) church; now how many different churches are in your city? Did Christ build/commission multiple churches? Far as I know you may be worshipping in a false church. So why put other organizations down just because YOU believe they are wrong? You can’t get the splinter out someone else eye, when there is plank in yours. Now sir/madam have a pleasant life and there will be no more fuel this fire from me.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 11, 2012Please spare me your smoke & mirrors arguments. In John 4, when Jesus confronted the sins of the Samaritan woman at the well, she did the same thing you’ve done trying to turn the conversation away from her sin to who had the right religion. If you really knew what truth is, you wouldn’t come here to defend the lies of OES. I haven’t hidden my beliefs since they’re just a click away at the top of the screen on this blog. If you can’t tell truth from falsehoods, that speaks volumes about your lack of spiritual discernment.
And your misapplication of the “upon this rock” scripture would be amusing if it weren’t so sad. Jesus established one universal church with some members in heaven while other members are on Earth. Jesus said “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations,” Matthew 24:14 and “… ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth,” Acts 1:8. So he has believers, and therefore churches, all over the world. But since you despise Christianity, I can see why you got it wrong.
I already have the plank removed from my eyes, which is how I can see clearly that any organization embracing Satan is against God, like the OES. So maybe the plank that needs removing is the plank that is blocking your vision.
Anonymos
/ April 14, 2012I am leaving OES. I was a star point, I’m very unhappy with my experience in OES. The most unfriendly, self-serving and arrogant women I have ever met. The OES states it is non-denominational yet touts its Christianity all over the place. They say “All you need is a belief in a higher power” but being Jewish I endured their insanity and felt like an outcast. I was afraid to tell anyone I am Jewish because all the opening brouhaha ceremonies were all about Christian this and salute the Christian flag and “Onward Christian Soldier” and “The Old Rugged Cross”. I just couldn’t take the LIES any longer nor the deceit. So off I go, forlorn and extremely disappointed. An extremely hurt and discarded Star Sister
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 14, 2012Although some groups may “tout” Christianity, it’s just for show or because they are ignorant of what OES is really about. They are like the Israelites God spoke to Isaiah about in Isaiah 29:13 “…this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men.” But your comment brings up two questions. Why would you be afraid to say that you’re Jewish? And why do displays of Christianity turn you off?
Anonymos
/ April 16, 2012Their displays of Christianity turn me off because they are NOT suppose to show allegiance to ANY religion…only a “Higher Being”. My Father was a past Master of his Lodge. I learned alot from him. I hesitate to say I am Jewish, (was raised Catholic by my father’s wishes and my Mother was Jewish which I later embraced also) because its always about Christianity at meetings…as I said, the Christian songs, the referances to the Bible, (I am an Old Testament Lady). I don;t even think they realize why the building is called a Masonic “TEMPLE”, a TEMPLE!!! I embrace ALL sects w/great respect and find it utterly and passionately to have someone share and speak to me about their beliefs whether Hindu, Muslum, Shammam, Pagan etc. So, having expounded I say amoung many other unintellagable and ignorant pontifications I have heard from SOME of them, (there are one or two whom I have come to truly love), making it KNOWN to everyone they are CHRISTIANS, (I was given a pamphlet written by a passed Grand Sister which outlined specifically the Christian behavior of OES members). The evening my initiation and prior to that when they come to your home, I was asked if I had a belief to a “Higher Power”. I was told that was all I needed to have among other things I am sure. I do not even think they realize that Masons were originally Jews. I have no problem with the members being Christian. My outrage is that they make it known, as in the pamphlet, We are a Christian organization”. Thats a no no among all the other hypocritical behavior contrary to the Oath I took the evening I was Initiated.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 16, 2012Thanks for explaining. However, your anger toward OES is for the wrong reasons. As I stated before, OES masquerades as if they’re Christian, but they aren’t. Your animosity toward Christianity is also for the wrong reasons. You said you were “an Old Testament Lady,” but did you know the prophecies about the Messiah in the Old Testament have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ? Therefore, at the risk of offending you even more, I would say that if you were to gain a true understanding of the scriptures, a true understanding of the Tanakh, you would see that there is none other name under heaven, besides the name of Jesus, given unto men by which we must be saved. This is the faith Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all had. As a matter of fact, Abraham & Jacob met Jesus (before he was born of Mary) face to face in the Old Testament.
Anonymos
/ April 16, 2012I’m not really AFRAID of saying I am Jewish, I meant that in a way of shunning me. This concern of mine happened about 4 months ago then I realized recently I needed to go.
Anonymos
/ April 17, 2012I do not have anger toward The OES. I have grave disappointment in them for their “Masqierade”. I only know of Yewah-Elohem and the Tree O Life. I have heard that “Jesus” is in the Old Testament, however I am a Gnostic/Kabbalist. The OES is just another disappointment to a seeker with passion for the “Truth”. So, to me they have turned out to be no better than “Organized Religion”. Another word I have no respect for. Here is a 10,000 year old truth you may consider pondering:
“When the Soul is elevated above itself in mystical contemplation by Union with intellect (Spirit) it becomes identified with the Pure Thougths or Words of God, where NOTHING mortal can approach and no sound is to be heard, for all processes or temporal activities are transcended, and the Soul abides serene in its immaculate simplicity before the presence of the Silent One”.
This is my “Frustration” with OES not “Anger”. Dont “Tout” yourself and praise your organization for “Higher” teaching and in actuality be a snake in the grass. One final offering to you from the same ancient teachings:
“That ‘Truth’ is at the bottom of a well, is, with some people a sufficient justification for allowing it to remain there”. Perhaps OES might consider this.
Anonymos
/ April 17, 2012You have not offended me in the least. Your verbiage is quite refreshing in that, you speak with a true and honest and educated offering of which I respect because it is all I am seeking between all people. My frustration has always been with such sayings as, “One cannot ever discuss religion or politics”. To me that is a great wall we put upon one another as I believe, that we need to be abe to “discuss” and speak our mind with one another no matter what. Although to you this may seem ‘idealistic’ it is in essence the thing I strive for with each person I meet. So, thank you for being what I had so naievly thought I would share and receive from OES. My “animosity” is in truth something I am working on to dismiss from myself as it is a negative force. However, it is with the Church and organized religion, there is that word again, ‘religion’. In reverse, make no mistake, I embrace the “Teachings” of Christ because He was Jewish and taught Judaism not Christianity. Constantine started this after the crucifixtion. Martin Luther explained to him that we do not a ‘Man” or an organized group of self appointed Higher Ups. Hence Martin Luther left, and we saw the Lutherins. We Historically also have the Essenes, another group who existed outside ‘organized religion’ and achieved greatness among God. So, to me Jesus was a Prophet…one who also achieved greatness . OES who ‘touts’ Jesus might realize a beginning would be to recognize that He was a Jew and consider acting in His true Teachings, “That we love one another”.
Allison
/ April 17, 2012Anonymous , If you are a Kabbalist, then in fact your views are right on par with Masonic views.
The lower local levels may tout Christianity, but they are doing so while using occult practices just the same. I had a lightbulb moment when my Mom asked me to participate in a Women of the Moose ceremony in which she was being initiated into a higher seat. We were in a large circle, we walked five points, while a little bell was rung I forget what other ritualistic things were done. I realized later we were walking the shape of the pentagram. My Mom was a Christian also, but that ceremony was not from God. The Bible also warns us about Jews who stay in their old occult pagan ways, and promises to deal with those who call themselves Jews but are not. Revelation 2:9 “I know thy works and tribulation, and poverty,(but thou art rich)and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan”. I don’t want to offend, but these are the Kabbalists and Zionists who are descendants of the Khazarian Empire Jews who persecuted Christ. The ones who still practice in the occult and the deceptions of Satan. Also, the Christian Church was formed well before Constantine mixed in pagan beliefs to control people. What would you call the first Jews who were baptized in the name of Jesus before the crucifixion? These are the ones who did believe the Messiah had arrived, they rejoiced, did not reject him, and turned from their pagan ways. All roads do not lead to salvation and eternal life with God. A prophet would not have been resurrected after being witnessed as dead, then witnessed as alive in the flesh, and while still bearing the marks upon his body, showed himself three separate times to his deciples in a period of days, ate with his deciples, performed miracles which were witnessed, and then ascended into Heaven. Jesus Christ is the only way to be forgiven of sin and receive The Lords Holy Grace.
Anonymos
/ April 17, 2012If Christ is the only way to His Father then what shall we say to the Buddhists, Hindu, Seik, etc., Precisely my agruement with Christian thinking. I am not the Kabbilist of the myth of Satanic Kabbalist who run around drawing circles an bay at the moon. The Jewel of Judaism is the Kabbala, a sacred and blessed set of living practiced by Jesus Christ Himself, for those teachings of knowledge is what led the Elders to recognize Him as the Messiah and embraced Him by taking Him into further lessons of the Kabbala.
Some cannot account for these precious years when He we are led to believe He “went away to become a carpenter” Absurd! It was the Teachings of Christ that I sought and broke away from being a Lamb led to the slaughter by organized religion. I am made in Gog’s image not that of any Church. Can I walk on water, no. Can I change water into wine, no. But through the knowledge of the Essenes and other beautiful Jewish sects who LIVED Kabbala, I no longer ‘believe’, I know. I know through ‘experience’, minus dogma, minus dancing around and drawing circles and all that Satanic goolish stuff. Which by the way does work if one chooses immediate gradification and one wants to sell there souls.
I prefer to go the way of the Kabbalistic Christ as the teachings of Judaism insist upon it. Jesus did not die on the cross. Those are New Testament hundred year old rantings of gossip. I totally respect and your “beliefs”. Perhaps you may want to give some time to the Nag Hammadi Library which includes, “The Gospel of Mary” and so many more Gospels that the church fought and lost to surpress from the the Christians at Large. Elaine Pagels a Harrington Spears professor at Princeton University was asked many years ago to come and join scholars from around the world to help interpret these lost Gospels which are Copticand which were finally released in 1971 after being discovered in Egypt at an old momastery sight when the church was committing another Genicide of people who had “knowledge” they didn’t want YOU to know about.
“The Gnostic Gospels” is an award winning text by Pagels among four more books on the truth about what really may have happened. If I “Believed” Jesus is the only way to salvation then all my sisters of other sects are really in trouble. To me He is Light, a Way, another wat to the road we all travel. I am a seeker of truth, not fantasy. I embrace what works for you and I am passionate to know it does. For me, I must go with TRUE teachings He was taught by His elders who made Him the Man He was.
The Jews whom you say killed Him were political mice, we see them in all religions. Don’t let yourself get caught up in Mel Gibson’s jargon. I wish you universal Love and ‘knowledge of self’ and embrace your comments as a gift to me.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 17, 2012Anonymous, you have let your true colors shine through. It has now become clear that you were drawn to my site not because you wanted to complain about OES, but really wanted to work in your false doctrines. You are truly like the people Paul warns us of in Galatians 2:4 “who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage” to the false doctrines you cling to. Jesus Christ is the only way, the only truth, the only life, and no man comes to the Father, Jehovah, but by him. So what we say to the Buddhists, Hindu, & all other religions including yours is that “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” [John 3:36]. A day of judgment is coming for all men, and those like you who do not believe in the true Christ, which is the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament, will spend eternity in hell.
ALL kabbala is of the devil. Your claim that your kabbala isn’t is much like those in white witchcraft (Wicca) claiming they aren’t like black witchcraft that worships Satan. All of them are the doctrines of devils. Spiritually speaking, the spirit behind your kabbala is the same spirit behind all the other kabbalas. You all bow down to the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air, called Satan. I have covered the lies taught by Hinduism, the lies taught by Buddhism, and lies of other religions. You claim there is no absolute truth and that truth is relative with your statement “embrace what works for you,” but those are faulty & contradictory ideas. If there is no absolute truth, then that means the idea of “no absolute truth” cannot be true itself because it claims to be absolutely true. It breaks the law of non-contradiction.
The Bible has proven to be completely true scientifically, historically, and spiritually. How do we know it’s true spiritually? By the lives that have truly been changed and by the prophecies it predicted centuries ago that have been fulfilled. This tells us these people truly heard from God. Your Essenes & Gnostic gospels & the gospel of Mary don’t even come close to matching the truth of the Bible. Your Kabbalistic Christ is a false Christ. You deny Jesus died on the cross, but there are 10 reliable ancient historical writers from the late 1st century to early 2nd century that prove that he did indeed die on the cross. Those ancient historical non-Biblical documents even prove that the facts stated in the New Testament are completely true, which prove the gospels & the book of Acts were accurate eyewitness testimony.
You claim to know things minus any dogma, but the Gnostic gospels & the Essenes ARE dogma. You even admit they’re dogma by stressing they are “TRUE teachings.” Dogma is “a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.” So you have contradicted yourself. People who contradict themselves are double minded and “a double minded man is unstable in all his ways,” [James 1:8]. That means what you say cannot be relied upon as truth. You are deceived and are trying to deceive others with your false teachings.
So cling to your “experiences” all you want. I’ll take my FAITH in the true Jesus Christ which is backed up by the FACTS of history, science, and spirituality as found in both the Old Testament & New Testament.
Anonymos
/ April 18, 2012I do not question your Faith. I am not arguing with you. In 1945 in Egypt , 50 codices were found. I spoke about them above. Again I say to you, Jesus was Jewish. He was taught by His elders from “The Jewel of Judaism”, The Kabbalistic “ancient” teachings which He Mastered and became one of our most profound and perfect Human Beings. I do not have “beliefs’. Nor do I have Blind Faith. I ‘know’ through my committment to ‘knowing self’ and there by getting closer to God. Again I make an example of all my brothers and Sisters in this world, whether Christian or not, that their practices of getting close to God are respected by me and find those of other practices on the road to knowing self will all get there by practicing the teachings of a Kabbalistic Christ. You are arguing with yourself. The facts the Lost Gospels found in 1945, (The Nag Hammadi Library), dispell your “Beliefs”. They are Coptic which is “Law”. They are true penned words of Jesus that the Church tried to surpress and failed. We now know so much more about the Bible and it has been most helpful to those who needed much questions answered. Who are YOU to make such accusations upon me, “Judge not, lest ye be Judged”! What Kind of God is your God who would condemn true people of committment to their beliefs because they are not YOURS. YOU are the one I speak about above. The one of false tongue who condemns others for their ‘Different’ teachings’. History? It is your kind through History that has shed blood all over the place for NOT excepting Christ as their savior. The Incas, The Spanish Revolution. What right has anyone to force YOUR teachings down someone elses throat! I will pray for you my Brother that you may learn to accept ALL men and women in this world no matter what they practice to find God. For this is the very Essence of Jesus’ teachings. All are brothers. Also, you might try to re-educate your Christian “Beliefs” as “The Gnostic Gospels” are all about Jesus, The Doubting Thomas, Mary and more. You are in my prayers and I thank you for expressing your views.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 18, 2012The Jesus you’re talking about is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. I never said Jesus wasn’t Jewish. He wasn’t taught, nor did he teach the falsehoods of the Kabbala. It really doesn’t matter when the codices were found that you’re talking about since the New Testament is backed by over 5700 manuscripts that hold up what it says and that’s a whole lot more than the manuscripts backing your false gospels, and much more than the number of manuscripts about Julius Caesar, Plato, & Socrates. Whether a false gospel was found in 100 AD or in 1945, it’s still false.
You just returned to spew more of your worthless unclean vile dogma. All the evidence I provided in my previous comment to you is enough to put your false doctrines to shame several times over. You are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth because you’ve allowed Satan to block your spiritual vision. And when you return like you have to somehow defend your doctrines, you just inadvertently give more evidence of how contradictory & unlearned you are. Check your history because the religion you’re talking about that was spread by shedding blood wasn’t Christianity, it was Catholicism. Catholicism is much like your Kabbala. Kabbala claims to be Jewish when it has nothing to do with the laws of Moses. Catholicism claims to be Christianity but has nothing to do with the true Lord Jesus Christ. Kabbala has a false Jesus just like Catholicism does. It was the Vatican who sent soldiers out around the world to hold inquisitions to force people to bow down to the Pope. The true Bible has never taught that & true Christians have never done that because the New Testament clearly says “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Get your facts straight.
And your quip about “judge not, lest ye be judged” is so amusing & contradictory. You came here with comments of judgment against OES and how wrong they are, and you make a judgment against my beliefs and then you make the judgment that your beliefs are better, yet you tell me I shouldn’t judge after you’ve made judgments yourself. How hypocritical & contradictory! The fact you contradict yourself just shows you really don’t know which way is up. Professing yourself to be wise, you have shown yourself to be a fool. You are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. As I said history, science, & the spirituality of prophecies with their fulfillment all point to the fact that the Bible is true from Genesis to Revelation. Your Gnostic gospels & other false writings can’t boast of such a spotless record. Your path promises life but leads to death & gross darkness.
And don’t bother praying for me. Since the Bible says those who are not part of the faith of the true Lord Jesus Christ are “giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.” So I really don’t need someone like you praying for me when you have a huge plank in front of your eyes.
greg
/ April 18, 2012Excellent response Harry.
Anonymous, I would simply like to highlight one of the things that you said. “Jesus did not die on a cross.” While certainly Harry covered that in his response. May I please encourage you to investigate this deeply, for if you can see that most certainly Jesus did die on a “cross” then you may start to doubt the other false things you have come to believe. I could recommend hundreds of resources, but from reading your comments, I can see that you are a highly intelligent individual and can certainly locate and investigate this critical “fact” for yourself.
It is true that the entire Christian faith “rests” on the resurrection of Christ. The Apostle Paul said “If Christ be not risen then our faith is in vain.”
I wish you well.
Anonymos
/ April 18, 2012I wish you all well…especially you Harry. You are the person my Jesus told me needed the most peayer. I will pray for you in that your ignorance atests to what these 1,600 year old Gospels that were discovered teach us about “Those who will offend your Soul, if you let them”. …
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 18, 2012Incredible. You tell me not to judge & yet you’ve returned again with your own judgments. Not only that but you’re projecting. You call me ignorant when you’re the one guilty of ignorance. I’ve backed up everything I’ve said with links to where you can find pure, unadulterated FACTS to prove my points & yet you come back with your unfounded opinions without a shred of evidence proving any predicted and fulfilled prophecies from your false writings, without any historical facts from your false gospels, and without any scientific facts from your false gospels. But we’re just supposed to buy into what you’ve said on blind faith just because you’re the one who said it. Satan really has you hook, line, and sinker. I rebuke you & your false teachings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and pray you will see the true light before its too late.
BUDDAH
/ April 23, 2012I WOULD LOVE TO BECOME APART OF THE O.E.S MY GRANDFATHER AND UNCLES ARE MASONS.
Allison
/ April 25, 2012If Freemasonry and O.E.S. are so full of brotherhood and light, why does evil Hollywood in both the film industry and music industry force rising celebrities to join in order to advance entertainment careers? Why are they all masons? Buddah I would encourage you to try some real research into this evil organization, and the truth about what they represent. Or hey just throw up a triangle hand sign like Jay-Z and join and pick your master. We all are going to end up on the side of either God’s Holy Grace, or Satans deceit and Hell. If you really study all this from all the angles, you will see the truth emerge. If you read the Holy Bible, and begin to study whats really going on in this world, you will see how Gods word is meant to guide and protect us through all this deception coming at us in so many forms from every direction. ” Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world”. 1 John 4-1.
Anonymos
/ April 25, 2012No one in Hollywood forces ANYONE to Join the Masons nor OES. There are diverse beliefs, Mostly Jews, of course Ron L. Hubbard and more.
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 25, 2012Anonymos,
All non-Christian belief systems are intertwined. There are only two belief systems in existence–God-based or man-based. The spirit behind the man-based system is Satan and they all have at the core the questioning of God’s word that Satan started in the Garden of Eden, “yea, hath God said…?” [Genesis 3:1].
“16They provoked him [Jehovah] to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up…” [Deuteronomy 32:16-17] This is the heritage of all false belief systems. So in the entertainment industry you will find Kabbalistic Jews who are also Freemasons & OES. You will find Scientologists who are also Freemasons & OES. You will find artists accepting awards at awards shows who thank “Jesus” who are Freemasons & OES behind the scenes. There are Buddhists in Hollywood that are also Freemasons & OES. That’s how Satan and his godless followers work.
Since your heart is hardened against truth, I know you won’t accept this, but it’s fact.
Anonymous
/ April 30, 2012Harry a Gaylord Gay ? F ing nut!
Harry A. Gaylord
/ April 30, 2012Nope. I never have been nor will I ever be gay. I’m glad you stopped by to see a little of God’s good news. May God bless you to accept his truth. You’re in my prayers.