Science in the Bible Reveals the Accurate Science of the Bible

Christian ministry Compass International released today the 47-minute video below of a recent conference featuring creationist Russ Miller as one of their speakers. Russ Miller is founder of Creation, Evolution, & Science Ministries in Arizona. In this video Miller expounds on the scientific reliability of the Bible. He acknowledges that the Bible isn’t a science book, but points out that since God’s word is an account of the true history of the universe, by default it will contain true scientific principles. That makes real science the believers’ best friend when it comes to proving or testing it’s reliability. He then shares, in an enthusiastic manner, some of the scientific truths found in direct quotes from scripture, including some of the universal constants found in the Anthropic Principle that prove the fine tuning and intelligent design of our universe.

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  1. well, dear, you’ve made such a perfect circular argument in just your title alone “Science in the Bible Reveals the Accurate Science of the Bible”

    And Chrisitans love to cite Newton as one of their own. Funny how Sir Isaac Newton had no belief in the claims about a trinity. There are plenty of Christian scientists. That doesn’t make your god real.

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    1. @clubschadenfraud,

      I never said the number of Christian scientists means God is real. The truths found in the Bible show that he’s real. They are testable and provable in the real world just as the video points out. But of course you hate truth too much to watch it or believe it. The science in and of the Bible has pinpoint accuracy even if you tell yourself lies to deny it.

      It’s curious you attempt to use a Biblical principle to try to make your argument. God says in the Bible that people shouldn’t lie and here you are agreeing with that truth by implying I shouldn’t lie, even though you misapplied it since I’m not lying. And if the moral relativity of your atheism were true then why would you care what I say anyway?

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      1. oh my, Harry. Your meme says exactly that you are trying to claim that since there are Christians in the sciences this makes your nonsense true.

        The claims in the bible aren’t testable or provable in real world. But do show how you think they are. We see no evidence for the essential events in the bible, and therefore have no reason to assume some god exists.

        Yep, your god says you shouldn’t lie. amazing how many Christians do. People knew that lies were wrong long before your ignorant agrarians in the eastern Mediterranean. It is you who are agreeing with the ancient Sumerians, Indians, Chinese, Egyptians. Your religion cribs from them.

        Lies harm people dear. That’s why I care.

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      2. @clubschadenfraud,

        [The claims in the bible aren’t testable or provable in real world. But do show how you think they are. We see no evidence for the essential events in the bible, and therefore have no reason to assume some god exists.]

        This statement of yours proves you couldn’t care less about the scientific facts discussed in the video above. The video proves your opinion dead wrong. Atheists like you don’t care about facts since facts are inconvenient things to you. You care more about feelings, which is why you can believe in ridiculous statements denying the testability and provability of the true, historical accounts recorded in the Bible.

        Denying truth to embrace lies based on your feelings is also how you mistakenly drew the conclusion that what the Bible says came from Sumerians and other ancient cultures. You really don’t know history or science. If you did, you would know that the religious traditions of the Sumerians, Indians, Chinese, Egyptians, etc. have at least one thing in common. The gods in their mythologies all condoned lying, cheating, stealing, or other forms of evil for the sake of their selfish power. The Trinity in the Bible is the only God who condemns all forms of evil and requires pure justice where the truly guilty are punished and the truly innocent are rewarded.

        Another thing they have in common is that they think it’s ok to steal from other mythologies and to incorporate them as their own, allowing their religious texts to change words in order to change their doctrines to however they feel. Egyptians did it with their books of the dead. Hindus also teach that their scriptures aren’t static but can be changed to incorporate new doctrines. Buddhists do the same. The true Bible is the only text whose God requires that it remain untampered with, static forever.

        [Lies harm people dear. That’s why I care.]

        Spare me your empty virtue signaling as if you care about the harm that lies cause. If you cared, you wouldn’t be following your religion of atheism. The history of atheism is overflowing with lies, harm, and callousness. Atheists were the ones who started the French Revolution and shed innocent blood without giving people fair trials or due process. If they felt like a person wronged their cause, it was to the guillotine for them, post haste. Atheists gave us socialism/communism and hundreds of millions of innocent people slaughtered for the sake of selfish political power. Darwin’s atheist principles condoned racism and all its brutality.

        The Bolshevik atheists did worse to Russia than the czars ever thought to do. Atheists used communism to make China much worse than it ever was. And that atheist regime continues its human rights violations today. Atheists started both World Wars. An atheist assassinated John F. Kennedy. An atheist, Margaret Sanger, gave us the butchery of slaughtering babies in the womb and she even exchanged her eugenics ideas with her pen pal, Adolph Hitler. That’s not even scratching the surface of all the lies your fellow atheists have conjured up to carry out all their evil.

        Yet you want us to believe in people like you instead of the Bible? The Bible that tells us in Psalm 8:8 that there are “paths in the seas”, which were eventually discovered and mapped out by Matthew Maury in the 1840s. The Bible that tells us in Genesis 1 that the water on Earth preceded the sun’s existence, which was discovered in 2014. The Bible that tells us in Genesis 1 and Psalm 148:4 that there is water in outer space, above Earth’s atmospheric heaven, which was later found to be true thanks to telescopes and space vehicles launched into space. The Bible that tells us in Psalm 135:7 that water vapors ascend up all over the Earth to provide rain, an accurate account of the water cycle later discovered by scientists.

        So, you see, it isn’t the Bible that’s full of lies. It’s people like you who are. But you’ve allowed Satan to blind your eyes as you continue your path to hell.

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      3. As usual, Harry’s ignorance defeats him again. There are no scientific facts in his video. All it has are baseless claims. The bible speaks nothing about hygiene and bacteria. It claims that this god walks around the Israelite’s camp and Moses doesn’t want him stepping in poop. It’s the same nonsense as when the bible authors claim that a menstruating women makes things “unclean”. It’s superstitious nonsense, not medical.

        The video goes on to lie about “fine-tuning”, The earth’s distance to the sun varies by millions of miles. Poor theists find they must lie again. Tsk. And I particularly love when the theists whine that hypothesis are based on things not seen, when there is no god to be found. Again, we see theists who don’t understand physics attacking it and lying. How pathetic.

        Since I have my degree in Geology, the lies there are the best! Poor creationists, can’t show how limestone forms in a flood like they claim exists. They cannot show how salt deposits can form, or how we have dessication cracks and water droplet impresions between layers. They can’t show humans and dinos buried together. And, alas, they can’t show how mud folds nor how one gets distinct layers, sorted each within itself, can be made by a flood. They are simply liars, like Harry.

        I do love the picture with an anti-trinitarian, a Catholic, a likely Puritan and a Lutheran. A pitiful and false appeal to the fact that they were scientists and all some kind of Christian matters, sincen they all disagree with each other on the religion.

        Here are no historical accounts about the nonsense in the bible. What we have are stories and people who believe in the stories. Nothing else.

        I know that what the bible says was said long before in other cultures. I know the history and science well. Harry is ignorant of it, and depends on lies. Harry’s god condones lying and cheating and other forms of evil for its power. We have this god sending lying spirits, working with its archenemy, killing children, etc. Harry doesn’t like to have those parts of the bible mentioned. Harry’s religion stole from other mythologies, including ignoring what the OT says about the jewish messiah in order to invent one that doesn’t fit. Harry has no evidence of his lies at all. Alas, the bible is not untampered with at all. Perhaps Harry should be a Muslim if he needs a book that doesn’t seem to have been messed around with much.

        Aw, I do love when Harry is upset that I care about lies, when he asked me why I stood against his false claims. His argument is wonderfully circular, If I cared about lies I wouldn’t be an atheist but Harry can’t show he has any truth. He doesn’t even agree with his fellow Christians, like those guys shown above. No, atheists didn’t start the French Revolution. People tired of the lie of “divine right” started it. And I love the whine about “fair trials or due process”. Hmmm, let’s see, Harry’s god murdered Uzzah with no trial or due process; it murdered David’s son without either; it murders everyone that disagrees with it in the lunacy of Revelation, and per Paul it only allows some people to accept it and damns the rest for no actions of their own.

        Yep, millions were murdered for “selfish political power”, not because of atheism. Darwin was not an atheist, and it was later people who made “social Darwinism” a thing, not Darwin. Harry lies again in his ignorance.

        I love Harry’s apologism for the Czars of Russia. He is ignorant about Russian history too, which is not surprising. Stalin, Mao, etc were megalomaniacs and likely atheists. I am an atheist but not a megalomaniac. Harry is confused again. Hitler was a Catholic and then came up with his own religion. WWI was started by good Christians on all sides, who all thought some god gave them the right to be rulers. So, nope, atheists didn’t start both world wars.

        I do love the crocodile tears about John F. Kennedy. Harry hated him but is now whining about Lee Harvey Oswald, and we don’t know if he was an atheist or not., if he was he was also a lunatic. Happily, most atheists have no need to shoot people who disagree with them. Margaret Sanger was an atheist and she did more for women than any lie from a Christian did. She saved lives, so much for the lies of “pro-life” Christians who care nothing about lives but only about control. And Hitler and Sanger did not correspond as Harry lies, and Sanger said this “Sanger’s eugenics policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods, and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, as well as compulsory segregation or sterilization for the “profoundly retarded”.[119][120] Sanger wrote, “we [do not] believe that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding.”

        Again, Harry chooses to lie and ignore his own supposed god.

        The ancients already new about sea currents long before the bible was invented. The Polynesians, the ancient Egyptians, the Romans, the Indians, the Chinese all knew about this. The bible claims that there was magic liquid water in some “void”, that was split up by a dome into the water in the sky and the water on earth. Science shows that there is water molecules in space. Again, not the same at all. The earth doesn’t have a “heaven”, it has an atmosphere like a lot of planets. And stars aren’t little lights on a dome either. As usual, Harry picks and chooses what he wants to claim that the bible “really” means. The ancients also knew about the water cycle. Anyone can figure it out by just observation, no god needed.

        You’ve failed again, Harry. No one needs you or your god.

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      4. @clubschadefraud,

        So you’ve returned once again to spew out your lies. A typical atheist. The late atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair once told her two sons that it was okay to lie to get people on their side. I see you’re following that tradition. Anyone who watches the video I posted will see that Russ Miller discusses the well-known laws of thermodynamics and specifically mentions scientific facts, quotes scientists, and compares scientific facts to what the Bible says.

        You need to do more homework on Darwin. In The Autobiography of Charles Darwin, 1809–1882 (New York: W.W. Norton, 1958) edited by Nora Barlow, as Darwin progressed through his life, he came to this conclusion printed on p. 78 of the book, “The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic.” But he also expressed total disbelief in the Bible as recorded on p. 72 of Barlow’s book when he said, “I was very unwilling to give up my belief. . . . But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete.” More can be read about his descent into atheism at this link→ https://answersingenesis.org/charles-darwin/was-charles-darwin-a-christian/

        Furthermore, this big news story came out a few years ago when a collector bought Darwin’s personal letter where he admitted to being atheist→ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3243818/I-m-sorry-inform-not-believe-bible-Rare-letter-secretive-Charles-Darwin-confesses-atheist-set-sell-90-000-auction.html . It was reported in major news worldwide for anyone who was paying attention back then. So for you to come here, clubschadefraud, denying Darwin’s atheism just exposes how much of a liar you really are and goes to show how low atheists are willing to stoop to deceive people into believing their nonsense.

        You’re also lying about all the historical figures I mentioned with their socialist/communist bent. You know full well all of them were atheist. You’re just lying about them to distance yourself from them when you actually believe in socialism and communism yourself. And to defend murdering babies in the womb, denying the scientific, biological fact that their DNA proves them to be human individuals, reflects how callous you atheists are and how you conjure up any excuses to defend your bloodthirsty, murderous ways. You people are truly children of the devil.

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      5. Oh look, Harry has decided to bear false witness against me by calling me a fraud. Tsk.

        Of course, Harry, you don’t have a quote from O’Hare and I wouldn’t care if you had. Atheists share one thing in common: lack of believe in a god or gods.

        The video you posted does have facts in it and has a Christian lying about them. Unsurprisingly, you can’t even quote your own video to support your claims.

        I see I was wrong about Darwin. Nice to see he was indeed an atheist at last.

        So I was wrong once and Harry is still a liar.
        Of course, he can’t show that I was wrong about anything else. How do I know this, well he did show me wrong once, why not again with more evidence if he had it? 😀 Again, Harry wants to be a theocrat and he lies about science to try to convince people he is right. Hmm, if killing children for no fault of their own makes me a “child of the devil”, I guess Harry’s god is right there with me. I do love Harry’s subjective morality, nothing more than might equals right.

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      6. @clubschadefraud,

        [Again, Harry wants to be a theocrat and he lies about science to try to convince people he is right.]

        In your rush to dismiss anyone who loves God you missed the point. The overall point of this post and my replies is to show the reliability and accuracy of the Bible. Specifically, that God is far above man and is infallible in his knowledge. Also, that mankind needs the Lord and is prone to commit serious wickedness when they reject him.

        [Nice to see he was indeed an atheist at last.]

        Not only was Darwin atheist, he used it as an excuse to be racist. As a matter of fact he was the inspiration for the eugenics movement that Margaret Sanger, Hitler, and his Nazis were all involved in. Sanger used Darwin’s teachings to justify her original intent for abortion—to kill off all people who weren’t blue blood Europeans. So you think Darwin’s atheism is “nice to see”?? And you wonder why I called you a child of the devil.

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      7. Harry, Chrisitans all love different gods, that they invented in their own image.

        and still no evidence for Harry’s god. Darwin was no more a racist than anyone else at that time. Again, you lie about evolutionary theory.

        and it’s always fun to see a bigot like you whine about racism.

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      8. @clubschadefraud,

        If someone invents different gods in their own image then they aren’t Christian. If you knew the Bible as you falsely claim, you would know that.

        Trying to excuse racism on the basis of situational ethics still doesn’t excuse racism. Trying to excuse racism based on this type of ethics is itself racist. Attempting to project this obvious bigotry of yours onto me by calling me a bigot isn’t helping your argument either.

        Yet again you reveal the ignorance of your views. During Darwin’s lifetime he witnessed the abolition of slavery in England where he lived. He would also have been exposed to Frederick Douglass’s popular lectures in Ireland and England which drew massive crowds. Douglass, known for his oratorical eloquence and knowledge on an array of subjects, would have debunked Darwin’s views that non-whites were inferior in their intellect. Not only that, but a large number of Brits in Darwin’s day supported or were members of abolitionist societies. Darwin had no excuse to be the racist he was. If he had been as intelligent as he wanted others to think he was, he would have been like Lincoln, Wilberforce, the English Quakers, and a whole host of other white people who were famous activists fighting for the rights of blacks.

        Please spare me any of your nonsense about no evidence for God. You people don’t care about evidence, scientific or otherwise. If you can’t accept the scientific evidence that abortions murder innocent humans or if you people support the false idea that people can be transgender by ignoring biology or if you people ignore the fact atheists have shed the most innocent blood under their socialist regimes then it’s obvious you people have a problem with accepting facts in general so any evidence that even hints at God’s existence will be denied. You people refuse the facts for the sake of going all out for your sins, especially when it comes to killing people from the womb to the tomb.

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      9. Harry, you and every Christian invents your god in your image. You all claim you are Christian and that only your version is the right one. Jesus promises that every believer in him as personal savior will be able to miracles like him. Harry can’t. Every other Christian can’t. Hmmm.
        It’s hilarious for you, Harry, to try to excuse your bigotry. I don’t have to project at all, I just need to read your rants about critical race theory. Just like every other poor fellow who has found out he isn’t special.

        Christianity supports the idea that no slave should try for freedom “18 Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. 19 For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. 20 If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God’s approval. 21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you should follow in his steps.” 1 Peter 2. Or is this a lie in your bible, Harry? Some Christians have decided to ignore that part, as Christians decide to ignore so many inconvenient parts of the bible.
        Darwin was not a racist any more than anyone else, Harry, and it’s so sweet of you to lie to try to claim so with no evidence at all. Of course, Harry forgets that I can do research. The following is from Darwin’s diary “ As far as my testimony goes, every individual who has the glory of having exerted himself on the subject of slavery, may rely on it his labours are exerted against miseries perhaps even greater than he imagines.” (Mar 12)” and

        ““We had several quarrels; for when out of temper he was utterly unreasonable. For instance, early in the voyage at Bahia in Brazil he defended and praised slavery, which I abominated, and told me that he had just visited a great slave-owner, who had called up many of his slaves and asked them whether they were happy, and whether they wished to be free, and all answered “No.” I then asked him, perhaps with a sneer, whether he thought that the answers of slaves in the presence of their master was worth anything. This made him excessively angry, and he said that as I doubted his word, we could not live any longer together. I thought that I should have been compelled to leave the ship; but as soon as the news spread, which it did quickly, as the captain sent for the first lieutenant to assuage his anger by abusing me, I was deeply gratified by receiving an invitation from all the gun-room officers to mess with them.” (Autobiography of Charles Darwin)”
        You fail again, Harry.
        You lie when you say that I and “you people” don’t care about evidence. The problem for you is that you have none. Abortions do not murder innocent human beings, and your god does per your bible. People can be transgender, but your ignorant bible doesn’t mention it so you think it is untrue. Such a shame that a hypocrite like you uses things the bible doesn’t mention because they are convenient.

        Megalomaniacs, including Christians, have shed the most blood, not atheists. Again, I’m an atheist and don’t want to cause genocide, so your attempt to pretend causation is a lie as usual. And poor Harry, still can’t show that his personal list of “sins” is what is god agrees with or that his god exists at all.

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      10. @clubschadefraud,

        You are truly ignorant about a lot of things. Especially the Bible as you misquote it using improper contexts and fake Bible versions to bear false witness. Paul encouraged servants/slaves to free themselves if the opportunity arose→ “Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.”, 1 Corinthians 7:21. He told Philemon to take back his runaway servant/slave Onesimus not as a servant but as a brother in the same way he would receive Paul into his house (Philemon 15-17). Paul condemned “menstealing” (kidnapping), the practice that causes slavery (1 Timothy 1:10).

        You’re trying to pull a fast one about Darwin also. He was against slavery, but was in favor of racism. Here are quotes from Darwin’s “The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex” where he calls non-whites inferior, wishes “lower races” to be exterminated and called “Australians” (aborigines) and “negroes” ape-like:

        “It is generally admitted that with woman the powers of intuition, of rapid perception, and perhaps of imitation, are more strongly marked than in man; but some, at least, of these faculties are characteristic of the lower races, and therefore of a past and lower state of civilisation.”

        “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked (18. ‘Anthropological Review,’ April 1867, p. 236.), will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

        You should find something more proper to do with your time since your frauds keep being exposed. If you knew just Biology 101, you would know humans cannot change their chromosomes, which is the immutable things that make them either male or female. There are only two genders, determined by chromosomes. And no one can switch their male chromosomes to female chromosomes or vice versa. Atheists are such liars. Just like their spiritual father, Satan, the father of lies.

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      11. and again, poor Harry makes claims and can’t show one of them to be true. We still have Paul having no problem with slavery. Where does Paul say that slaves should be freed, Harry?

        Ah, yes, no where at all. The same with Jesus and your god in the OT.

        And now we have poor Harry finding his lie fails about Darwin. And he lies by providing quotes out of context. Tsk, tsk Harry, you do exactly what you claim others do falsely.

        “The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, convinced by general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks incessantly occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies—between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridæ [JSW: Tarsiers and Lemurs]—between the elephant and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus [JSW: platypus] or Echidna, and other mammals. But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

        Again, Darwin was no more racist than anyone of the period, and sexist than anyone of the period.

        Thanks for showing your lies again, Harry. And your bigotry and ignorance. You are too lazy to know that there is sex and there is gender. Different terms, different meanings. there are many mixes of X and Y chromosomes, but an ignorant Christian can’t be expected to know about them, eh?

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      12. @clubschadefraud,

        Thanks for showing by your uninformed unintelligent comment full of blatant lies that you are a child of the father of lies, Satan himself. You contradicted yourself by proving my point on Darwin. Anyone who has a handle on the English language can see Darwin was hoping non-Caucasians (who he assumed to be a much closer relative to apes than Caucasians) would be exterminated by “civilised races” for the sake of widening the gap between humans and apes so humans could be “in a more civilised state.” You can’t see the obvious because, as usual, atheists much prefer their lies to encourage themselves in their deceptions. But thanks for showing the greater context of what Darwin said so people can see for themselves how racist Darwin was and how much of a racist liar you are for defending his stupid racist comments.

        As someone who doesn’t know the Bible and chooses to take it out of context when you quote it, you have no clue what Paul or any other writer in the Bible said. Not knowing what they said, you aren’t in the position to tell us what they meant on the issue of slavery or any other issue. Liar. Deceiver. I already quoted what Paul said about servants, so anyone who reads what I quoted can see your lies on slavery in the Bible.

        But your unscientific comment on X and Y chromosomes, out of all your comments, takes the cake on stupidity. The chromosomes XX always means female, while XY always means male when it comes to what a person is at birth. That is the majority and prevailing standard. People falsely calling themselves “transgender” (a “pretender gender”) cannot be the opposite gender since they have chromosomes clearly denoting one specific unchangeable gender. If a pretender gender male person commits a crime and leaves his DNA at the scene of the crime on a weapon, for example, and the police successfully track him down with their detective skills to arrest him, it’s guaranteed the DNA will come back as a match identifying him as a male perp even if he tries to pass as a female. If he stands trial before a real judge and jury and not a bunch of atheist Marxist activists, he won’t be able to argue that the DNA is incorrect since he identifies as female. Atheists like you are too blind to see that truth since you see your ignorance as bliss.

        Atheists love lies and deceit. That’s why they deny historical truths, scientific truths, or Biblical truths that fly in the face of their false narratives, just as you have demonstrated in all your worthless, foolish comments.

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      13. It’s YOU that can not take the truth because you have no connection to it. Truth requires PROOF, that little certain something you of the specious faith always seem to lack. When you spew this nonsense out out you make a con man of yourself because you have no evidence that any of it – not an iota or scintilla of it – bears any semblance to reality but you position it as something you know. Your ridiculous mythology come with a handy escape clause because when cornered and unable to explain anything – which is MOST of it – you can alway s come up with the usual euphemisms of “he works in mysterious ways” or “how can I presume to know the mind of god” yet you always seem to be telling us that you do. Your know what he likes, doesn’t like, who he likes and doesn’t like, how and when he’s going to return to judge us, etc. Yet you can’t even explain most of the nonsense implicit in your mythology e.g., the trinity, and why there is so much horrible suffering in the world. try that on for size.

        Pompous a**.

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      14. Bitter much, RaPaR?

        I have plenty of proof for my faith. The proof is in nature around us. The proof is also in those of us whose lives that God has genuinely changed–those who have done a complete and lasting 180 from their past full of evil to serve the Lord. The proof is in God’s word since he’s not a liar like you, but always speaks unadulterated truth.

        What truth? His truthful prediction in Revelation that everyone in the world in the last days would be able to witness events simultaneously in real time in preparation for the future when the Antichrist will do evil stuff like murder God’s two preachers in Jerusalem (Revelation 11). Now we have satellite and internet broadcasts to see events simultaneously worldwide like the Bible predicted.

        What truth? The truthfulness of Jesus Christ’s prophecy when he predicted that there would be many people who would claim to be him in the last days (Matthew 24:5). Then his prophecies came true with people like Sun Myung Moon, David Koresh, and many others who have claimed to be Jesus Christ–> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus.

        What truth? The truth that there is a place that compasses (encircles) the Earth where day and night end, or border each other, just like it says in Job 26:10, where Job’s scientific accuracy speaks of not only a round Earth, but also the Earth’s terminator where the sunrise and sunset, night and day, border each other.

        None of those truths even comes close to being nonsense like you claim. Here’s the actual nonsense–that you think the suffering in this world can’t be explained. And here’s more nonsense–that you refuse to admit God is real even though God’s existence is built into human nature by default. There are many reasons why suffering happens. Much of it has to do with people like you who hate God so they deny he exists so they can be involved with their pet sins. Some of them deny God’s existence so much that they vote for political leaders who want to disarm innocent citizens, wishing to leave them with no means of self-protection as they also defund the police and give violent criminals a get-out-of-jail-free-card with no bail. It has a domino effect of innocent people getting killed, which leads to suffering.

        Why is there so much suffering? Another reason is that people who deny God’s existence so they can have their pet sin go around having sex outside of marriage spreading STDs, which cause suffering. Or they end up having babies out of wedlock and refuse to get married to raise their children together, which puts the child and single parent at an economic and moral disadvantage, leading to more suffering. If they did what God commands by keeping sex within traditional male/female marriage, it would increase the chances of having less suffering.

        I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that there is so much suffering partly because there are so many people like you in the world. “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God,” (Psalm 14:1) and those fools make foolish anti-God decisions that lead to them causing themselves and others to suffer needlessly because they refuse to listen to God. Try that on for size.

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  2. Bitter? No. I am not bitter, not at all. I am perfectly content in my life, for better or worse. I don’t need your cartoonish nonsense to consider myself a good person. Morality is not synthesized by religion, religion is the poison of morality. But I am pissed, yes. I am so sick and tired of the nauseating phony piety of you mythologists pontificating to people like me that we have no morality, we can’t possibly be a good people because we don’t believe in your silly mythology, the likes of which any child could see through left to their own devices. Unfortunately, you grab them in their very youth and brainwash them into thinking this nonsense is real. Then the poor little innocents have to cope with the needless guilt and anxiety that always goes along with belief in the supernatural. Pathetic. Really.

    And of course to support your claim that your dogma is true you have to go back and quote, what?……your dogma! Of course! That makes perfect sense…….to the mindless, irrational, believers. Quoting Revelation is really a hoot since both Jesus and Paul the MythMaker claimed that it would happen in THEIR TIME so good luck with that! (Mark 9:1 “And he said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.’” Maybe you haven’t really ever read the Bible but I have and have studied it greatly. It falls apart in your hands like sand. Paradoxically, a real, scholarly scrutinization of the Bible almost always leads to atheism or agnosticism.

    And to blame atheists for the suffering in the world? Really? That is really rich since it is Christianity which has caused most of the suffering in the world, but you wouldn’t know that because your faith gets in the way of your critical thought processes. The simple fact is that Jesus was a Jew, lived his entire life as a Jew, died as a Jew, observing every aspect of the law. It was Paul, a man that never met Jesus and, according to his “letters” (at least the 7 of 13 we think may be authentic) that abrogated the Law in favor of his presto/magic “new” Greco-Roman mystery dying & rising cult, of which there were many such cults back then before people knew better. (Matthew 5:18 “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”) Here Jesus states unequivocally that the Law is nonnegotiable, period end of story so you my friend, are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. If you want to be a follower of Jesus, you have to be a Jew.

    Lastly I’d like to commend you on your very Christian-like message to me, I was quite taken, really. To shirk all the responsibility of suffering in the world on to “people like me” is very Christian-like and I mean that quite literally. That this imaginary man in the sky would punish innocent people; children, babies even, that have done absolutely nothing against him themselves would be punished anyway simply because I’m not buying his bulls*** is probably the most Christian part of your entire soliloquy. Morality is not derived from religion, it precedes it. If you are incapable of discerning the difference between right and wrong on your own without the use of your dogma makes you rather dull I think, but that’s on you, not me as an atheist since I can do that without the added albatross of religion.

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    1. RaPaR,

      I know this is difficult for atheists to do, but you should try to be more honest with yourself. You deny being bitter, yet your words reflect deep long-held bitterness. Anyone reading your comment can see it clear as day. You atheists lie so much to yourselves that you can’t even be forthcoming about something as simple as that. It’s sad.

      Not only do atheists tend to lie to themselves, they’re also good at the hypocrisy of projecting onto others what they are themselves guilty of. I’m referring to your beliefs in Darwinist myths about origins and the fairy tales you conjure up to hoodwink people into believing such nonsense. That’s why the nonsense of Ernst Haeckel’s fraudulent embryonic drawings were taught for decades to school kids. Atheists nowadays have shown their hand to reveal they couldn’t care less about science since so many of them are pushing the “transgender” nonsense or the nonbinary, endless genders fairy tales that deny the biological, chromosomal science which clearly shows there are only two genders and that people cannot change their gender. Yet you want to moan about Christians brainwashing kids when real Christians are the ones telling kids the real truth about the real science of genders.

      When Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes recently exposed how this transgender nonsense is causing young people to suffer from being pressured into bad decisions to try to be the opposite gender, many of your leftist atheist cohorts tried to silence her. They continue to push their lying dogma on kids even more with their drag queen story hours. Yes, your atheist buddies are the ones behind this garbage that ultimately leads to kids suffering.

      Truth is, atheists couldn’t care less about kids. That’s why atheists scream that kids should be murdered in the womb or after they’re born. You people go all out when it comes to infanticide, the murder of innocent babies. As if that isn’t enough, you people also scream about the right to pressure sick people or the elderly into euthanasia or physician assisted suicide. Atheists have a knack for disregarding human life while pretending that they care about human life. You people are much like your spiritual daddy, Satan, who “cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy” but my Lord Jesus Christ came “that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly,” (John 10:10). Which is why real Christians are pro-life and hate any form of murder whether it’s called abortion, mercy killing, euthanasia, or doctor assisted suicide.

      The reason why I can quote the Bible, my “dogma” as you call it, is because we Christians have the freedom to quote the truth, especially when the Bible can be shown to be true in the real world. Since Satan has blinded your mind, you intentionally lied or mistakenly interpreted your Mark 9:1 claim that Jesus and Paul expected Revelation to happen in their time. Jesus specifically told his disciples regarding his second coming, “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father,” (Mark 13:32). Ye are of your father, the devil, which is why you twisted God’s words like Satan did to Eve in the Garden of Eden and when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.

      You hate it when Christians use the Bible because you know God’s truths can be shown “by many infallible proofs” (Acts 1:3), which is why I will continue to quote it again and again. And I see that you continue to repeat the debunked lie that Jesus Christ’s life, death, and resurrection were based on ancient mythology cult stories. You need to update your fallacious information→

      (“Zeitgeist Debunked: Jesus Is Not A Copy Of Pagan Gods’)

      [And to blame atheists for the suffering in the world? … That is really rich since it is Christianity which has caused most of the suffering]

      You’re way off base, but that’s no surprise since you really don’t know history. Genuine Christians have been the ones at the receiving end of suffering at the hands of God-haters–people such as yourself. And atheists have been the main purveyors of unleashing persecution and bloodshed on all kinds of people, especially starting with the bloodbath of the French Revolution run by atheists. Atheism has given us the brutal racism of Darwin and Marxism, which have caused the most suffering and bloodshed. The most recent violent contributions atheists have made to society are the Black Lives Matter organization and Antifa. But just to refresh everyone’s memory, here’s a broader list of the suffering that has been wrought by atheists to the tune of hundreds of millions murdered by them → https://sunandshield.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/murderous-atheists.png (“Atheists who loved the idea of murder”)

      This is the type of “morality” that atheism has a tendency to spawn. It’s the same type of morality that Satan has.

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      1. You are a believer in myth and it is clearly demonstrated in your writings. I am not “bitter” at religion, or god, or anything else. What I dislike greatly, is people pontificating this nonsense and trying to impose it upon everyone else as if it is really true, which it is not. To say I don’t know history is laughable since that it what my degree is in; ancient & religious history. YOUR argument comes from the mythology of the Bible, non of which can be verified. So, your argument is the specious one, not mine.

        Thank you, though. I feel the hate.

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      2. @RaPaR,

        Having a degree in “ancient & religious history” isn’t impressive when one acquires such a degree from an institution of higher learning that has a biased anti-Bible bent and that infuses such curricula with liberal activism. By rejecting God’s proven and believable truths while bragging about your degrees just means that you have shown that Romans 1:22 is spot on–“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”

        Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they hate you. Falsely accusing me of “hate” is a typical liberal tool used to deflect and distract from the topic at hand. You’re also falsely accusing me of hate to try to justify your own hatred towards people like me. Exposing falsehoods like the ones you cling to is me loving you enough to speak the truth with the hope that the Lord will help you turn from the destructive error of your ways. It’s also why I pray for you in/with godly love.

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  3. You should really go back and red some of your own comments here; they are rife with hate, comparing my morality to Satan’s, we lie to ourselves, etc. You are a typical name-caller, like a child that can’t win an argument because it’s over his head so he (you) resort to name calling and innuendo. The only reason I even brought up my degree was not to brag, and I wasn’t; it was because you said I “didn’t know history” and I find it is you that is lacking in detail, fact, and a historical knowledge base. You’re spewing out dogma to support a dogmatic argument and that is futile and childish. You believe in a deity I do not. You have ne evidence for your beliefs excerpt to say “I believe it and that’s all I need.” I need more than that and, as of this moment in time, deists have been unable to provide even a scintilla of evidence or proof to support their case. Simple as that. Call me all the names you like; berate us, whatever, that is just a reflection on you, not me or “us” as atheists.

    And, by the way, keep your thoughts and prayers. They haven’t accomplished a single thing ever and I don’t expect they will now. They didn’t stop the slaughter of innocent teachers & children in, of all places, their elementary school where they would never have had a thought that a deranged maniac whom, according to you, god created, from entering their safest zone and murdering them. In fact, again according to you, god already knew exactly what was going to happen, when, and to whom. That is just shameful.

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    1. @RaPaR,

      Comparing your morality to Satan’s or calling you out for your lies isn’t hate when it’s true. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they hate you. Calling people haters is simply a deflection tactic common to people such as yourself to distract people away from your flawed reasoning. You’re not in a position to claim I have no evidence for my beliefs when you haven’t read all of my posts highlighting the evidence for my beliefs, complete with sources. In typical atheist fashion, you’re responding based on your emotions without rendering valid proof for your own positions.

      You’re so caught up in emotions that you conjure up an argument about school shootings and try to link them to prayers being ineffective? It’s faulty reasoning. Let me start from a historical standpoint since you falsely claim history is your expertise. If you look at a history of school shootings in the US, you will find that after the early to mid-1960s when atheist’s evolution took over schools and the US Supreme Court kicked adult-led Christian practices out of schools, shootings went up dramatically–> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States . So what’s “shameful” is how you’re trying to frame God for problems caused by atheists such as yourself. From Columbine’s Klebold and Harris to Santa Fe High’s Dimitrios Pagourtzis to Marshall County High’s Gabriel Ross Parker, the bulk of school shooters were inspired by atheist doctrines, including socialism, to shoot and kill.

      So if you want to conjure up the “deranged maniac” argument, look to your own atheism as influential in such actions. God is a “gentleman” who doesn’t force people to obey him against their own free will. If people reject God he steps back and lets them face the consequences of their bad choices. You, as a socialist-loving atheist, are probably assuming that God should be like a socialist dictator who micromanages every aspect of his subjects’ lives to try to make them do whatever he wants. That’s not how he operates. Out of love, he allows humans freewill, which means each person is responsible for their own actions and decisions and is judged accordingly.

      As an atheist, you have great hypocrisy when it comes to human life. If you care so much about human life, such as school kids and teachers, then why is it that you atheists promote murdering children when they’re in the womb or killing them soon after birth? If you were so concerned about innocent life, then why is it that atheists have led the charge to snuff out innocent life with euthanasia and medical-assisted suicides? Why is it that atheists who are disciples of socialism have killed more than any other people group? Atheists have assassinated two Presidents (Garfield and Kennedy), started both World Wars, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the bloody Bolshevik revolution, the bloody Maoist revolution, and more. Even today, the regimes violating human rights the most are atheist regimes, such as China, North Korea, and Venezuela. Yet you would rather misdirect your feigned anger towards God instead of your false religion of atheism when atheists and God-haters are the real culprits, not God.

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  4. I rest my case; you continue to spew out falsehoods and hate. You know nothing of my beliefs about abortion or anything else and, as an atheist, I have not set of rules I must believe and use reason, skepticism and critical think none in order to come to my conclusions. Not you though. Yo’re perfectly content with childish mythology, silly man-in-the-sky stories, etc. in other words, you’ll believe anything, the dumber the better. Good choice!

    But you resort back to the name calling and invective as usual. Have fun with that; I’m sure Jesus would approve….maybe I’ll respond if you ever say anything that makes even a ounce of sense.

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    1. @RaPaR,
      You have no case to rest since the points you attempted to make were weak at best. Which is why you have to try to divert attention elsewhere.

      The fact that you claim I don’t know about your beliefs but then fail to clearly state them and sidestep the issues tells me that you’re upset that I was so accurate. You also contradict yourself by claiming you have no set of rules to believe but seem oblivious to the fact that your denial of God’s obvious existence, your claims of using reason, skepticism, and critical thinking are all part of your set of rules. Even though you really don’t use reason or critical thinking which is obvious by your acceptance of murder via abortion or euthanasia and your previous attempt to blame God for school shootings committed by atheists.

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