China’s String of “Bad Luck”

In recent weeks, the only positive news China seems to have had is that their trade deal with the US was finally completed and tariffs are beginning to be lifted. However, the other things they’ve faced in the midst of that one good thing is a whole bunch of other bad things that will hamper their economy in the short term. The coronavirus is the cause of the bad situations they now face.

Flights between China and other nations have been temporarily banned, the Chinese government has canceled many public events across the vast nation, nearly 20 cities and villages have been quarantined, companies foreign to China (like Apple) have suspended their business dealings there, and the death toll has surpassed 300 with thousands more infected. As if that isn’t enough bad news, the H5N1 bird flu is back and spreading in China, which makes this the third disease they’ve faced in recent months that is giving them major challenges, after they dealt with the spread of the swine flu and are grappling with the current coronavirus crisis.

As the scientists investigate the origins of the coronavirus to come up with a cure, some curious data has arisen. Researchers are finding that the disease may be a genetic alteration from a laboratory. It has an HIV strain in it that cannot naturally occur in the family of diseases it belongs to, raising concerns that it could be a manmade bioweapon that was released (accidentally or purposely) into the wild.

Could all of these challenges harming the government, economy, and common people of China be just a string of bad luck or is something else at play? Given China’s horrendous human rights record of forcibly murdering unborn babies, persecuting Christians and other religious sects, forced human organ donations, the unnecessary clamp-down on Hong Kong, and other atrocities, it’s not unusual to consider that, perhaps, it’s possible the three recent outbreaks of three different diseases could be divine judgment.

Many people are dismissive of the idea that God would even care to be involved in the affairs of men. Diseases, in their thinking, can only have scientific causes and ramifications–nothing more, nothing less. I beg to differ. I think it poetically and spiritually befitting that an oppressive government that has increased bans on Christian assemblies is having it’s god of economics and government-controlled routines banned to some extent by pestilences. If that’s the case, the question then becomes will the unbelievers in China double down on their sins or will there be more repentance that leads to salvation in Jesus Christ? I hope and pray the latter becomes reality.

7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jeremiah 18

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  1. “Could all of these challenges harming the government, economy, and common people of China be just a string of bad luck or is something else at play? Given China’s horrendous human rights record of forcibly murdering unborn babies, persecuting Christians and other religious sects, forced human organ donations, the unnecessary clamp-down on Hong Kong, and other atrocities, it’s not unusual to consider that, perhaps, it’s possible the three recent outbreaks of three different diseases could be divine judgment.”

    Christians love to make baseless claims like this. You want to pretend that your god is somehow punishing someone who doesn’t agree with you, but you conveniently forget when your claims of how god is going to punish someone fail.

    How many times have Christians lied and claimed that their god was going to visit harm upon someone they didn’t like? Dover, Pennsylvania for showing the lies of creationists? states for allowing equal marriage rights for everyone? And then we have the nonsense of Christians trying to claim how their god protected then when it was nothing more than chance that had a tornado not hit them but killed the equally good family down the road.

    Having been a christian, I got to see this and bought it to that ignorance and arrogance for a while. Then I realized just how pathetic that was.

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    1. @club,

      Be honest. You never were Christian. Real Christians never leave the faith.

      When God punishes he correlates it to people’s sin. China’s govt. ordered that God’s word change to suit their demands and they use their social credit system to ban the freedom of movement for Christians. God’s word says plagues will be on anyone who changes his word or targets his people. So now they have plagues and their plagues hamper their movements. The correlations can’t be ignored.

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      1. Poor Harry, you have to yet commit the classic no true scotsman fallacy again. Christians leave the faith all of the time and that scares you since they don’t need you or your god.

        Muslims make the same claims as you do, that no “true” believer ever leaves. What does that say about Muslims who become Christians? You see, Harry, many believers make up the same lies you do because they don’t want to believe anyone could be what they are and then change.

        There is nothing to show your version of your god exists or that it “correlates” anything to people’s sin. That Christians can’t even agree on what sin is makes your claim quite funny. Harry, what punishment should be correlated to a serial adulterer? When does that get around to happening?

        As for demanding this god’s word change, funny how Christians do that all of the time, making contradictory claims about what this god “really” means.

        Yep, they ban freedom of movement of Christians and all sorts of people like the Uighur Muslims, etc. So? Was it Allah who is “punishing” them?

        Christians used to do control the movement of Jews, so again, what was your god doing then, Harry? Hmmm, was the black plague on Christians for doing that in the middle ages, Harry?

        And for changing this god’s word, hmmm, so where’s the plagues in all of the Christian versions you claim aren’t true, Harry?

        This god is terribly inconsistent about what it punishes and when,

        Just as if it doesn’t exist.

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      2. @club,

        The false god Allah has nothing to do with this conversation. The fact you can’t discern between true beliefs and false ones is typical of the lack of discernment, wisdom & knowledge inherent with atheists. Also to be noted is the atheist bent to defend God-hating, human-hating, totalitarian, fascist, Communist regimes like China.

        Use your worthless smoke screens all you wish, but China’s communists and their god of materialistic secularism and authoritarian govt control is being brought to heel by the one true God of the Bible.

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      3. Allah has plenty to do with this conversation. You can’t show it is false or your god is true. Every theist says the same thing. Hmmm, just how can you show that it isn’t Allah “punishing” China and not your god? It’s not Christians in the chinese concentration camps; it’s Muslims.

        And funny how I haven’t defended China at all, just pointed out your lies, Harry. It’s great fun when you try to ignore this from me “Yep, they ban freedom of movement of Christians and all sorts of people like the Uighur Muslims, etc. So? Was it Allah who is “punishing” them?”

        supposedly this is ” Also to be noted is the atheist bent to defend God-hating, human-hating, totalitarian, fascist, Communist regimes like China.”

        Do you think your god is that stupid that it wouldn’t notice something like that? That’s just perfect, Harry.

        No one is being brought to heel by your imaginary friend at all, Harry. It’s always good to see a Christian fail to answer such simple questions as:

        Christians used to do control the movement of Jews, so again, what was your god doing then, Harry? Hmmm, was the black plague on Christians for doing that in the middle ages, Harry?

        And for changing this god’s word, hmmm, so where’s the plagues in all of the Christian versions you claim aren’t true, Harry?

        and lie to call them “smokescreens” to make an excuse for his failure.

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      4. @club,

        You said, “No one is being brought to heel…blah blah blah.” It shows you hate God so much you have to lie and deny anything he obviously does. Business in China has been brought to a halt. Their govt-manipulated economy is losing billions as trade has dropped because of their plague. So, yes, the commies you worship have been brought to heel. Wake up from your atheist fairy tale dream world. Communist governments aren’t the gods you wish they could be.

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      5. Harry, your tell when you know you are failing is trying to ignore what I’ve said and typing “blah blah blah”. Thanks for your admission.

        I don’t hate god since your version of this god is imaginary and just in you petty hateful image. I can hate what people do in the name of this god, and point out how ridiculous it is. You can’t, of course, show that this god of yours does anything at all, including “punish” China. You have as much evidence that your god is doing something as the Muslims have that Allah is doing something: none.

        Business in china hasn’t been brought to a halt at all. We still get thousands of tons of goods coming into the ports around the US. They aren’t losing “billions” but probably are losing millions since many people are very silly and are unnecessarily freaking out about this virus. The regular old flu virus is far more deadly. The Chinese have managed to get that idiot Trump to fail completely in his trade war with them, with him ending up with an unenforceable agreement and nothing at all done about Chinese intellectual property theft.

        Happily for everyone, there will be a vaccine made, and this will become a far less important issue. Your sadistic fantasies will fail again with your desperate need to make believe the “end times” are coming. Harry and his god aren’t important again.

        And aw, Harry, nice to see again that you intentionally bear false witness against other and choose to lie. I do not worship commies and not one thing I’ve said shows this. I find big “C” communist governments to be idiotic, just as I do pure capitalist governments, although there are precious few of those. The US itself is a mostly capitalist system but we have good safety nets like social security, medicare and Medicaid, etc and we offer corporate welfare all of the time and the gov’t prop up the prices of commodities like farm products. How many of those do you use or will be using, Harry? Hypocrites like you always rail against things and then when it is your turn to use them, you glom on.

        Good to know you ignore the following as is convenient for you and your spluttering. There are at least a few good ideas in the bible.

        Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

        A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

        Because if you believe, then this is a problem “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

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      6. @club,

        Spare me your “I’m an atheist so I know everything” spiel. The only person bearing false witness is you. Your past comments of incessant trolling show that you love communism. Socialism is the typical atheist bent and you’ve defended it several times, liar.

        And here you are with more lies about China. Try as you may with your trolling it’s undeniable God is judging the communist govt of China. They were using facial recognition against Christians but that isn’t working presently since everyone is wearing masks. A direct swipe from God against their playing god. They have stopped Christians from assembling but now they can’t assemble because of the virus. I could go on and on. Bottom line. You’re deceived in your worthless trolling denials re: God’s judgment.

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      7. I’ve never said “I’m an atheist so I know everything.” And that is one more lie told by you, Harry. You must think your god is quite stupid to not notice your actions.

        Poor Harry, you want to also lie and claim that facts are “trolling”. Alas, for you reality is trolling you since you want to make nonsense up.

        I’m not a socialist and atheism has nothing to do with socialism or the choice of socialism as a preferred economical system. I’ve not defended it, Harry, and poor Harry, you find yourself sucking on systems that are quite socialistic.

        I can deny your false claims with facts, Harry, and you whining and claiming things are “undeniable” doesn’t make them so. China is using facial recognition on all of their citizens, not just Christians, and yep, no surprise that it doesn’t work when people use masks. As usual, Harry, you are left with trying to claim coincidence as being your god at work. Poor little god, can’t actually do magic any more and Harry is stuck with claiming anything at all is his god. Oh the mighty have fallen. 
        It is pathetic that you have to be happy about a virus that can kill, just so you can pretend your god exists.

        And you could and have gone on and on, and still no one needs you or your petty god.

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      8. More atheist unfounded accusations. If you had deductive reasoning skills or knowldege you would know that I was speaking of your know-it-all posture displayex in your replies. The more you reply the more you reveal your lack of reasoning and outright blindness. Trolling Christians seems more important to you than getting your facts straight.

        Speaking of not getting your facts straight you claim “Atheism has nothing to do with socialism.” You obviously haven’t studied the history of either atheism or socialism. Marx and Engels were atheists. Hitler, a National Socialist, was atheist. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, North Korea’s Kim family–all socialist, all atheist. Atheist Dawkins has at times espoused socialism. So did the late atheist Christopher Hitchens. The list goes on and on. You are so misinformed and deceived on so many things including your own secular religion.

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      9. Oh, Harry, you are such a great Christian to show how Christianity fails. You have yet to show one thing that I’ve said that is “unfounded”. I keep asking you to show your evidence and you just run away.

        No, dear, you weren’t “speaking” of my supposed “know it all posture”. You said I said “Spare me your “I’m an atheist so I know everything” spiel. “. See those lovely quotes that makes this a lie? You got caught in a lie again thanks to your desperation and need to lie. In any case, nope, I don’t know everything but I have shown I know a lot more than you do.

        The more I reply, the more facts I have to show that reality doesn’t agree with you, Harry. That’s what you don’t like and that’s why you try to claim that having facts evidently makes one a “know-it-all”. Again, poor Harry, you again try to claim that I lack reason, but are unable to show that, and claim I have “outright blindness” again, something you can’t show to be true.

        My facts are quite straight and again, you can’t refute them. You just whine.

        Again, atheism has nothing to do with socialism, or Marxism or communism. I’ve studied Marx and I have studied atheism and theism. You try to use the same pathetic lies that so many Christians use, trying to claim that Hitler was an atheist. Sorry, Harry, Hitler was a Christian and stated so. “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – Mein Kampf, page 65

        “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.” – MK page 152

        “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.” – MK page 174
        “While the regime is determined to carry through the political and moral purging of our public life, it is creating and ensuring the prerequisites for a really deep inner religiousity. Benefits of a personal nature, which might arise from compromise with atheistic organisations, could outweigh the results which become apparent through the destruction of general basic religious-ethical values. The national regime seeks in both Christian confessions the factors most important for the maintenance of our folkdom…. The national regime will concede and safeguard to the Christian confessions the influence due them, in school and education. It is concerned with the sincere cooperation of church and state. The struggle against a materialistic philosophy for the creation of a true folk community serves the interests of the German nation as well as our Christian belief.” – Adolph Hitler, March 5, 1922

        “The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.”” – Adolph Hitler, February 1, 1933

        So, again facts show you to be a liar, Harry.

        Marx and Engel may have been atheists. So might have Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. There are plenty of Christians who are communists and plenty of Christians who are socialists. Jesus Christ himself supposedly advocated for sharing everything and taking care of the sick and old e.g. communism.
        “ 44 All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds[j] to all, as any had need. 46 Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home[k] and ate their food with glad and generous[l] hearts, 47 praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.” Acts 2
        “32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. 33 With great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.” – Acts 4
        Your attempt to lie and claim causation fails.

        As for atheism being a “religion”, nope, but some Christians want to falsely claim so. It’s the common need to try to lie and change the meaning of words, as if you think calling atheism a religion would suddenly make it true and as if that is the worst thing you can say….about yourselves.

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      10. @clubshade,

        [I keep asking you to show your evidence and you just run away.]

        No, clubshady, what’s really going on is that I present evidence and you, like crazy Nancy Pelosi, refuse to admit how wrong you are simply because you are too full of foolish ignorant pride to admit someone you oppose is correct–especially since they are a Christian evangelical.

        Be as long-winded and full of nonsense as you deceive yourself into being but it won’t change the fact that China is under God’s judgment for persecuting and murdering Christians. A truth you must deny since you hate God and hate his people enough that you, like China’s communists, are probably hoping for the continued slaughter of innocent Christians. Atheists like you tend to not only be fools, or love socialism, or love lies, they also have a blatant disregard for human life.

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      11. Again, still waiting for evidence, Harry. You gave a link to an article that didn’t support your claims about China. You try to claim that your god is responsible for the coronavirus outbreak. No evidence for that. You want to play pretend that no other god could be responsible. No evidence for that either. All you have is the desperate hope that your sadistic end times fantasies will come true this time. We’ve seen this play through with every disease outbreak from the plague in the 6th century to now, claims that the end times are a-comin’!

        I have no problem at all in admitting when a Christian evangelical is correct. You aren’t, so comparing yourself to someone who is right is rather funny. It’s even cuter when you try to claim that I like communism, when that is not the case. You lie and you lie poorly.

        Still no evidence for your claims. I do have to feel a little sorry for you since you’ll die and you’ll know you’ve failed. Nope, I never hope for innocent Christians being killed. But nice attempt at projection of your feelings there, Harry. You are the one who has a religion that has a god that kills all non-christians and then works with Satan to corrupt and kill those Christians who are left. That’s quite a religion you have there, Harry.

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      12. [All you have is the desperate hope that your sadistic end times fantasies will come true this time]

        @clubshady,

        I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you’re pulling out the typical atheist projection. I’m praying for Communists to repent and be saved–that they will stop their stealing, killing, and lying. By falsely accusing me of being sadistic, you are really saying you don’t believe murderers should be punished, especially when they murder Christians. You’re saying it’s wrong for people to want evil people to be punished for their crimes. You’re the one who’s sadistic.

        What’s even more sadistic of atheists like you is that you think it’s all good when someone murders their unborn baby, having them torn apart limb-by-limb, causing those innocent precious human beings immeasurable suffering–> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7903507/Unborn-babies-feel-pain-24-week-abortion-limit-scientists-say.html

        [I have no problem at all in admitting when a Christian evangelical is correct.]

        You’re such a typical atheist–a liar. Your false religion of atheism can never allow you to admit when a Christian is correct. You’re too full of hatred for God, his word, and his people for that to happen. Since you hate God so much, you could never accept any evidence that gives proof his word is true and/or that he exists–even though you know within yourself he exists.

        That which may be known of God is manifest in you; for God has showed it to you. For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that you are without excuse… (Romans 1:19-20). If you can’t admit something as simple as the fact that scientific evidence proves unborn babies are 100% human and if you can’t accept the biological certainty that there are only 2 genders–male and female–and that one cannot change genders, then you couldn’t care less about any evidence showing that China is under God’s judgment and their economy is taking a huge hit because of it. Things are so bad that they’re artificially propping up their markets.–> https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-09-china-flooding-the-markets-with-liquidity-coronavirus-pandemic.html

        [I never hope for innocent Christians being killed…. You are the one who has a religion that has a god that kills all non-christians and then works with Satan to corrupt and kill those Christians who are left.]

        This is more proof that not only are you a liar, but you’re ignorant and really haven’t read the Bible all the way through. It also shows once again that you don’t believe people who break laws should be punished even when they’re not sorry. God kills non-Christians because they do things like lie, steal, kill, and many other bad things that harm both Christians and non-Christians alike. So if you’re against non-Christians being punished by being sent to hell–something that they choose themselves–then you’re saying you wouldn’t want them punished for harming Christians. So you’re contradicting yourself when you say you never hope for Christian to be killed, exposing yourself as the liar you are.

        And you’re not in a position to talk about God when he justifiably takes life for the right reasons when history is chock-full of atheists who snuff out innocent lives for the wrong reasons. I’ve run down that list before with you. Do you need a reminder of just how bloodthirsty atheists are? Well, here you are.

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      13. It’s so sweet of you to use a Chinese article, Harry. Believe them now, do you? And exactly how does this article work with this claim of yours “Their govt-manipulated economy is losing billions as trade has dropped because of their plague.” Your article is about domestic spending.

        You fail again.

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      14. You have no facts to back what you say to refute the fact China is being hit hard with a plague costing them billions. Your comments prove how accurate the Bible is when it says “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” You truly are a fool denying the very facts showing China’s economy is at a standstill, losing billions.

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      15. Harry, do I need to quote you again? You said in trade. The article you linked to, and evidently didn’t read, doesn’t support your claim.

        and you still have no evidence to support your claims.

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      16. @clubshady,

        You’re only saying that because you didn’t read the article. It’s not my job to sit here and spoonfeed info to lying atheists, especially when they can’t even accept the indisputable evidence that babies in the womb are fully human and killing them in the womb is snuffing out innocent human life. You claim you want evidence when you, as an atheist evolutionist, can’t even accept the evidence that it’s impossible for dinosaurs to evolve into birds–> https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/forget-what-you-heard-dinosaurs-didnt-become-birds/

        Long story short–you atheists hate scientific truth, historical truth, spiritual truth, or any other truth that shatters your backwards, close-minded way of thinking. It’s no wonder the Bible says, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

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