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Atheist minister of Toronto “Christian” church to start nonbeliever congregation

Gretta Vosper, the minister of West Hill United Church in Toronto who made headlines for coming out as atheist, is planning to start a congregation for atheists in February 2017. Her decision comes months after a committee with the United Church of Canada deemed her unfit to serve as minister of their “Christian” church. But the church is dragging their feet on defrocking her–a decision that won’t be made until the latter part of 2017. In the meantime, she plans to stay on as minister of the congregation as she runs the secularist congregation that will be part of the Oasis network of secularist gatherings.

The creed of her church-like congregation will have five principles: ‘”people are more important than beliefs,” “reality is known through reason,” “human hands solve human problems,” “meaning comes from making a difference, and “be accepting and be accepted.”‘ Vosper says the new community will “distill the best elements of religion in a way that can allow them to be embraced by an increasingly secular world” to foster “the same benefits regular church-goers have experienced.”

Thus, atheist envy continues to expand even though there really is no such thing as an atheist since they know God exists, but use the religion of atheism as a cover because they love their sins. Acknowledging God’s existence means one must come face to face with the idea they need to repent of sin, so they love darkness rather than light lest their evil deeds should be reproved (John 3:19-20). What is really telling about West Hill United Church is the fact that Vosper was not dismissed immediately. That fact, in and of itself, reveals who the church is really about. If they were truly concerned about love for the spiritual wellbeing of the people who attend and about loving God enough to keep his commandments, why would they knowingly allow a wolf in sheep’s clothing–who makes money at their expense–to remain indefinitely among them? Obviously, they don’t care about 1 Timothy 3:2-13 or Titus 1:5-9 which lay out the qualifications for Christian church leaders.

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2 thoughts on “Atheist minister of Toronto “Christian” church to start nonbeliever congregation

  1. It must have been really hard for her to be a closet atheist while serving in the clergy. On the other hand, this is the first time I have heard of an atheist starting a secular congregation similar to a church. I agree that this is, to put it bluntly, really weird, and for me, it makes it seem too much like atheism is just another religion, which, obviously, it is not.

    There is one thing that you said that I disagree with, and that is that all atheists believe in God and love their sin. I don’t even believe in sin. Of course, the existence of God cannot be disproven, but it also cannot be proven. Unless we see evidence, we believe that there is no god. As for loving my sins, while I do not believe in sin, I do believe that we are capable of doing right and wrong. I don’t have a God to report to morally, but I am accountable for my own actions, and they are my responsibility, and when I do wrong, I believe that it is up to me to do what is right, simply because it is the right thing to do. You can read more of my thoughts on this here: https://theclosetatheist39.wordpress.com/2017/01/22/atheism-not-for-the-faint-of-heart/

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    1. @closetatheist,

      [ it makes it seem too much like atheism is just another religion, which, obviously, it is not.]

      religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith ; an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group.

      -ism:a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory.

      Atheism is a system of beliefs and a cause held to with ardor by those who claim to be a part of it. By definition atheism is a religion. You have deceived yourself because you, like so many atheists, have accepted with blind faith what other atheists have told you. I think your lack of knowledge on these basic definitions reveal a lack of not only a handle on etymology but also a lack of critical thinking.

      [I disagree with … that all atheists believe in God and love their sin. I don’t even believe in sin.]

      This is part of your system of beliefs that you hold to with ardor. Therefore, you unknowingly admit you have a religion while you deny it’s a religion. That’s a contradiction. If we apply the philosophical and universal law of noncontradiction (i.e. a statement that contradicts itself cannot be true) to what you’ve said in your comment, you’ve shown yourself to be a liar. You’ve deceived yourself and are attempting to deceive others.

      sin: an offense against religious or moral law; an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible; an often serious shortcoming.

      lie (verb): to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.

      lie (noun): an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer; something that misleads or deceives.

      Based on these definitions, an untruth violates moral laws. Therefore, lying is a sin. Making an untrue statement is a sin. By telling me I’m wrong about atheists, you have accused me (although falsely accused me) of lying. So you have admitted you believe in sin while you deny a belief in sin. You contradicted yourself yet again. Therefore, your statement about sin not existing and that you don’t believe in sin are not true. Sin does in fact exist and you admitted it by your contradiction.

      [I do believe that we are capable of doing right and wrong]

      The idea of right vs. wrong is an automatic, self-evident admission that moral law exists and that to violate that moral law is wrong (it’s a sin). In order to determine right and wrong, there has to be a Higher Power than man that universally establishes the very idea of right and wrong because those ideas could not even exist if that Higher Power (God) did not exist. That’s why I say you atheists really do believe in God. You believe in sin. To deny that is to lie to yourself and others, just like you continue to do in your comment.

      Thank you for leaving your comment. It was really very revealing that you haven’t thought things through and reveals the dangers of listening to atheists. That’s why you need the Lord Jesus in your life. He can free you from your deceptions which are such a downer to the point where they will end up leading you to destruction. Please repent before it’s too late.

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