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Pentecostals help spread Pope’s “We are brothers” message

Pope Francis IPope Francis, like his many predecessors, is attempting to stress the importance that all Christians be drawn into the Roman Catholic Church’s vision of unity. Of course, they don’t like to state this publicly (although the previous Pope, Pope Benedict XVI did), but their version of unity is the false doctrine that all “Christians” should submit to the RCC as the real inheritors of the ministry of Christ and his apostles. Several leaders in the “Protestant” world are more than willing to comply since they want a piece of the Vatican’s New World Order pie. Bishop Tony Palmer of Kenneth Copeland Ministries was excited recently about relaying the video message of his buddy the Pope to his colleagues in a meeting for Copeland Ministries in Texas.

In his statement, the Pope gushed that the “miracle of unity has begun,” which is code for “many evangelicals have accepted the RCC and its Pope as valid Christianity.” Pope Francis then goes on to say that the division between Protestants and Catholics is due to the sin of all parties. When Palmer met with the Pope to record the message, the Pope reassured him that “we are brothers.” Then they entered “a covenant to work for unity for the Church.” Palmer cited a 1999 joint declaration signed by the Lutheran World Federation and the RCC that was a call to the end of the age known as the Protestant Reformation and said he would urge other evangelicals to sign on to it also.

Kenneth CopelandWhen the Pentecostal leaders finished hearing the Pope’s message, Kenneth Copeland stood up and prompted everyone at the meeting to do as the Pope requested and pray for the unity of the faith, then they ended by speaking in tongues. If these Pentecostals claim to be anointed and prophetic, how is it that they are so blind to the true nature of the Vatican and its Pope that is even warned about in Revelation?

The RCC teaches that the Pope is the Holy Father of the church and that Mary is the Mother of the church and Queen of Heaven. The true body of Christ believes our only Father is God himself (Matthew 23:9) and that the New Jerusalem in heaven is our “mother” (Galatians 4:26). People like Kenneth Copeland and other evangelical leaders who wish to compromise this truth have the free will to be deceived about this, but as far as I’m concerned, we aren’t brothers if we don’t have the same spiritual father and mother.

Source: Catholic News Agency. ‘We Are Brothers,’ Pope Stresses In Message To Pentecostals. February 25, 2014.

Harry A. Gaylord

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17 thoughts on “Pentecostals help spread Pope’s “We are brothers” message

  1. Hi Harry

    A thought-provoking article as usual, but I agree with the Pope’s call for Christian unity and disagree with some points you have made. The Pope’s call echoes what St Paul wrote in Galatians 6: “So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.” Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant Christians belong to the same household of faith and we all affirm the same creed, central to which is salvation through Christ alone.

    With regard to Mary, the fact is that she is the mother of our Lord. St Paul writes: “But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” [Galatians 4:4] Luke, writing about Elizabeth, says: “And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me?” [Luke 1:43] Elizabeth’s question indicates a sense of awe and joy, which is explained immediately in the following verse. “For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.” [Luke 1:44]

    Note what Elizabeth says: “when the sound of your (Mary’s) greeting reached my ears…” The Orthodox church calls Mary the Theotokis – god bearer, but quite simply, she is the mother of Christ and her flesh was the flesh wherein Jesus incarnated. It’s not a theological stretch to view Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant between God and man. It’s also reasonable that the early Christians honoured Mary as the mother of their Lord. As Jesus is the head of the church, Mary by default would have naturally been regarded as the mother of the church. More compellingly, in Revelation 12, a woman “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars,” is an obvious reference to the pregnant Mary pursued by the “red dragon” intent on devouring her child. She escapes with the help of the earth and the dragon enraged, goes on “to make war against the rest of her offspring – those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” [Revelation 12: 17]. It seems powerfully clear here that Mary is the mother of the church.

    Furthermore, Jesus presents Mary to his beloved disciple at the cross: “Woman, behold your son!” and to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” From that day on, John took her into his home. Where were Jesus’ blood relatives; brothers or cousins as you prefer? I think this is a significant proclamation from the cross and I don’t think the early Christians overlooked it. If Jesus told St John to honour Mary as his own mother, I think that modern Christians should do the same. This is not worship, but “honouring” your father and mother, which is re-stated by Jesus in all three Synoptic gospels and again by St Paul in Ephesians 6: 1-3.

    How much more than our own mothers should we honour the mother of our Lord? I think it’s fair to say that Mary has been dishonourably sidelined by Protestant congregations. It’s noteworthy that Luther, the father of Protestantism, did not hold this position. Perhaps, sidelining Mary was a modern knee-jerk reaction to an overweening sentimentality of some in the Catholic church, but talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! There are some heretics within the Catholic church who seek to elevate Mary to co-redeemer, but this is obviously wrong as she is human. It is Christ alone (the God-man) who redeems through
    his sacrifice on the cross. Nevertheless, there are heretics in every congregation.

    Remember the parable of the wheat and tares? “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.” [Matthew 13: 24-30]

    Lastly, with regard to God as our only father, this is true in the fullest sense, but Jesus never forbade people to call their human fathers and mothers dad or mom. Neither did he forbid people to call other men or women father or mother or teacher as they fulfilled those roles (spiritually or otherwise). In the verse you quote, Jesus is upbraiding the religious leaders of the day who demanded these titles without fulfilling their responsibilities out of love for God or neighbour. In effect, they were hypocrites. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear
    beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” [Matthew 23: 27-28]

    In conclusion, the Pope is reaching out to all Christians and that is a Christ-like thing to do. Honouring Mary the mother of Jesus is not an obstacle to Christian unity; misunderstanding God’s grace toward her and us is a greater obstacle.

    God bless

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    1. Dean,

      We’ll have to agree to disagree on the points you made. Firstly, you say that heretics are the ones who seek to make Mary co-redeemer with Christ. Were you aware that this is part of the normal teachings within the RCC? Did you know that Pope John Paul II taught this?

      Catholics call Mary the Queen of Heaven, but even in the Old Testament God warned his people away from praising this idol or using this title. The people who persisted in this were idolatrous–

      “16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

      17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

      18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

      19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the Lord: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?” Jeremiah 7

      The “Queen of Heaven” is a pagan reference to Asteroth, also called Isis, Ishtar, and Venus. Easter is named after her.

      Jesus, the Lord himself, squashed any attempts to place Mary on some type of pedestal as you seem to be doing in your comment–

      “27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

      28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Luke 11

      This woman tried to elevate Mary, but Jesus was having none of it and corrected her. Then we have this passage–

      “32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

      33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

      34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

      35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.” Mark 3

      He put every believing woman around him who was older than him on the same level. Mary was not higher.

      [Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant Christians belong to the same household of faith and we all affirm the same creed]

      This is what many evangelicals & religious folks in Christendom have been brainwashed into believing, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. The RCC teaches that salvation=good works + Jesus. The true church of Christ teaches salvation=faith in Christ’s redemptive work alone. The RCC preaches a totally different gospel. Our good works–whether they be baptism, the eucharist, membership in a specific congregation, giving to the poor, etc.–cannot by any stretch save us from sins, as the Catholic Church teaches. I cover all of their false doctrines at length in a previous post at this link, if you care to be enlightened.

      As Paul so eloquently stated,

      “8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1

      The RCC preaches a different gospel and even has a counterfeit Bible that adds to and takes away from God’s word. Not to mention their history filled with the blood of the saints, as Revelation predicted. The RCC has always been and forever will be “Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth,” Revelation 17:5.

      Did you know the Vatican helped Hitler and Mussolini rise to power? Did you know they were the ones who recruited the Jesuit monk Rasputin to bewitch the final Russian czar & his family to fan the flames of discontent that would then bring in their Marxist Bolshevik Revolution? This is just a very small tip of the iceberg of what this organization has done throughout history and too many evangelicals are seduced by the Harlot.

      These are the reasons I could never be the brother of any Pope or anyone who believes in their false doctrines.

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    2. I wouldn’t compare Catholicism and old calendar orthodoxy to be the same in any way. when you say the orthodox call Mary Theotokos i dont see what the problem is there

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  2. The only true unity is the unity among born-again Christians; one Lord, Jesus Christ alone, and faith in Him alone, and believing His Gospel alone. Nothing else. All other “unities” are man-made, satan-inspired nonsense, and very typical of New Age “Oneness.”

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      1. One of the New Age Movement’s (and their friends in “Christians” circles) most prominent slogans: “Unity in Diversity.” What absolute nonsense.
        All we can do is keep on proclaiming the truth: Jesus Christ alone.

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  3. Hi Harry
    I thought long and hard about responding, because the question of Mary can rapidly turn into an issue that deflects from the core truth of salvation through Christ. However, an online article by an atheist that Jesus rejected his mother and brothers to woo the crowd in Mark 3 tipped the scales for a response. He concluded that Jesus’ behaviour isn’t very inspiring and not the kind of role model “America” needs today. As usual, the atheistic argument is beyond weak and completely without merit. Nevertheless, it highlights how quickly these issues can be forced into labour by people with an atheistic axe to grind.
    To recap; Mary is visited by Gabriel who tells her that she has found favour with God and will give birth to the Son of the Most High [Luke 1:26-37]. Upon hearing Mary’s voice, Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit and proclaims: “Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb” [Luke 1: 41-42]. In the gospel of St John, Jesus binds Mary and his beloved disciple as mother and son from the cross. He does not commit Mary to his or her blood relatives. This is interesting because in Mark 3, John is one of the disciples whom Jesus calls “my brothers, and sisters, and mother.” This is the same John who depicts Mary as the woman “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars” in Revelation 12. With these verses in mind how could any Christian dismiss Mary as an unimportant witness in the gospel of Jesus Christ? Not to be worshiped (which neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches teach) but to be respected and loved as the mother of the Christ (the God-Man).
    Remember, the first Adam was created from the earth, but the second Adam incarnated in the womb of Mary. There is a great mystery here which cannot simply be waved away. In light of the above references how can anyone believe that Jesus in Mark 3 is in contradiction to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Luke [Gabriel, Elizabeth] and Revelation [St John]? The Holy Spirit, prompting Elizabeth, did not say “blessed are you among women until other women hear and obey the will of God.” No, she is blessed among women, and not by her own merit, but by the will of God. Mark 3 is neither a rejection of Mary (as atheists claim) nor a dismissal of Mary as unimportant in the gospel of Jesus Christ. She is the mother of our Saviour and should be regarded as blessed among women. God didn’t choose the earth, sky or another woman to carry our Saviour, so that role is decidedly Mary’s by God’s grace to keep forever. Why would any Christian want to deny this? Beats me, because it is part and parcel of the history of God’s saving grace. Mary simply is the mother of our Lord and together with the Holy Spirit we can confidently proclaim “blessed are you among women.”
    Interestingly, Luke 11:27-28 is only an oblique reference to Mary. This first century blessing “blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou has sucked,” refers primarily to the person being addressed, i.e., Jesus himself. In other words the woman is saying, “you are so great that the breasts that nourished you were blessed by you.” The antithesis of this would have been the curse, “cursed are the paps which suckled you (because you are cursed).” Jesus, unlike many of us today, would have recognized this and his response was in keeping with his submission to God, “Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” As usual, Jesus was directing her to the fundamental truth that all blessings originate in God; first to hear and then to keep the word of God.
    As for the RCC teaching that salvation = good works + Jesus, that is disingenuous. Faith in Jesus Christ comes first by the grace of God and good works are the natural fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said, “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. “So then, you will know them by their fruits.“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.” [Matthew 7:15-27]
    What you are suggesting is that just declaring your faith is enough, but St James is quite blunt on this point, “What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? CAN THAT FAITH SAVE HIM? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?” [James 2:14-20]
    James is saying that faith without works is dead and so too is works without faith. Why? Because works without faith means that your motives for doing good are self-serving or what St Paul warns against when he says “Let love be without dissimulation.” [Romans 12:9] Dissimulation is an interesting word because it means to feign or distract another from one’s true intentions. “Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.” [James 2:11-13] Once again, it is quite clear that God will judge us based on how we treat other people; on our actions. Perhaps, we will be saved through repentance and throwing ourselves on the mercy of God, but even so, we will lose our reward and be saved as “one through the fire,” our works burned up and discarded by God as less than worthless.
    Lastly Harry, neither you nor I have any say in the matter of who is our brother or not. That decision is God’s alone.

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    1. [This is the same John who depicts Mary as the woman “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars” in Revelation 12.]

      John never said this was a specific depiction of Mary. That’s just a Roman Catholic eisegesis construct that you & so many others have fallen for in your assumptions. Revelation 12 itself proves this isn’t Mary because this woman flees into the ‘wilderness’ for almost 3 1/2 yrs., was persecuted after Satan was cast to earth, and the earth swallowed up his flood of persecution to keep her safe. Mary didn’t experience any of this. Not only that, but if we take into account the law of first mention found in the Bible, the first place that mentions sun, moon, and stars together is Genesis 37:9, which refers to Israel with the 12 stars being the patriarchs who established the 12 tribes.

      Just because Mary was blessed among women doesn’t make her queen of heaven or the mother of the church. It was an honor for her to carry the Messiah, but didn’t place her on a pedestal above all believers. So try as you may to equate what I said before with what atheists say, your argument falls flat. Jesus made it clear in those passages that deifying Mary and placing her above everyone else was not cool. Your denial that the Catholic Church teaches Mariolatry is also a deception. The fact that they pray the rosary and pray before statues (icons, idols) of Mary proves you wrong.

      [As for the RCC teaching that salvation = good works + Jesus, that is disingenuous.]

      What’s disingenuous is your equating the Biblical teaching that salvation results in good works with the RCC teaching that good works result in salvation. You totally ignored in your argument the teaching that the RCC says keeping their 7 sacraments is what gives a person salvation. I gave the links with all the proof anyone needs in my previous response to your comment. Yet here you are denying the obvious because you, like so many others, have chosen to be deceived and are content with being deceived, all for the sake of kissing up to the scarlet harlot, who will ultimately face God’s judgment during the great tribulation.

      [Lastly Harry, neither you nor I have any say in the matter of who is our brother or not. That decision is God’s alone.]

      If that were true, John would not have been inspired by the Holy Ghost to write the following words:

      In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
      1 John 3:10

      If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 1 John 4:20

      Then we have Paul’s warning about “false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you,” Galatians 2:4-5.

      Paul also made a clear distinction as to who we should not think of as brothers when he said, “For this ye know, that no whoremonger [i.e. a man who sleeps with men or a fornicator], nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them,” Ephesians 5:5-7. Those who have no inheritance in Christ’s kingdom aren’t our brothers and we can tell who they are by their works, which includes their doctrines. The doctrines of the RCC with its praying to dead saints is idolatrous and it’s necromancy, which God hates.

      So although I have no say about who will become my brother by personal salvation, since that is an individual decision a person makes with God’s influence, I do have a say in who I should consider a brother or who to reject as a brother based on their conduct and character. That’s why I reject this Pope and the scarlet harlot who he represents.

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  4. Hi Harry

    Personally, I find your arguments unconvincing and off point. I’m not sure what drives your antipathy for Catholic Christians, but let me leave you with one last thing to think about.

    “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” [1 John 4:2-3]

    Here is the RCC teaching on that issue – taken directly from the catechism on the Vatican’s website.

    [Christ Jesus — “Mediator and Fullness of All Revelation”

    God has said everything in his Word

    “In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son.” Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:

    In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word – and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behaviour but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.

    There will be no further Revelation

    “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.]

    Do you, Harry, see the spirit of the antichrist in that teaching? I don’t. What I do see is your dissimulative attack on Catholic Christians for reasons that still puzzle me. No one can confess that Jesus is the Christ without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Do you deny this? So, when you say the RCC is a harlot you are really saying that what the church teaches is of the antichrist when it really teaches exactly the same thing that 1 John 4:2-3 teaches! You are badly mistaken here.

    In fact, Jesus was accused of driving out demons by the prince of demons at one time, “And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. “If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. “If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished! “But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

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    1. [I’m not sure what drives your antipathy for Catholic Christians]

      That’s because you basically ignored what I said in my previous replies to you. You’ve allowed yourself to be deceived and are content with being brainwashed on this issue.

      [Do you, Harry, see the spirit of the antichrist in that teaching?]

      One has to take the whole of RCC teaching in the context of their whole catechism, which you so conveniently chose to omit. For instance, Catechism 841 says ‘The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”‘ Allah is not the God of the Bible. This is blasphemous. If they truly had the Holy Spirit they would have enough discernment to know that the Lord Jesus, who Muslims and the Koran deny is God, is THE way, THE truth, and THE life and no man gets to the Father except through him.

      Catechism 80 says ‘“Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing and move towards the same goal.” Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own “always, to the close of the age.”’ Catechism 82 then explains further that ‘As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.”’

      So who determines the Tradition? Catechism 85 explains–‘“The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living, teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.” This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.

      They’re teaching Nicolaitanism, a form of gnosticism, claiming that the Bishop of Rome is the only one entrusted with interpreting Tradition. This is blasphemy and yet you attempt to falsely accuse me of blasphemy because you’re sold out to the scarlet harlot. You, like the blasphemous Church of Rome, are caught up in false doctrines and false doctrines are lies, in case you didn’t know. Maybe you should stop playing around with this whore and turn your sights on rightly dividing the word of truth.

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  5. Harry, I haven’t ignored what you have written. I’ve looked at it and found it sadly wanting. Neither have I used ad hominem attacks about brainwashing and the like against you. You can believe what you want about me but you don’t know me. Apart from that, I am answerable to God alone and not to you. You are not infallible Harry, being a simple, perhaps mildly educated man, of a few years old, while the Roman Church has existed for two thousand years since Jesus commissioned Peter and Paul. If I am in error, God will judge me and I pray he has mercy on me and on all of us.

    As far as I’m concerned, Harry, your blog is your god and you cling to it. That’s my impression and I may be wrong, but you tell me? When anyone makes a public statement, they are often forced to defend it to the ends of pride and you do this because your initial statement is a declaration of war not of love. When were you born; in the 70’s or 80’s? And by reading the bible you think you know everything? Have you ever considered that Christians for 2000 years have wrestled with the truth and written about it? You are not the high priest of God, Jesus is.

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    1. [Harry, I haven’t ignored what you have written. I’ve looked at it and found it sadly wanting.]

      That’s interesting since I gave plenty of solid evidence about their doctrines and practices. Since when is praying to statues Christian? Since when are Muslims worshiping Jehovah and not Allah? What’s sadly wanting is your discernment of what’s true and what isn’t based on what the Bible says as opposed to man’s traditions.

      [You can believe what you want about me but you don’t know me.]

      True. But your words reveal your beliefs. “From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks,” Luke 6:45.

      [You are not infallible Harry, being a simple, perhaps mildly educated man, of a few years old, while the Roman Church has existed for two thousand years since Jesus commissioned Peter and Paul.]

      Never said I was infallible or even implied it. However, I do know enough about God and his word to know when the Holy Spirit is sending up a red flag about false doctrines. How long an institution has existed has nothing to do with its credibility. The RCC was only established in the 300s AD by Roman emperor Constantine the Great–another one of your misunderstandings. Peter and Paul had nothing to do with MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The RCC is a continuation of the worship of the sun god Baal (Sol) which was established long ago at the tower of Babel.

      [As far as I’m concerned, Harry, your blog is your god and you cling to it.]

      Dean, you sound really desperate to ding me with this false accusation. What really bothers you is that I know what I’m talking about on this issue and I can disprove your statements with confidence in God and the sword of his word to tear down every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

      […your initial statement is a declaration of war not of love]

      It depends on what type of “love” you’re talking about. I love the Trinity. I love his word. I love his truth. I hate lies. I hate sin. So I point out sin in love so those who participate in it can see the true path and experience true freedom and true love in a true relationship with the true God through the true Son, the Lord Jesus. As opposed to bowing down to a man who worships Mary and encourages people to pray to the dead before worthless idols. The fact you close your eyes to these things reveal where your heart is.

      [When were you born; in the 70′s or 80′s? And by reading the bible you think you know everything?]

      When I was born is irrelevant. How well I know God and his word is what’s really relevant. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works,” 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Maybe some Christians are content to let others talk them into letting their guard down or to drop the sword of God’s word so they can’t judge (discern) between what’s good vs. what’s evil in these last and evil days, but that’s not how I roll. God gave me the full armor and a sword to go with it for a reason. So anyone expecting me to crawl up in a ball of cowardice that says “you’re not supposed to judge or say bad things” will be disappointed with me because that’s not my ministry. “Let God be true and every man a liar,” Romans 3:4.

      [You are not the high priest of God, Jesus is.]

      Maybe you should be telling the Pope and his priests that instead of me since I’m not the one who teaches catechism 1348 which states “the bishop or priest acting in the person of Christ the head (in persona Christi capitis) presides over the assembly…” They lord it over their congregations as if they were Jesus, based on this statement, when the Bible makes clear only Christ is the head (Matthew 23:8-10).

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  6. Harry, what evidence do you have that other people don’t? Catholic doctrine is not a secret. You can get all you need from visiting the Vatican’s website or any other official Catholic resource. That old canard that Catholics pray to statues is still as wrong as it always was. Statues, paintings, stained glass windows are all works of art and were used since early times as evangelizing symbols to many people who were illiterate. The written word is also symbolic, so must I not pray before an open Bible? That is just absurd. Again, Moses lifted a bronze snake in the desert on God’s command and all who looked upon it were healed. The
    bronze snake didn’t heal them, but God did. Is that also idolatry?

    I think your words reveal much about you too, Harry. One of us is right (or perhaps mostly right), but it must be you because you “know enough about God and his word.” Your hubris would be amusing if it wasn’t so destructive. Unfortunately, that’s the problem with many Protestant believers. Everyone is an expert theologian, which figures considering the number of independent churches out there. You don’t like what the Assemblies of God is teaching? No worries, mate, we’ll just start our own church and call it (put your favourite flavour here).

    Only one church has endured since the beginning through good times and bad and that is the Roman Church. Jesus said, “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Well, the gates of hell haven’t prevailed in 2000 years, which is why I brought in the timeline you objected to. You, Harry, are a product of Luther’s protest and once you start protesting, it seems there’s no end to it. So, protest away. In the meantime, you trash the oral traditions and teachings of the church and lead many astray.

    Where do you get this Baal stuff from? One of the detestable things practiced by Baal worshipers was child sacrifice. More than any other Christian congregation, the RCC has fought against abortion and now, believe it or not, the horrific proposals of legal infanticide.

    Nevertheless, you continue to focus on Obama et al and forcing scripture into political developments. This is a huge mistake. America is NOT the world and the Kingdom of God doesn’t give a fig for what America or the NWO plots and plans. God’s promises will be fulfilled; His word does not return empty.

    Your language is also unbelievable. Who “lords it over their congregation?” Have you even met a Catholic priest? I wish I had the Christian patience and humility of those I have met. It seems to me that you are a kind of a “conspiracy theorist” jumping from shadow to wall in case you get zapped or entrapped. Get real, Harry.

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    1. [Catholic doctrine is not a secret]

      That’s why I was able to quote the ungodly catechisms which highlight Catholicism’s false doctrines.

      [Unfortunately, that’s the problem with many Protestant believers. Everyone is an expert theologian]

      So in other words, you would much prefer that understanding of God’s word be reserved for a priestly class who controls everyone else and tells them what and how to think. The priestly class should be the only ones with special knowledge. That’s gnostic thinking in a nutshell with the emphasis on the nut part. You have purported to be some kind of expert in your failed attempts to knock down the truths I speak.

      [Jesus said, “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Well, the gates of hell haven’t prevailed in 2000 years, which is why I brought in the timeline you objected to.]

      This is another one of the RCC’s falsehoods. Since you like to highlight Greek so much, why is it that you overlook it in this case? The true rock upon which the true Christian church is built is Jesus Christ. Jesus actually said, “That thou art Peter (Petros, a small stone or pebble), and upon this rock (petra, a huge boulder or bedrock) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” This was said to Peter by Jesus to address the confession that Peter made about Christ in Matthew 16:16. We have a second witness of what the name Peter means in John 1:42–”And when Jesus beheld him, he said, “Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone [a pebble].” Peter even calls Jesus the rock, or petra, in 1 Peter 2:8.

      [You, Harry, are a product of Luther’s protest and once you start protesting, it seems there’s no end to it.]

      You wish. I’m a product of true salvation through the true Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, I did a post several years ago criticizing what the Reformationists did wrong.

      [you trash the oral traditions and teachings of the church and lead many astray.]

      Wrong again. The RCC holds to the traditions of men as you just admitted. Like Jesus told the religious leaders of his day

      …Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

      Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

      For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

      And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:6-9

      Jesus’ words can be applied to the RCC. Their traditions include the veneration (worship) of saints, angels, and religious relics. You guys disobey what apostles like Paul taught when you pray to Michael the archangel or to dead saints, like Joseph. Praying to a being is the equivalent of worship. Paul told the Colossians (and all believers) not to be involved in angel worship in Col. 2:18, but the RCC worships angels anyway. And the fact that you consider the moon god Allah, that the Muslims worship, as the equivalent of Jehovah speaks volumes about how much of a fake church the RCC really is. She really is a whore, going after other gods like ancient Israel did.

      [Nevertheless, you continue to focus on Obama et al and forcing scripture into political developments. This is a huge mistake. America is NOT the world and the Kingdom of God doesn’t give a fig for what America or the NWO plots and plans.]

      You only say this because you don’t want people to pay attention to how evil the RCC really is in manipulating things on the world stage as predicted in Daniel and Revelation. Keeping people ignorant so you can take advantage of them is the hallmark of how the RCC operates. God in his word gives bullseye accuracy on the ungodliness of the RCC. So lie and deny all you want, but those with godly wisdom can see past the fake outward appearance of MYSTERY BABYLON.

      [Have you even met a Catholic priest? I wish I had the Christian patience and humility of those I have met.]

      Patience and humility? Hardly. Especially since such a huge amount of them are on the prowl for the next person to sexually abuse. Then they can turn to their “superiors” to relocate them when their abuses are discovered. So just how much has the RCC paid out thus far worldwide for the victims of their sexual abuse?

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  7. I gotta say that are well versed in the Bible, and I enjoy your posts. Your posts provide biblical relevance and prophetic insight into modern events. They are not “conspiracy theories” if are supported in light of scripture. It’s sad that people remain blind to everything that the Bible is pointing to, is coming to pass. Religious convergence is satanic and echoes the Tower of Babel event, except they seek to unite ALL nations, ALL peoples and ALL religions. I liked what you said about the durability of institutions means nothing. Sin has been rampant for thousands of years and is only getting more wicked. Keep spreading the word brother, God bless.

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