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Gay Episcopalian praises gay Presbyterians for church confusion

In a speech to the Presbyterian Church (USA) on June 30, Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop of the Episcopal Church, spoke the praises of LGBT people in the PCUSA for their fight to make their sexual sins acceptable. He complimented them for stirring up “enormous confusion” and “holy chaos” in the denomination over sexuality and their push in favor of the acceptance of sodomitic practices.

Robinson then proceeded to make claims such as, “Let’s take the Bible back from those who have taken it hostage,” and “The sin we are fighting in this movement is the notion that it is better to be heterosexual than it is to be homosexual.” He also quoted several scriptures and twisted them to mean God has no problem with sexual sins like sodomy.

Basically, Robinson in his speech revealed who he is really rooting for in the church–Satan. The very first person to ever cause confusion and stir up chaos was Lucifer in his rebellion against God and God’s holy angels in heaven. Satan then moved on to cause confusion in the minds of Adam and Eve that led them to be divided from God. God is not the author of confusion [1 Corinthians 14:33], and confusion only appears when there is a lack of faith in God and in what God says. Since God makes it clear he is against sexual sin like homosexuality, people like Robinson who call for chaos and confusion in the church have shown who their true spiritual father is.

God commanded via Paul, “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience,” [Ephesians 5:6]. That’s exactly what Robinson and those like him do. They use vain words to deceive. The things that bring the wrath of God that Paul was talking about are mentioned in the previous verses. Among them is whoremongering, a term used for men who play the whore with other men.

In the previous chapter of Ephesians, Paul points out that when we understand only the Lord Jesus is head of the church and he works in every member of the church to supply everything the church needs so it can increase and be edified in godly things [Ephesians 4:15-16], then we will not be like other Gentiles, who do the following:

  • They walk in the vanity of their mind. [Eph. 4:17]
  • They have their understanding darkened. [Eph. 4:18]
  • They are alienated from the life of God by their ignorance and blindness of their heart. [v. 18]
  • They give themselves over to lasciviousness (lust without boundaries), all types of uncleanness and greed. [v. 19]

Robinson and those like him are guilty of such things. His idea that it’s a sin to think heterosexuality is better than homosexuality proves he is of the devil since God is the one who created the notion that humans should be heterosexual, not homosexual in Genesis 2. Those in the church promoting such ungodly ideas are like the Jezebel of the church at Thyatira who taught people to fornicate.

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [Romans 1]

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [male prostitute], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [a man who lies with other men], 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [1 Corinthians 6]

Source: Lillian Kwon. Gay Bishop Commends LGBT Presbyterians for ‘Confusing’ the Church on Homosexuality. Christianpost.com. July 2, 2012.

Harry A. Gaylord

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10 thoughts on “Gay Episcopalian praises gay Presbyterians for church confusion

    1. Actually, this type of behavior precedes the Reformation. Roman Caesars & emperors, with the exception of Augustus, were known for their bisexual sinful practices because it was part of Roman culture. When Constantine the Great started the Roman Catholic Church, such practices were continued since the RCC was just a continuation of Roman paganism dressed to look like Christianity. Roman paganism has its roots in Baal worship. Leviticus and Deuteronomy tell us that Baal worshipers committed such sinful sex practices. When we hear about Catholic leaders committing sodomy on each other & on boys, they are continuing the practices of their spiritual ancestors, the Baal worshipers. And Protestant denominations who focus on ecumenism to try to reconcile with the Catholic Church will embrace their practices, including their sexual sins. They’re all giving in to spiritual whoredom.

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  1. In that case, why be Christian? If there is an issue with having to put up with Judas amidst the flock, why not be another faith?

    One Judas, twelve disciples…multiply that by thousands, and you will always have your Judas’ to deal with.

    But why tear apart the unity of a faith just because of that? If Christ chose Judas to be a follower, who are we to say, “Jesus, we know better! If there are Judas’ amongst us, then we must be in the wrong group!”

    If the disciples had had that attitude, Christianity would have broken up the night Judas betrayed Christ and would have never survived.

    Why let somoene elses bad character rob you of the true faith?

    Why offend Christ by calling His church a “whore” just because of HIS choice to allow Judas’ amidst the flock?

    If you ever find the perfect church with all the perfect, sinless members, let me know. I would like to see it. Problem is, this side of heaven it will never be. So some stay strong and stay with Christ, while others bash His faith because of Judas.

    Seems sad to me.

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    1. Catholic Nomad,

      The reason for being Christian has to do with the need to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ for cleansing from sin. That relationship should take place in a Christian’s life apart from a group setting. Jesus Christ is the only way to God.

      You’re right–there will always be Judases. But those of us standing true to God’s word are commanded to contend for the faith [Jude 3] and to reprove the unfruitful works of darkness [Ephesians 5:11]. The Bible gives us example after example that doctrine is more important than “unity.” The world’s understanding of unity is different than God’s. The world thinks unity means compromise to avoid arguments. God’s version of unity is that everyone should uphold the true doctrines taught in the Bible. If someone is teaching against what the Bible teaches, in God’s eyes this means unity has ceased. People are allowed differing opinions of how doctrine may be carried out, but actions in the church should not contradict godly doctrine.

      […If there are Judas’ amongst us, then we must be in the wrong group!” If the disciples had had that attitude, Christianity would have broken up the night Judas betrayed Christ and would have never survived.]

      Your argument is flawed, so you should check your premises. Judas was only with the group temporarily to act as Satan’s agent to cause Christ’s death and Jesus condemned his actions because Judas chose Satan over him [John 6:70; 17:12]. This did not hinder Christ’s ministry because Satan and his agents of sin sooner or later are subtracted from the equation since they aren’t the church. Judas offed himself and left a place for someone righteous to fill it so the ministry could continue. The church is the body of believers, not unbelievers. This shows us that all who oppose Christ in and out of the church will one day be removed, but God expects us to confront and stand against false teachers & prophets in the church as a precursor to what he will do universally on judgment day. That’s why he wrote what he did to the seven churches in Revelation.

      Battling wickedness is part of the church’s calling, regardless of if the wickedness is inside the church or outside it. Fighting false doctrine is not being robbed of true faith, it shows we are exercising true faith. When a church allows sin to go unchecked in the group, they do indeed play the whore or harlot [1 Corinthians 6:15-16] because they are creating a god in their own image, which is idolatry and is cheating on Christ, the bridegroom of the church.

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  2. “This did not hinder Christ’s ministry because Satan and his agents of sin sooner or later are subtracted from the equation since they aren’t the church.”

    Yep. when people sin and fall out of grace they ex-communicate themselves from the body of Christ – and no, a Pope does not do it. A person does it to themselves – the Pope just sometimes points it out to them to remind them of the danger they are in.

    So if you can see that people can ex-communicate themselves from the body of Christ, why leave the body?

    No where in the bible does it say, “now Peter, I am giving you the keys, and in one thousand, five hundred years or so, when protestantism comes along, that will be the true Church that I am going to build on you, the rock. Oh, and FYI: when it keeps splintering into denomination after denomination, and there are over 20,000 different Christian religions, and they are all arguing amongst themselves about who is right, that is really what I was intending to have when I said I would build my church.”

    I am just trying to understand how that argument makes any sense? It is not one that any non-Catholic would say, I know, but by their actions it is what they believe. They truly believe that before the reformation, for one thousand five hundred years or so, everyone who was Christian (i.e. Catholic) was all wrong and in error.

    But that is contrary to scripture, because Christ said “you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church,” which means he got busy building right away, not one thousand, five hundred hears later.

    And as far as having a close, true relationship with God, the Catholics have been at that for millenia. Just read the life of any saint. 🙂 It was never impersonal, but always so intensely personal that I have never found a protestant who can match up to a Teresa of Avila, a John of the Cross, a Francis of Assisi….etc.

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    1. Catholic Nomad,

      Your understanding of Catholicism and how it started and so-called “saints” in the Catholic Church are all based on fairy tales that the Catholic Church made up as it went along. If you read the whole scripture that you’ve assumed tells you that Peter is the rock on which the church is built, you will find that teaching is incorrect.

      13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

      14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

      15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

      16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

      17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

      18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

      19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 16

      In verse 18, Jesus points out the difference between Peter and the rock on which the church is built. Peter’s name is Petros in the Greek. This means “small stone.” Then Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church…” The word for rock in that phrase is petra in the Greek. It means “boulder.” So Jesus wasn’t talking about building a church on Peter, but on what was confessed by Peter–that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is the rock of the true Church–the understanding that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.

      I’m sorry but you have been lied to for all these years in your belief that Catholicism is true Christianity. I know Catholics such as yourself have difficulty putting aside all the falsehoods & traditions you’ve been taught through the years to embrace the truth, but if you want to know the truth about Catholicism, I have a post entitled “Sweet deceptions: Catholicism and Christianity blow-by-blow” that gives Roman Catholicism’s true history. But I warn you, you probably won’t like it. It would probably be much easier for you to just continue believing the lies you’ve been told.

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  3. I have heard all the arguments. I used to not like the Catholic Church (or what I thought was the Catholic Church [big difference]) either.

    But those who do not ex-communicate themselves, and follow the teachings, are the proof in the pudding. Put aside all of the Judas’, because they might be mingling amongst everyone but we already know they are not apart of them since they are not following the teachings.

    But when I look to the ones who did follow the teachings of the Church, I am literally amazed at the depth of the personal relationships that they have had with Christ. The levels of beauty to which their souls are raised is phenomenal. The gates of heaven are thrown wide open to them, and the church does nothing but guide them right through. Nothing is denied them – not sacraments, not sources of strength, nothing.

    By their fruits you will know them, no? If they follow the teachings, and do not stray and become ex-communicated from the body of Christ, and reach such heights, then why bash the teachings? If the teachings got them there, why put them down?

    Anyways, we could go on and on, but what it comes down to is this: you will give me your opinion, and I will give you that of Mother Church that has stood strong for almost 2,000 years. I will not just give my own personal opinion or that of my pastor or some other guy who wrote a book. If we did that, we could splinter into the next milenium because someone else will always come along with some other opinion, and then around we will go again.

    Which brings me back to my original point – if we did not have so much splintering, and had more unity, our world would not be in the state it is in. Divide and conquer always works. The dividing has been going on for centuries – now the conquering is beginning. The state knows this, the enemy knows this, but Christians of all denominations (including many Catholics) do not seem to know it.

    And a lot of people will have to suffer for it as we enter the persecution phase that the world has been plotting against Christianity for centuries.

    But God bless you – I enjoyed debating with you. It is always good to at least be able to have an intelligent debating of ideas with someone who can talk maturely.

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    1. I understand now where you’re coming from. You believe the world’s version of unity should be in the church @ all cost regardless of doctrine. You believe it doesn’t matter that the Catholic Church teaches that Mary is co-redeemer w/ Christ or that it teaches the false doctrine that we are saved by our works. You think it’s ok to ignore the fact Catholic priests are having sex with boys or with nuns since the Catholic Church teaches that it’s the oldest and only true church. You’re comfortable with believing the lie that the Catholic Church began 2000 years ago when it really didn’t start until the 300s AD. I get it now. You came here to promote the lies you’ve been taught by Catholicism by attacking protestants when your church is guilty of the same sins and worse.

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  4. Who said I was attacking?

    If we cannot debate ideas, then why not just come over and be Catholic? No need to debate anymore – one heart and one mind, all that good stuff 😉

    But seriously, we have to be able to exchange ideas if we are not going to share the same authority (i.e. personal opinion versus obedience to a higher authority). We have to because Christ is truth, and he does not have 20,000 different truths. He has one, and if we cannot agree on that authority (self versus higher authority) then dialogue is important.

    Otherwise, the enemy is just sitting on the sidelines laughing and saying “look at all the division! Divide, divide, divide…conquer!”

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    1. Roman Catholicism has never really been interested in exchanging ideas since Constantine the Great started it in the early 300s. If people don’t bend to their will, they have a tendency to use force, extortion, blackmail, murder, torture, and unsound doctrine to get what they want from churches, corporations, governments, and private citizens worldwide. Their history is full of the blood of the saints. What good is it to exchange ideas at the point of a gun? When the apostles preached, they stood on God’s unchanging truth and were focused on getting people to repent of sin so they could be saved and live for God. It wasn’t about debating so compromises could be made regarding the truth.

      Roman Catholicism even has a different Bible which is based on 1% of the total manuscripts (the Alexandrian family of manuscripts) and they teach that the traditions/doctrines of Popes is equal to God’s word. So those who stand on God’s true word will never be accepted by Roman Catholicism, since true Christians believe the Bible is far above any traditions of men, including Popes.

      [Otherwise, the enemy is just sitting on the sidelines laughing and saying “look at all the division! Divide, divide, divide…conquer!”]

      The true church of Christ are those who cling to what the Godhead commands. Even if they fall sometimes, they eventually get back on track. The true church has never been conquered by the forces of darkness. That’s why after all these centuries of being persecuted and martyred, they’re still around. Which takes us back to the verse you quoted earlier about Peter being the rock of the church (which he isn’t). At the end of the verse, Christ promised “…upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” So every time Satan moves in to cause division, he ends up strengthening the church like gold refined in the fire.

      So churches might as well continue to speak against people like Gene Robinson who teach that it’s ok to fornicate. Congregations might as well put a stop to people coming in to “wrest (twist) the scriptures” [2 Peter 3:16] and who give their own private interpretations when no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation [2 Peter 1:20].

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