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Is the Trinity really all that important?

I recently read a letter a columnist got from a man claiming he was Lutheran with “sound religious faith.” But there was one problem the letter writer just couldn’t reconcile or understand. How is it possible, he wondered, that God is a Trinity? So he drew the conclusion that he would only pray to God since he couldn’t understand all the talk about “the other two” and figured that was the way to go since we were to only have one God.

So how important is the concept of the Trinity to the Christian faith? Is it necessary to understand everything about the Trinity to accept that there is a Trinity? Firstly, I have to say that not fully understanding a concept does not mean that one has to completely dismiss it. We humans are finite in our knowledge and can’t possibly know everything there is to know about our world or the universe, much less an infinite God, yet there are many things we accept without fully understanding them.  For example, we know there are black holes out in space but we don’t understand fully how they are formed or all of their properties and abilities. But we surmise, from what scientists have told us, that they are massive and powerful and we assume many of them were formed by the gravitational collapse of enormous stars, although this has never been proven. Despite the fact we only know a fraction of what there is to know about black holes, and add to that the fact what we do know about them most of us don’t understand it all, do we completely dismiss the fact that the holes in space are black? Of course not.

Then why is it that people use such bad logic to dismiss the fact that God is a Trinity? We don’t accept it in other areas of life, but for some reason it’s okay to accept such a weak argument pertaining to God, who is more powerful  and complex than anything that exists on Earth or in the universe. In the same way we can grasp the importance or significance of holes that are black in outer space, but we may not grasp the complete nature of those holes, we ought to be able to grasp the importance or significance of one God who is a Trinity even if we may not totally grasp the entire nature of the Trinity. Now if you substitute the term oceans, or plate tectonics, or stars in the previous sentence wherever I make reference to black holes, you can see the full effect of what I’m saying.

The Trinity is a package deal. If you call yourself a Christian, you have to accept the fact God has always been and will always be a Trinity. We see all of them throughout the whole Bible. The Trinity is even included in the first mention of God in Genesis–“In the beginning God created…” The Hebrew word for God being Elohim, which is both plural and singular at the same time. In Genesis 1:2, God the Spirit moved on the face of the waters. And in Colossians 1:15-16, we are told that Jesus

is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So Jesus is the Creator, just like God the Father and God the Spirit are.

God even refers to himself in the plural when he said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…” Genesis 1:26. God the Father and God the Son show up in Psalm 110 where David was prophetically shown “The LORD [Jehovah] said unto my Lord [Adonai], Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” In the New Testament we see that God the Son sits at the right hand of God the Father.

Here are the scriptures that tell us the Trinity is a package deal:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

…all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

And finally, the scriptures say that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus raised himself from the dead, and the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead [Galatians 1:1, John 10:17-18, Romans 8:11]. Bottom line–those who won’t accept the Trinity cannot be true believers.

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6 thoughts on “Is the Trinity really all that important?

  1. What do you say to those who assert that the Doctrine of the Trinity was written back into the Bible? That is to say, the doctrine is applied backwards in the past where it did not originate or exist at that time?

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    1. I would say their assertions are based on fallacy. The Masoretic text that is the basis for the OT has never been proven to have been tampered with & was painstakingly preserved by Jewish scribes, many of whom would not have placed any Trinitarian doctrine into their Tanakh.

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  2. “The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6”.Have you notice that Jesus christ is not call Almighty but mighty showing his inferiority hence is not equal to his father and will never be.
    “The LORD [Jehovah] said unto my Lord [Adonai], Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”Psalm 110. Here we see that Jehovah commanded(has authority over Jesus(Lord) to sit at his right hand.If they were equals this will not happen and no where in the Bible have we seen Jesus commanding the father like this.He always plead prayerfully.
    And in Colossians 1:15-16, we are told that Jesus

    is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    He is called firstborn of every creature,meaning he was created first just like the firstborn in a family refers to the child born first.
    When God said let us make man in our image at Genesis he was refering to Jesus whom he had first created and this Jesus serve as a master worker with.
    Please prayerfully examine your bible.TRINITY doctrine is FALSE,a religious and paganistic,Has root in ancient Babylon,Egypt and find its way throught the philosophy of men during the great apostasy period that Paul warned the early christian about in his epistle.philobet@yahoo.com

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    1. Philip,
      What’s false is your denial that Jesus is God and is part of the Trinity. It is YOUR false belief that is rooted in Babylon. You are of your father the devil and just like him you masquerade as a messenger of righteousness when you are full of darkness. Paul actually warned us about people such as you and he acknowledged that Jesus is the Lord God. Paul said, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” The word “Lord” refers to God in heaven in the New Testament as established by the law of first mention. Matthew 1 uses the same word for the Lord God in heaven who sent his angel to speak to Joseph and used the word “Lord” to refer to a prophecy God revealed in the Old Testament that was being fulfilled by circumstances surrounding Christ’s coming as a baby born to a virgin. You’re completely deceived.

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  3. @ Harry A.Gaylord:

    Actually, Philip Herbert is absolutely correct in his response to you.

    My comment covers not only your error of following the RC Trinity Doctrine, but also the false doctrine of Oneness. However, I would like to state that I am not a JW, Pentecostalist, Baptist, SDA, RC, Charismatic, or any of the other church denominations- I am simply a christian of the body of Christ.

    Your Triune God is nothing but a figment of your imagination, nowhere to be found in the Bible, the concept unheard of by the apostles and the early church fathers up until at least the second century.

    Acts 2:22-24 KJV:

    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    Also

    Acts 3:13-15 KJV:

    13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

    14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

    15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

    Also, the Father’s involvement in Jesus’ birth in the flesh:

    Acts 7:37 KJV

    37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

    John 5:26-27
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself:
    27 And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man.

    (PLEASE NOTE: God the Father ‘GAVE the Son life, He GAVE the Son power, He GAVE the Son the authority to Judge..’ because the Son is lesser to the Father. If he was not, he would have no need to be given these! Someone who gives another authority to do things is obviously greater than the other.)

    John 1:18
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    John 5:30-37
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    30 I cannot of myself do any thing. As I hear, so I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
    31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
    32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
    33 You sent to John, and he gave testimony to the truth.
    34 But I receive not testimony from man: but I say these things, that you may be saved.
    35 He was a burning and a shining light: and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light.
    36 But I have a greater testimony than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to perfect; the works themselves, which I do, give testimony of me, that the Father hath sent me.
    37 And the Father himself who hath sent me, hath given testimony of me: neither have you heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    Please note verses 30-32. Jesus has a separate will from the Father.He is not and cannot be the same person.

    Please note that Verse 37 is repeated again in John 1:18 (above) and that Jesus was ‘sent’. In order to send someone, the person who does the sending must be in authority, or else the person would not be ‘sent’ but would have gone of his own accord.

    John 8:14-18
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    14 Jesus answered, and said to them: Although I give testimony of myself, my testimony is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go: but you know not whence I come, or whither I go.
    15 You judge according to the flesh: I judge not any man.
    16 And if I do judge, my judgment is true: because I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
    17 And in your law it is written, that the testimony of two men is true.
    18 I am one that give testimony of myself: and the Father that sent me giveth testimony of me.

    @Harry-Therefore, please note: Jesus and the Father are not the same being, and are not co-equal.

    John 14:10 KJV:

    Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    John 17:3:

    3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    Matthew 16:16-17 KJV:

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    John 10:33-36 KJV:

    33 The Jews answered him, saying , For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said , Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came , and the scripture cannot be broken ;36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified , and sent into the world , Thou blasphemest ; because I said , I am the Son of God?

    Please note, you are incorrect when you say Jesus (or ‘Yahshua’ in Hebrew) is Yahweh, the Father.

    Jesus never said he is the Yahweh, the Father God Almighty, he said he is the Son of God.

    Neither is Jesus equal to the Father.

    John 14:28
    You have heard that I said to you: I go away, and I come unto you. If you loved me, you would indeed be glad, because I go to the Father: for the Father is greater than I.

    @Harry, what part of the above sentence did you not understand?

    Do you not understand what ‘greater than’ means? Jesus is saying that he is not as great as his Father. Therefore his Father is greater than him. Therefore the Son is less than the Father. Would you agree?
    But the RC Trinity doctrine says that the Father and the Son are co-equal? Therefore, who is the Liar? Is Jesus a Liar or is the RC Trinity Doctrine a Lie? Please answer this!

    John 20:17
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.

    @Harry- Do you agree that this means that Jesus has a God, and the God of mankind is His Father?

    Whatever glory Christ has is given him by the Father, in that the Father has given judgement to Jesus, so that all men should honour the Son as they honour the Father (John 5:23). But this does not make Jesus ‘The Almighty’. This title is not shared in Revelation, but is solely reserved for the Father, which again confirms Isaiah, that the Almighty will not give his glory to another, the glory being in the title. Yes, in Revelation, Jesus is divine, but he is not the Almighty.

    Authority, power and judgement were all GIVEN to Christ by the Father, God Almighty.

    Please do read and understand 1 Corinthians 15:23-28. This is only confirmed in Revelation when one acknowledges that Jesus is the Son, and that Yahweh the Father, is God Almighty. They cannot be each other.In Revelation 3:12, Jesus says he has a God four times! Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes the book from Yahweh’s hand. As we know, scripture cannot be overturned and will not contradict itself. God is not the author of confusion.

    In John 10:30 Jesus says ‘I and the Father are one’. The context in the books of John was to indicate unity, that they are of the same accord, that they are in agreement. It follows on from Jesus praying to his Father that his followers will be one as he and his Father are one, that is, unified, and not the same being!

    John 17:11 KJV

    11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    The Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine says that the Father and the Son are equal and the same.
    So, is Jesus praying to himself here? But then he uses ‘we’, and not ‘I am’- see what confusion the RC trinity doctrine creates? But God is not the author of confusion.In actual fact the context is one of agreement or of one accord. See for yourself:

    John 17:21 KJV

    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    John 17:23 KJV

    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    Now let us look at some more sayings of Jesus:

    John 12:44-45 KJV

    44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
    45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

    Here, someone who believes the words of Jesus believes the words of the Father who sent him. Here, someone who sees the actions of Jesus, sees the actions of the Father who sent him. Remember, Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the Father. This does not mean that he is the Father himself! Scripture and the Gospel will never contradict itself.

    If you say that Jesus is Yahweh, the Father, then you have denied them both. You are denying the testimony each gives of each other. Do you understand what this means? In effect, you have nullified them both and created a false God. Please check this out, you are in gross error.

    If you say that Jesus is God the Father, and not His Christ, the Son of God, then you will die in your sins (John 8:24)

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    1. Shailin,

      No matter how many scriptures you quote and then give your commentaries based on your eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what you want to get out of them), you’re wrong. You err, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God. All of the scriptures in John you quoted out of context. The first chapter of John sets the context for the rest of the book–“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The Word, i.e. Jesus Christ, was God.

      Not only do you not have understanding of the Bible, you don’t know your church history. The doctrine of God as 3-in-one was understood by 2nd century believers, way before Constantine started Roman Catholicism in the 300s AD. Believers like Irenaeus, Ignatius of Antioch, Tertullian, and others expressed their belief that Jesus is God and what they said about the Trinity is at this link. Throughout the New Testament God the Father is called the Lord and throughout the New Testament Jesus Christ is called Lord. Jesus even calls himself the Almighty in Revelation 1, a term always used for God.

      I have covered at length in this post that the concept of the Trinity was in the Old Testament. Then when you add to the fact that Jesus made physical appearances to various believers throughout the Old Testament, and was even worshiped by them, your arguments and verbose misquotes of the scriptures reveal that you have no understanding of the Godhead.

      God leaves his trinitarian mark all over creation. Humans are three in one–body, soul, spirit. Plants are three in one–roots, trunk, branches. The Earth is three in one–crust, mantle, core. Cells are three in one–nucleus, cytoplasm, and membrane. Just because your finite mind can’t fully understand God doesn’t give you the right to put God in the box of your limited understanding.

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