In the previous post, I discussed some of the statements and doctrines made by Masons in comparison to God’s word. I will now discuss some Masonic practices to measure them against the Bible. The practices of the Freemasons are many and are given various meanings at the lower degrees to hide their true meanings which are often only disclosed when one reaches the 33°.
The use of symbols
Here are a few of the symbols with their meanings:
- Compass & square: Masons at lower degrees are told that the square symbolizes the squaring of his actions and the compass is to make sure he stays within the boundaries of mankind and fellow Masons. The “G” in the middle stands for God who shows us the light so we can accomplish these goals. As a whole, the symbol stands for the point within the circle.
According to Albert Mackey, the Master Mason, “The point within the circle is an…important symbol in Freemasonry…The symbol is really a beautiful but somewhat abstruse allusion to the old sun-worship, and introduces us for the first time to that modification of it, known among the ancients as the worship of the phallus.” (Mackey, Albert. The Manual of the Lodge. New York: Clark Maynard Co., 1870, p. 156) So in reality the compass & square are symbolic of the male and female sex organs coming together to form the “G” which is the “generative principle”, i.e. sexual intercourse. Since there is an emphasis on sexual intercourse, is it any surprise that men in Masonic organizations like the Shriners have been rumored as committing sexual harassment against women?
- Baphomet, the horned god: Masons claim they inherited this symbol from the Knights Templar (who fought in the religious, ungodly wars of the Crusades on behalf of the Vatican). The Templars claimed that Baphomet taught them the secrets of magic which enlightened them.
As you can see from the picture, this so-called horned god is the same as the well-known goat’s head used by Witches and Satanists. In Jesus’ parable, the sheep were separated from the goats on Judgment Day and the goats were the ones who were rejected and sent to hell.
- The pentagram, or five-pointed star: This is symbolic of the five points of fellowship in Freemasonry. However, the pentagram is a prominent fixture in occultic practices. In reality, the pentagram refers to “the law of fives.” This law of fives appears in two different forms of two orders within the Masons. In the order of the Palladium, there are five steps in their program, namely:
Adoption: fellowship with Lucifer by an oath
Illumination: to open oneself to psychic powers by using drugs and the occult
Conversation: communicating with the dead (necromancy)
Congress: being joined in spiritual marriage to the dead (possession by an evil spirit)
Union: being totally controlled by an evil spirit
In the Order of the Illuminati there are five stages that they try to control human history with: (1)Chaos: no set order, (2) Discord: a class arises to seek control, (3)Confusion: making attempts to resolve conflicts between stages 1 and 2, (4) Bureaucracy: the obsession of monitoring everything in a society, and (5) Aftermath: the decline of society that leads back to stage 1.
- All-seeing eye: Freemasons claim this is the eye of God, who is always watching us and sees everything we do. This eye is actually part of step 2 of the Palladium mentioned above which teaches that to open the Third Eye (the Ajna chakra in Hinduism), one must use drugs and learn the occultic methods of the Illuminati. When this eye is opened, the person becomes psychic and has open fellowship with Lucifer.
- Unfinished Pyramid with the All-seeing eye: This symbol on the back of our dollar bills is borrowed from the mysticism of ancient Egypt, referring to the eye of an Egyptian deity. It has been called the “Eye of Providence”. To the higher Masons, it denotes the Masonic hierarchy with those who have been illumined (Illuminati) to Lucifer’s power at the top. The unfinished pyramid means that the ultimate goal of the freemasons (one world government with a one world religion) has not been accomplished yet. On our dollar bills, you will notice at the bottom of the pyramid is 1776 in Roman numerals. That date is actually referring to the year the Illuminati began which happens to be the same year the founding fathers declared independence from Britain. “Annuit Coeptis” means “He [Providence] favors our undertakings.” “Novus Ordo Seclorum” means “new order of the ages.” The U.S. government in February 2008 tried to debunk the idea that the seals on the back of the U.S. dollar are masonic in nature, but our government has been known to follow the policy of “lie and deny” when it suits them. There are too many coincidences occurring in these symbols for them to be non-conspiratorial and non-Masonic.
It’s obvious that these symbols are adopted from pagan practices and are anti-Christian in nature.
The use of oaths
Before joining the Masons, the person is told by the Master of the Lodge while blindfolded and dressed in tattered clothes symbolizing slavery, “Mr. so-and-so, before you can be permitted to advance any farther in Masonry, it becomes my duty to inform you that you must take upon yourself a solemn oath or obligation, appertaining to this degree, which I, as Master of this Lodge, assure you will not materially interfere with the duty that you owe to your God, yourself, family, country or neighbor. Are you willing to take such an oath?” (Duncan, Malcolm C. Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor. New York: David McKay Co., Inc., p. 33)
If he agrees, he ends his oath by saying, “All this I most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, with a firm and steadfast resolution to perform the same…binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in 24 hours, should I ever knowingly violate this…obligation.” (Duncan, Malcolm C. Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor. New York: David McKay Co., Inc., pp. 34-35) In other words, “if I break my oath, you have my permission to murder me.”
When someone reaches the Royal Arch degree, he vows “I will keep all the secrets of a Companion Royal Arch Mason (when communicated to me as such, or I knowing them to be such), without exceptions. …I will not speak evil of a Companion Royal Arch Mason, behind his back nor before his face, but will appraise him of all approaching danger, if in my power. …[I will] employ a Companion Royal Arch Mason in preference to any other person of equal qualifications.” (Duncan, Malcolm C. Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor. New York: David McKay Co., Inc., pp. 229-230)
Jesus said, “…ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all…But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” (Matthew 5:33-34, 37)
“Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.” Matthew 23:10. There’s one Master and he’s definitely not the Master of the Lodge.
Furthermore, it’s clear these oaths are contradictions and lies. When he is first initiated, the person is told he will not have to materially interfere with anyone by his oath. Then at the end of his oath, he gives them permission to kill him. Isn’t that a material interference? Additionally at the Royal Arch oath he has to keep secrets no matter what (another material interference if someone has been harmed) and he promises to show favoritism in his hiring practices (which is another blatant material interference on a non-Mason’s life). Apparently the oaths don’t mean much if you can break them by using another oath.
Taking into account these practices by the Freemasons which fly in the face of God’s word–teaching people to embrace paganism, lies, favoritism, and deceptive practices–how can a Christian remain involved in such an organization? Could they use the excuse that the Lodge is a big help to them in getting to know important people? Should they be a part of it because its family tradition?
Jesus said, “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26
“But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.” 1 Corinthians 10:20-21
Therefore, a Christian who is giving his sacrifices of money, time, and other resources to the Lodge is fellowshiping with devils and needs to examine himself. If he is truly of God, he will not continue to allow anyone or anything jeopardize his relationship with God. Freemasonry is about being the slave of Lucifer, otherwise known as Satan.
Source: Schnoebelen, William. Masonry: Beyond the Light. Ontario, CA: Chick Publications, 1991.
–posted by Harry A. Gaylord–
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Please could you point me to the source of your claim that “Baphomet, the horned god: Masons claim they inherited this symbol from the Knights Templar “.
I’m not aware of any symbolism in any masonic ritual remotely similar to this.
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The source for my research is listed at the end of this post above. Baphomet is also discussed in Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor.
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In which chapter is Baphomet referred to in Duncan? I’m googling but not finding it.
Thanks.
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I’ve just found this page: http://www.masonicinfo.com/schnoebelen.htm which states that your source Schnoebelen’s claims are based on the Leo Taxil hoax.
For more on Leo Taxil see http://www.masonicinfo.com/taxil.htm
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Attacking sources that one doesn’t agree with is typical and unconvincing, especially when it comes to freemasons since they take oaths to protect their secrecy at any cost–lies included. Could you provide me with quotes from freemasonry rituals and teachings to prove them wrong? Oh, I forgot! You have to keep those things secret!
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You said “Baphomet is also discussed in Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor”. All I did was ask where it was discussed. I honestly can’t find a reference to it; I’m not lying to you. I really want to know where that reference is! Please tell me.
Perhaps you are mistaken and it’s not there?
How do you *know* that Freemasons “take oaths to protect their secrecy at any cost–lies included”? It’ s news to me and I’ve been a mason for thirteen years! Oh, but I haven’t reached the higher degrees where where that happens yet… I know the drill. But you, presumably a non-mason, know that higher degree masons do take such oaths? – amazing!
If you want copies of current masonic ritual they are freely available to (to non-masons too!) at masonic suppliers in the UK. You can buy them on the web. Possibly in the US too, but I believe each state varies.
By the way what do you think of http://www.masonicinfo.com/schnoebelen.htm ?
Regards.
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monnowman,
I apologize. I gave you the wrong source for Baphomet. The actual source is Hall, Manly P. The Secret Teachings of All Ages, and Encyclopedia Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, Los Angeles, The Philosophical Research Society, 1978, p. ci.
Manly P. Hall died in 1990 and was highly spoken of in the obituary printed in the November 1990 issue of Scottish Rite Journal.
I’m not convinced by the statements made in the links you sent about Schnoebelen. Freemasonry from my perspective always has ulterior motives and are too sneaky for me to trust.
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i believe in all what u said !!!!
and the resources simply from the ex-freemasons’s books as well as what we got out of the freemasons …
some how they start to see a control in media , Movies … i count over 100 movies!!!!!!
in arabic land they were pioneers since 1968 in making political stressed …… and bringing confusion to the streets ……
some how my family is hunting down information on them, having titles on them since 1881 …… the list now is expanding to control many Arabic media and channels and newspapers …..
now they control the infrastructure of many arabic countries that are powered by the USA …
I like almost 90% of your article
and have to search to know about the rest …. ( because my freemasonry knowledge focuses on the Middle east )
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Hello Harry,
“Baphomet, the horned god: Masons claim they inherited this symbol from the Knights Templar”
In which publication by (or authorised by) a regular masonic organisation (i.e. Grand Lodge) is this claim made?
Please provide a specific quotation from such a publication that backs up this claim. You must be able to, otherwise you would not, surely have made this assertion?
Hall was not a spokesman for Freemasonry and his books were not “masonic” in the sense of being commissioned or authorised by any regular masonic body. Hall’s books were published in a personal capacity and many of his most popular works (indeed, I think, the one you quote from) were published long before he became a Freemason. The Secret Teachings of All Ages is not a masonic publication.
Ironically, the chapter in “The Secret Teachings” which he discusses “Baphomet” is one on the subject of “Ceremonial Magic and Sorcery” in which Hall warns readers of the dangers of becoming involved in magic, a sentiment which I’m sure you will share.
He makes no link in this chapter between Baphomet and Freemasonry, although he does between Baphomet and the Templars.
The whole “Templars were the precursors of Freemasonry” theory has not, by the way and to my knowledge, been accepted as plausible by any serious (i.e. impartial and academically respected) historians of Freemasonry.
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[In which publication by (or authorised by) a regular masonic organisation (i.e. Grand Lodge) is this claim made?]
I’ve given you several sources in prior comments, but all you do is lie, deny, or make feeble attempts to refute reliable sources so giving you sources is pointless.
[Hall was not a spokesman for Freemasonry]
No one is truly a spokesman for masons in the sense that you use the word “spokesman.” It’s a secret organization that does not have press releases or press conferences about what they do behind the scenes. You aren’t a spokesman either so why should I believe what you say? The only “spokespeople” they have are the ones trying to recruit others for their organization.
[Hall’s books were published in a personal capacity and many of his most popular works (indeed, I think, the one you quote from) were published long before he became a Freemason]
Once again, a pointless argument. Hall, while doing his research, was being recruited by masons and eventually converted. Can you provide proof that he ever recanted his pre-Mason works? Is there tangible proof he was required to denounce those works before joining the lodge? If his works were suspect, as you imply, why was he allowed to become a 33° mason? Why was he so highly spoken of and regarded in a Masonic publication that gave his obituary?
[Hall warns readers of the dangers of becoming involved in magic]
So what? Witches on a regular basis warn people who want to become witches about the same thing. All this implies is that the higher ranks of Masonry where ceremonial magic occur is for those who are mature enough to handle it. In other words, it’s for those who are ascended masters in the craft so those who desire such things should be careful how they approach it. That’s the message being conveyed and it is not a statement saying that no one should ever be involved in it, as stated in the Bible.
[He makes no link in this chapter between Baphomet and Freemasonry, although he does between Baphomet and the Templars.]
A majority of the documents originating with the Knights Templar were destroyed to preserve their secrecy. There may not be a clearly stated link, but the implied theme of his book is that the philosophies/religions he discusses have impacted and influenced each other.
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“I’ve given you several sources in prior comments, but all you do is lie, deny, or make feeble attempts to refute reliable sources so giving you sources is pointless.”
Being rude to me (calling me a liar) isn’t an argument.
It seems very simple to me:
I asked you to provide specific documentary evidence for your statement “Baphomet, the horned god: Masons claim they inherited this symbol from the Knights Templar”.
You have not (I’ve looked back through our discussions, honestly) provided evidence of this.
Please provide a quotation to back up this claim or acknowledge that it was an honest, straightforward mistake and withdraw it from your blog.
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My statement about giving you several sources is not rude. It’s just a statement to let you know that I’m aware of what your game is. You ask for quotes and sources, then when I supply them you make statements like, “They’re not spokesmen for the Masons,” or some other rubbish.
My statements are true and there is no need for me to withdraw anything I’ve said here. You, being a Mason, have taken oaths to lie if necessary to protect your secret organization. That makes you a liar. I don’t have to call you one. The oaths you take prove that you are.
I noticed you’re sidestepping the questions I raised in my previous comment to you about Manly P. Hall. Could it be that you have some fear going on in the back of your mind that what I’ve said here is true? Has your conscious been pricked by the truths I’ve said here and so out of fear you’re trying to discredit me? There’s a saying that says something to the effect that if you throw a handful of stones at a pack of wild dogs, the one that yelps the loudest is the one that gets hit the hardest. Maybe that’s you.
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Harryagaylord, as a professional researcher I find your arguments very ineffective.
You certainly make a very poor argument that masons claim they inherited Baphomet from the Knights Templar. You say that “I’ve given you several sources in prior comments” but I can only find two:
1. Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor. However you go on to say “I apologize. I gave you the wrong source”
2. Hall, Manly P. The Secret Teachings of All Ages,
So let’s recount, you only gave one actual source not several.
From this we can deduce that either your ability to count is somewhat limited (this is nothing to be ashamed of but does not bode well for your credibility); or you were deliberately trying to hide the truth.
You then go on to say “My statements are true”. However, we have already deduced that you either have no credibility or you deliberately hide the truth. In addition, you have not supplied sufficient evidence to backup your claims as being true.
I am sure that you believe they are true, but you are not able to prove that they are true: one book does not really make compelling evidence.
Until you can find multiple primary sources, that have been independently verified, to backup your claim you really should amend your statement to read something like this…
“Manly Hall, who was not a mason, claimed that masons inherited Baphomet from the Knights Templar. However, he thought so well of masons that he later went on to become a mason himself. Furthermore, I am unable to provide any other sources that support the idea that masons inherited Baphomet from the Knights Templar.”
If you would like any other pointers about researching a topic then I suggest you have a look at the Market Research Society website, as it has a great deal of useful information that the amateur researcher can learn from.
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I seriously doubt you’re a “professional researcher.” You’re a Mason who’s angry that I’ve brought to light some of the dark teachings that the Masons promote.
I’ve given you the Schnoebelen, Duncan, and Hall sources–witnesses who were high ranking Masons. Because Schnoebelen renounced his involvement with the organization, you people try to claim he is not a reliable source when he is. Then you tried to claim Hall was not a reliable source when he was highly respected and his works, whether pre- or post-masonic, have never been recanted.
You people will stop at nothing to try to defend your religion–including lying. You accuse me of hiding the truth when you’re the ones who hide it. How hypocritical. If I gave you 100 indisputable sources, you would dispute them all with your worthless arguments. That’s why I’ve given enough sources and will give no more regarding Baphomet. I don’t have to jump through your hoops since I’m not one of your Masonic slaves. I’ve done thorough research on them and I don’t need you to tell me how I should word what I’ve researched.
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I just stumbled across this site while doing research, and I have to say that everything you “know” is brainwashing b——t. Excuse my language, but I don’t know how to put it. It looks like you just made all that suff up. You’re so called research is one sided and ignorant. If you want to know what symbols and phrases mean, why don’t you actually ask someone who knows? You’re “christain values” aren’t exactly research. Just because one stupid group misuses symbols and tells people to do drugs doesn’t mean that is what those symbols represent. Get your facts straight, because some day there won’t be a flock of ignorant sheep for you to spread your lies to.
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Oh, and it’s no nice of you to censor the responses. It really makes for a “fair and balanced” viewpoint.
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A. Pagan,
I find your response interesting. My facts are very much in order because I did extensive research on this topic. I guess I can understand how you would accuse me of giving false information. When people are confronted with the truth about things that hit close to home, they feel threatened and tend to lash out just as you’ve done. The truth hurts.
But since you’ve provided no reliable sources of your own to counter what I’ve said and you won’t provide a real name as opposed to your alias, why should anyone believe your comments? You even said it “looks like you made all that [stuff] up,” which points out the fact that you’re assuming that I’m lying but you really don’t know because you haven’t done enough research to know what the truth is. The bottom line is you hate truth, God, and Christianity because they all go against the ideas you cling to.
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I was just passing and read some of the stuff above. My great-grandfather was the Grand Master of the Coronation Lodge before becoming part of the Knights Templar Lodge… In your view, how did his position fit into the grand scheme of things? Are you aware of these lodges?
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In the American Freemasonry system, there are two main bodies–the York rite and the Scottish rite. The Knights Templar is the highest point in the York rite body of American Freemasonry and is the equivalent of a Grand Sovereign Inspector General (the 33rd degree) in the Scottish rite. I don’t know what the Coronation Lodge is.
A person who is initiated into the Knights Templar must make five libations and the fifth libation is drunk out of a human skull when the initiate states “as the sins of the whole world were once visited upon the head of our Savior, so may all the sins of the person whose skull this once was, in addition to my own, be heaped upon my head, and may this libation appear in judgment against me, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate my most solemn vow of a Knight Templar, so help me God …” Such an oath goes against what the word of God teaches.
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Interesting.. He was a mason from England. If he was a Master at the top of his lodge and then became a templar mason, how connected might that have made him? To what extent might he have known masonic secrets?
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If he was a Knight Templar, he was in almost as deep as you can go. People this involved are pretty hardened against the truth of how evil freemasonry is and are usually only enlightened if God by his power and grace opens their eyes, which can lead them to repentance.
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So do you think masons are evil or just mixed up in something bad? Do you hate them or feel sorry for them? If a Templar is almost as deep as one can go, what are they in to? Something serious or just delusion?
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I believe all of mankind has an evil nature in comparison to God’s standards. That’s why we all need Jesus. Freemasonry is a man-made organization that promotes ideas that are in opposition to God’s word while claiming it is in agreement with God’s word.
I don’t hate Masons. I hate the ideas they espouse and my prayer is that as many as possible that are involved in it will come to know the REAL light, who is the Lord Jesus Christ, not the shroud of secrecy that surrounds masonic lodges. Jesus loved everyone who will ever walk this Earth and died for the sins of all mankind, so if I’m a Christian, hating other humans would be anti-Christian.
If someone is a Mason, no matter what level, they are blinded by the false doctrines of the Lodges. Someone who is in the upper eschalons of the organization has been exposed to a greater amount of false doctrines and has accepted them as truth, making themselves more hardened against accepting the real truth of God’s word. But, thank God, his word is more powerful than any false doctrine that can be conjured up and is strong enough to soften even the hardest heart if one realizes the error of one’s ways.
A Templar knows what the symbols and secrets are that someone lower would not know. So they would know that the god behind Freemasonry is Satan himself, but they are so delusioned that they call good evil and evil good.
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You make a good argument. I am a 32nd degree Mason, Shriner, Knights Templar and a Christian and can say from experience alot of your “facts” are not facts at all. I would like to talk to you offline if that’s okay with you.
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Well, since the Pike book on dogma is online to read, I read a lot of it. It is pretty clearly saying all religions are the same, and to understand them, consult the sohar which is a cabalah text. I’m not sure what part of that a “christian” wants to defend?
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I can to some degree agree with some of the dissatisfaction to sources, i.e. proof mentioned above.
Having said, I would like to bear witness to the truth of the statements which you (from an objective standpoint) have not fully backed with sources. The fact is, you’re assertions are 100% correct. Yes, again 100% correct. I could swear under oath (no pun intended) that you are speaking the truth. This truth is rarely made available to individuals in or outside of the organization, so too, I was a bit curious about how you came to these conclusions but regardless, you are accurate. Any memeber of the Mason body should be made aware of three points 1) what you are being taught and your understanding of it are based on your degree. 2) You will be misinformed until u reach ur 33rd degree and when you reach it, there is no turning back. 3) All lodges, though similiar ,are different. Which means points 1 and 2, overall largely conform to all lodges, will be implemented per that lodge’s individual approach.
On a personal note, when i was privileged with being shown the real truth, i was absolutely floored. Moving on since then, it’s given me all the understanding I need of the world and what the world will (in the very near future) be facing and what is at stake.
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The horned god is the pagan god of life and love. Please study world religions further. The pentacle right side up is positive. Each point an element of life and the top point means spirit/soul. All elements combined equal life.
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Any god other than Jehovah (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in the Bible is a false god and the real spirits behind every false god is Satan and his fallen angels (1 Corinthians 10:20).
The horned god of “life” and “love” is really the god that pagans worship by having sex without any boundaries. The Bible calls this fornication and it results in God’s punishment when a person does not repent of this behavior before they die.
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Great read, My only contact with a mason (32 degree) was with a non mason organization in Texas. After a few months of meetings this mason approached me about my beliefs and joining his boys club. The conversation lasted over an hour and the gentlemen left frustrated that my understanding of christianlty and masons didn’t mix with the teachings of Jesus and I would not bend.
There is only one TRUTH.
Darrell
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Interesting points on the freemasonry and the knights Templar. My issue is with your use of scripture. It is a dangerous thing to misinterpret the Word of God. I am guessing that you, perhaps, meant to clarify later. Or are you suggesting that marriage vows, which are oaths, are not Christian in nature? There are many statement in the Law of God that deal with oath taking. Christ’s admonishment is that we swear by nothing, that every oath we take is before God. SO if someone asks you if you will be somewhere at a certain time and you say Yes, you have stated before God and your friend that you will be there. Christ is pointing to the statement God makes in Leviticus 19:12. In plain English, do not go back on your word for our God will not look kindly upon this. It is impossible for us in our daily lives to not “take and oath” or to make a promise, as the stated example above makes. As I said before, Jesus’ emphasis here is to never go back on your word.
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The scriptures show us that there are justifiable oaths and unjustifiable oaths. God swore by himself when he blessed Abraham and a heavenly angel swore by God when proclaiming what God would do in Revelation 10:6. An unjustifiable oath is like Jephthah’s oath to sacrifice the first thing that would come out of his house when he returned from war and his oath led to his daughter’s death.
In modern terms, an unjustifiable oath would be adding the ever-popular phrase “I swear to God!” when someone is recounting an unbelievable story or swearing on the Bible before taking the stand in the courtroom and then lying or withholding information for selfish purposes.
The only oaths that a person should take are the ones that are clearly in agreement with God’s word, his character, and his principles. Anything other than that is evil. This is why my use of what Jesus said about swearing is not a misinterpretation and its application to the unjustifiable oaths of Masons is right on target.
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As a Wiccan, I would like to clear a few things up.
First of all, Wicca and Satanism are to COMPLETELY different things. I will sum up the differences as such: the Satanist belief, as stated by Aleister Crowley is “do as thou wilt is the whole of the law”, a sinister quote to live by no doubt. On the other side, the Wiccan belief is quite the opposite, as a passage of peace: “an ye harm none; do what thou wilt”. One says to harm those who harm you, the other says to do as you please as long as no harm comes to yourself of others.
Now, above, when speaking of the “pentagram”, what you said was true of the Satanist pentagram (inverted with one point down and two up); however, you were alluding to the star on the Horned God’s forehead, which is (once again) quite the opposite. With one point up and two down, pointing to the Heavens oddly enough, each of the five points stands as follows:
1. Earth
2. Fire
3. Wind
4. Water
5. Spirit (at the top)
Indeed, the drawing is not that of Satan, but of the Wiccan Horned God.
If you feel like learning what Wicca truly is, without a negative slant; or if you feel like sending me hate mail, feel free to at “dylan.serres@cox.net”
Blessed Be
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And one more thing.
The images and beliefs of the Horned God were around long before even Judaism, much less Christianity. Isn’t it odd that everything to do with Wicca just so happens to be spoken against in the Bible? And we are portrayed as Satan followers, even though the majority of us are far more peaceful and much less hypocritical than the majority of Christians?
Interesting thought.
I doubt this comment will make it through your selection process though.
Blessed be
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Aethyr,
The horned god of the Wiccans is Satan and the symbol of Baphomet is just another way of how Satan, your horned god, is depicted. If you look at how Baphomet has two serpents wrapped around a staff at the base of his spine–this is also a pagan/satanic symbol. This symbol, which we often see used in the medical field, in this instance is referring to the serpent power that occultists/pagans believe lies at the base of everyone’s spine. This serpent power is believed to have three channels by which Kundalini (life energy) can be released up one’s spine.
The practices of Kundalini yoga, like Wicca, Satanism, and black witchcraft, all have their origins in the god of this world who we Christians call Satan. He is also known as Beelzebub, Belial, the serpent, and the dragon. As I have said elsewhere, Satan can change his form to present himself in as many ways as possible to deceive as many people as possible. To Wiccans he presents himself as the horned god who denies that there is a devil. This way those who believe in Wicca can easily be used for his services since denial of his existence leads them to think they couldn’t possibly be his followers since he doesn’t exist. Therefore, there’s no way they could be wrong in what they do.
Wicca and Satanism are two different arms of the same religion. Wicca presents itself in a harmless, sweet manner while Satanism presents itself as blatantly evil. But they both serve Satan.
You claim that Wicca is peaceful but you forgot to mention that Wiccans are obsessed with getting as much power as they can for themselves to use it for their own self-serving purposes. They are so consumed with getting power that they secretly infiltrate churches to try to water down church doctrine. Some of them even become clergy to deceive people so they can exercise a degree of mind control over those who are spiritually weak.
Your argument that Wiccans are less hypocritical and more peaceful than Christians is hogwash that can’t be proven. And if your statement is based on what Roman Catholics or Protestants who broke off from Catholicism have done, then you really are deceived about what a genuine Christian is.
The pentagram, whether right side up or inverted, is still an occultic symbol.
In closing, I’ll say you can keep your “Blessed be’s” to yourself. I’m fully aware of it’s secret meaning and my life as well as this blog is dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ, whose blood has cleansed me from all unrighteousness and continues to cover me. So I rebuke and reject all “blessed be’s” in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Also if you’re expecting me to send you hate mail, forget about it. That’s something that as a blood-washed believer in Jesus Christ that I don’t do.
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Very interesting discussion. : harryagaylord,
You not only have researched but have a good discernment on these topics. All these people who argue against the truth will always be hard to convince because Satan has darken their understanding, as you said. People who oppose Jesus and The Bible are under damnation and yes, being into an occult sect be it Rosicrucian, knight Templars, Jehovah Witness, LDS, Masons, illuminati, Skull and Bones or any other “brotherhoods” have sold their souls to Satan have their ticket to hell, which can be canceled but it is merely up to them. All these sects come from the same deception with different make up but same origin : the serpent of old, the devil, who convinced man from the beginning to “know the occult knowledge, for you will become like god”
that was the first sin of mankind, wanting to achieve merits by means of knowledge instead of being humble and obedient to God.
Very good answers to all questions, congratulations and keep up the good work
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Thank you for your words of encouragement, truthSeeker. May God continue to bless you.
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ignore them harryagaylord . little do they know about Hell .. Satan would never reveal to them his true nature and the moment they sell their soul to him thats the end only by Gods mercy.
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Man of God – bless you.
Nobody sells their soul to the devil – unless one is born again and becomes a child of God through our beloved Jesus Christ. He automatically belongs to satan. The truth of that is that once we KNOW the Lord Jesus Christ in rebirth we are ‘delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of his dear son. Col 1:13 (as Strong’s (3179) says removed from one place to another. That is powerful stuff.
From Seeker of Truth.
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I would like to ask you to keep up your good “work”. Your rantings posted for all to see help to reinforce the fact that people who call themselves “Christians” are ignorant and hateful bigots.
It is thanks to people like you that the number of Christians in this country is declining.
And thank God for that because we don’t need all the Taliban style bigotry you people spread.
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Again, since the Pike book on dogma is online for all to read, I read a large part of it, and it pretty clearly teaches that all religions are the same and you need to meditate on the sohar to understand them. That is not Christian teaching, so it’s within reason for a Christian to identify that reality for other Christians to refer to. Not sure.. how that… fits with your response? You mentioned ignorance and hate?
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[Your rantings posted for all to see help to reinforce the fact that people who call themselves “Christians” are ignorant and hateful bigots.]
The information I’ve shared here is based on thorough research and is truthful. Just because the truth is not in line with the lies you choose to believe doesn’t mean I’m ignorant and hateful. It just means you choose to embrace your ignorance by accusing those you hate, i.e. Christians, as being the haters. In psychology it’s called “projecting” when you accuse those you dislike of having the character traits you possess.
[It is thanks to people like you that the number of Christians in this country is declining.]
No, that’s not true. Christians are declining because when affliction or persecution arises because of the gospel, immediately people are offended. It is also because the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things enter into a person’s heart, making them more concerned about what they own, who they know, and what status they have in other people’s eyes as opposed to considering what pleases God.
[we don’t need all the Taliban style bigotry you people spread]
The Taliban use drug money, physical violence, restriction of proper education, and oppression of women to spread their influence. True Christians reach out to try to help people with their basic needs, encourage people to be informed, and pray God’s blessings on both their friends and enemies. We are not even close to being like the Taliban, but I guess in order to try to justify your hatred toward God and his children, you have to make us out to be like others you hate.
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Your response is amusing. Perhaps the most offensive thing about this entire blog is your claim of being a Christian when demonstrably you are not.
You do not know Christ and rebuke everything he taught and yet claim his mantle to spread your offal.
You are a bigot, a racist, an anti-Semite, a misogynist, a hypocrite, and a liar. And you lay it out in your blog claiming Christ’s blessing. You are a sick man.
I would ask that the Lord have mercy upon your soul, but he will not until you repent.
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Your accusation of me not being a Christian shows that you don’t know what a Christian is. I clearly sum up my Christian beliefs and claims on my “About me” and “My Beliefs” pages.
As far as your false accusations about me being a bigot, anti-Semite, etc., you once again don’t know what you’re talking about. I think it’s obvious you haven’t read my pro-Israel posts and my posts favorable to women.
Your false accusations are very much like the false accusations that the Pharisees and Sadducees leveled against Christ and his apostles, so I count it joy to be in such good company.
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven…” So thank you for confirming with your false accusations that I am truly blessed.
Maybe instead of wasting your time with your false accusations, try examining yourself because that’s where the problem truly is.
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Harry, I hope you are smiling because I certainly am. You have attracted the devils hornets. Once you’ve made your point, which you did even before responding to the first hornet, you probably should have left it alone. Never argue with Satan and his helpers, you only give them opportunity to lie and condemn them further.
On the other hand, you confirmed what our Father put into my heart even without me reading a single book. You give great insight to our new and renewed minds in Christ, which is very important. Our Father gives his children knowledge and understanding that he does not share with the one’s lacking in understanding, the condemned, that will protect their own and their father, Satan.
“Give not that which is Holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6
Thank you Harry for spreading knowledge to the children of God. Information is Power over our enemies and that Power comes from our Father, God Almighty.
One in Christ,
TL11
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Thanks, Tasha, for your words in season.
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I grew up in the church , and let me tell you guys I have never in my 40 years seen such a messed up bunch of people. They will smile to your face even pray for you on sunday, then talk behind your back sunday night at the dinner table . The women i have heard talk about how that dress looks to small on her or the men acting like there the best fathers on earth
while their sons are out in bed with the whole town …and now we have these fools here thinking they know whats going on in everyone little group cause of what a few web pages have told them …just like the holy church goes ..never looking in their own back yards first but ready to point the holy finger at someone eles and ready to say YOUR GOING TO HELL….just like little kids on the block chanting by dads better than your dad……to be borned again does not give you the right to put down your fellow , but rather it should give you more understanding of who you are able to become ….so guys stop it .. and for once in my life stop saying we are all going to hell
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Anonymous,
I too grew up in church and have seen the same things you’ve seen and worse. That’s one reason why I started this blog and had to unlearn some of the incorrect doctrines taught in church, but there are still enough righteous people in some churches that make a positive difference.
Yes, there are some in the church who need to get their act together and I have mentioned plenty of examples of this in my other posts. But just because there are people missing the mark in church doesn’t mean those of us who are living right should go somewhere in a corner and keep our mouths shut about wrongs that occur in secular society.
There are those who take the “Going to Hell” speech too far, but there are also those who don’t mention it enough, if they do at all. Hell is a real place and it is one of our obligations as Christians to talk about it whether you like it or not. Jesus and his apostles talked about it plenty of times in the scriptures and we as Christians are supposed to be like Christ. Therefore, don’t expect us to drop all of our speeches about hell anytime soon just to suit you.
Although it is not a Christian’s job to bring a condemning, FINAL judgment against anyone, we are commanded to “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them,” [Ephesians 5:11]. The word “reprove” means to refute, to bring to light, to expose, to find fault with, and to correct. So wherever I see wrongdoing in or out of the church, I’m going to discuss it here even if you or anyone else doesn’t like it.
The fact that you think I shouldn’t talk about the Freemasons or about hell tells me that you’re only attacking churchgoers, not because you actually care, but because you enjoy your sin and don’t want anyone telling you that you need to do better.
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I agree with Chris M. This is complete b!#*!#@t. I am agape at stories like this about Masonry. I am a Master Mason at my local lodge and a past master. I just don’t get it. I’m at least a fourth generation Mason, probably goes back farther than that… All Masonry is is a charity organization people!!!!! Period!!!!!! Why invent all this smut? We help people. We help kids!!! Go find something worthy to do with your time. Or go attack any on campus greek fraternity. There’s no difference except Masonry has been around a couple thousand years longer. Even if some of your symbolism is accurate, that’s not what we learn about it whether you are a third degree or 33ed degree Mason. We are good men trying to do good works in the community. It is not a religious cult. It’s not religious at all. Yes, you have to believe in God to be a Mason, but other than that it holds no affiliation. And pleas, i invite anyone to contact me offline and I’ll answer any questions you might have. WE have no secrets other than our ceremonies, which are only as secret as the ceremonies I went through when I was in a fraternity in college – which by the way bare so many similarities to the Masonic ceremonies it’s not even funny. So go attack the Greek organizations or Lion’s club, or Kiwanis or any thing else because they are ALL a spin off. We’re all just trying to be charitable. Let us.
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the secret to masonry is……they do not get it hahahaha Master Mason Star in the East Lodge
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Masonry is not a religion. It has nothing to do with Satan. I don’t care who your sources are or how credible they may be. There is nothing satanic about the Lodge. Obviously you would not join, but if you did you would see that there’s nothing funny going on here. Now, I’m not saying that there are not some branch organizations or inner recruiting that hasn’t gone on over the years. Just like foreign powers recruiting our military elite as spies or assassins. If it exists, then this is the case with the illuminati. But Masonry itself teaches Godlyness and does not knowingly harbor any other beliefs. It’s just like if a patrol of soldiers in Iraq decides to start raping and killing women, do you then say that the entire government condones such behavior?
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Dave,
You claim to help kids, but is it really helpful to them to use cursing to get your point across?
[It’s not religious at all. Yes, you have to believe in God to be a Mason, but other than that it holds no affiliation.]
The fact that you have to believe in God to join by default makes it religious. And to be a Mason you can believe in any god you choose because they believe that every religion worships the same god, but in different ways. That in itself is a false doctrine according to the Bible. Jesus Christ is THE way, THE truth, and THE life and there is no other mediator between God and man.
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” [James 2:19] So how does your belief go beyond what even devils believe?
[But Masonry itself teaches Godlyness and does not knowingly harbor any other beliefs.]
Once again–your claim that Masonry teaches godliness proves that it is of a religious nature. But the oaths that you take clearly fly in the face of true godliness that is taught in God’s word. Your oaths by their very nature show that you don’t believe the Bible and are teaching a different gospel.
As the apostle Paul so eloquently stated, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” [Galatians 1:8]
It’s great that your organization helps people, but at what cost? Do you really think that your good works mean you’re okay with God? “…we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags” [Isaiah 64:6] This is how God sees us if our good works are done without Jesus Christ as our Lord.
“…except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” [Matthew 5:20]
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it’s incredible to me how people involved in occultism are ignorant of their engagement with the devil. same thing happens with LDS and Jehova W who come from the same founding fathers : they were all Masons. Aliester Crowley, one of the most evil men who ever lived, considered the father of modern Satanism was a Mason.
Crowley claimed in his ‘Confessions…’ that in 1904 he had been raised (taken the 3rd degree) in the Craft at the Anglo-Saxon Lodge No. 343 in Paris.
study in contradictions, Crowley was a pioneering mountain climber, a pioneering homoerotic poet, a pioneering ritual magician, a heroin addict, a sleazy womanizer, a closet homosexual, a vocal feminist, a racist, a German collaborator, a British secret agent, a civil rights advocate, a talented amateur artist, a legitimately profound mystic and an infuriating charlatan. Some claim that Crowley was a 33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the Scottish Rite and also held the 95 of the Rite of Memphis and the 90 of the Rite of Mizraim. Crowley had been given the title by the Media of “the wickedest man alive”. It can be documented that Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title “The Father of Modern Satanism”.
So : Get used to bowing to pagan gods.
As a Mason goes through the 32 degrees of the Scottish rite, he ends up giving worship to every Egyptian pagan god, the gods of Persia, gods of India, Greek gods, Babylonian gods, and others. As you come to the 17th degree, the Masons claim that they will give you the password that will give him entrance at the judgment day to the Masonic deity, the great architect of the universe. It is very interesting that this secret password is “Abaddon”.
For those who don’t know who this entity is, well plain and simple, it is a demon.
Rev 9:1-11 describes Abaddon as being the king of the bottomless pit locusts.
And for those who think Masonry is not evil because they don’t “praise Satan” verbally, here’s a verse of Scripture :
Satan does not need to receive worship to achieve his goals. All he has to do is to keep a man from following Jesus. Satan knows that anyone who does not follow in the teachings of Jesus does not have God. (2 John 9)
Jesus also said : “He who is not with me is against me…” Luk 11:23 . . . very simple indeed
Masons recruits are also told to pledge allegiance to “the architect of the universe” and some could think they are directing this pledge to Jesuschrist, nothing could be farther from the truth. They say “the architect” but which “architect”? the devil is also an “architect” of lies, deception, false teachings, plans of destruction, murder and lies. But you could say he is an “architect” . . . of a world of misery and destruction.
The Bible also calls Satan “the god of this world” 2Cor4:4 which is “the universe” for Masons.
The “world” is spiritually corrupt, hence belongs to Satan. The “world” is all the “worldly” people, not all nature necessarily, since this would contradict the Scripture that says : (Psalm 50:10)
“For every beast of the forest is Mine,And the cattle on a thousand hills. . . ” God says He is the owner of Nature, including : minerals, animals, water and the heavens. So, the devil cannot own these things legitimately.
But Satan created caos, decadence and death, he is the owner of those worlds.
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Any religion outside of the Body of Christ is an abomination unto God and to His children.
“I am a Master Mason at my local lodge and a past master.”
Dave M, there is only one Master, “But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.” Matthew 23:8
The Holy Spirit of God tells His undeceived chosen, the Elect of His Kingdom what unbelievers have done and will do in this earth. “And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” Romans 1:23
“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” Romans 1:25
Dave M, if you’ve ever read God’s Holy Word, this would all ring true throughout your spirit and your tongue wouldn’t speak lies protecting Satan. But clearly you have not and you choose to stay on the outside of God Almighty’s Kingdom.
You say, “Even if some of your symbolism is accurate, that’s not what we learn about it whether you are a third degree or 33ed degree Mason. We are good men trying to do good works in the community. It is not a religious cult.”
A lot of good men are going to Hell, didn’t you know. Our Father God says this repeatedly in His Holy Word. God says who does not choose him solely, chooses the devil for you cannot serve two gods. And we all know where Satan is going? And whosoever shall follow him, shall have eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone.
You as with many have allowed Satan to utterly deceive you.
God says, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24
A timely great piece of information that our Father God Almighty has given to his children. Especially the part about, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the Very Elect. If it were possible. Ha, but it is not!
Our Father God tells us, “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.” 1 John 4:4
You say, “It’s not religious at all. Yes, you have to believe in God to be a Mason, but other than that it holds no affiliation.”
You’d better believe it’s not a religion, certainly not one the God of the heavens and earth would approve of. The god you believe in is the god of this world. Your club that you defend is affiliated with Satan. Is Satan going to tell you that in his secret, behind closed doors classrooms. Of course not. And anything that is secret will come out.
You’re taught to keep things a secret. Our Father makes His Word public so that all are without excuse. So what is your excuse for not knowing that you worship Satan in private?
Our Father says, “They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.” 1 John 4:5
“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.” 1 Corinthians 3:19
I’d ask you to release yourself from the bondage of Satan but why? You have to want it yourself and whether many know they are worshipping Satan or not, when told that they are, they continue in his stead until they admit in that day whom they worship. And for God our Father already knows.
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:” 2 Corinthians 4:3
Lastly, “I don’t care who your sources are or how credible they may be.”
So sad… so sad indeed. The very source is God Almighty. And you say you do not care.
“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.” Psalm 2:1-4
Amen
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yeah, hey jesus freaks…stop quoting the bible and make your own quotes and beliefs. Scripture is by the opinion of indivuals by which you believe them and quote them yourself…none of you have the ability to be leaders…you are all sheep…baaaaa….God did not write the bible…it was a means to convey ideas for slow people to understand them. by the way…it did not take 7 days
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The preaching of the word of God is foolishness to people like you who are perishing [i.e. on the path to hell] but to those of us who believe, preaching the Bible is the power of God. The Bible’s words are full of life and powerful and discerns the thoughts and intents of a person’s heart. The Bible is given by God’s inspiration and is excellent for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction on how to live righteous before God. This is why we believers will proclaim it even when people like you don’t like it.
So I would suggest you get a life–a new life in Jesus Christ.
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FREE MY PEOPLE!!!!! I AINT BELIEVE THAT IM A SLAVE. I THINK BRITNEY SPEARS SANG A SONG ABOUT IT. IM A SLAVE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But you are a slave. You’re a slave to your sins when you don’t know Jesus. You do what your sinful mind tells you to do and most of the time you don’t realize your actions are sinful and are running your life and ruining your life. That’s why you feel the urge to verbally attack Christianity. You don’t like being shown how messed up you are without Christ.
But all of that can change if you turn away from your evil ways and surrender your life to Jesus Christ.
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I am a slave? I joined at my own free will and accord !You are right I dont know Jesus, and neither did you! What did he like to eat? Where did he use to hang out? You must be pretty old if you know Jesus soooooo much. I am not verbally attacking Chritianity. Just people who are Fundamentalists. Hey you should look up some muslim blogs. You have similiar beliefs towards “Others.” Now by surrender my life to Jesus, you mean join your cult? Braianwash me?
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You are upset because you were not invited into the lodge? If you would like to meet and talk more about freemasonry I am available to enlighten you.
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Let me get this straight. After you’ve attacked God’s word, you want me to come running to you to be enlightened? Why would I want to embrace the darkness of your false beliefs? I’ve already been delivered from the power of darkness and placed in God’s kingdom of light. So, no thanks, I don’t want any part of your dark, evil secrets and have never sought to be a part of any lodge. As the cliche goes, “misery loves company”, but I don’t want to be in the company of your misery–the lodge.
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“hi there” you said–[I am a slave? I joined at my own free will and accord !You are right I dont know Jesus, and neither did you! What did he like to eat? Where did he use to hang out? You must be pretty old if you know Jesus soooooo much.]
Jesus said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin,” [John 8:34]. When I said I know Jesus, I meant that I know him on a spiritual level. We have fellowship with each other every day when I pray to him, read his word, and meditate on his word. Jesus ate a lot of fish with bread when he was here. He also ate other traditional, kosher Hebrew meals like lamb and herbs at Passover. He used to hang out in a lot of different places. Sometimes he would hang out with social outcasts like prostitutes and tax collectors, so he could show them in a loving way how they could be free from their sinfulness. He also hung out with people who were deathly ill so he could heal them. One of the main places where he spent a lot of his time was Galilee. But he was what we would call a circuit preacher, so he liked to travel a lot to different places to preach how people could be made free from their slavery to sin. Now he hangs out in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father to be the advocate for those of us who believe in him. So you see, I know my Lord and Savior quite well even though I didn’t live centuries ago when he walked the Earth.
[I am not verbally attacking Chritianity. Just people who are Fundamentalists. Hey you should look up some muslim blogs. You have similiar beliefs towards “Others.”]
I believe every word in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation because I believe it is totally true. My beliefs are nowhere near what Muslims believe or how they act. The Bible is all about a God who, out of love, pleads with man to obey him for man’s good and for God’s glory. Islam is about an indifferent god who cannot be known personally and is an unforgiving god made in man’s image.
[Now by surrender my life to Jesus, you mean join your cult? Braianwash me?]
As far as brainwashing is concerned, we all need our brains to be washed in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ who died for our sins, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts…” [Mark 7:21] and these evil thoughts can take over our lives when we carry them out. But God shows us what he desires for us when Paul said, “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God,” [Romans 12:1-2]. So, yes, God wants our brains (minds) to be washed.
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Ok, listen lord of the gays. What has brought you to hate Masons so much in life? Now you come off with all these beliefs that we are evil and hold the darkest secrets. You know that soft spot on a baby’s head? I think someone might have pushed it in on your head. That is the only thing I can think of. You are acting insane, no you are insane. And how do I get “A life in Jesus?” No really, how do I get “IN” Jesus. That is just a little weird. You are lord of the gays, so you might not understand the little weird part of that. I think I would rather meet a special person like you then sit here and blog with you. AND I WOULD NEVER INVITE YOU TO A LODGE. That may be why you are so sour against them. I guess helping little kids and the local community is just not enough for you. However I bet you could become a Priest. So you could take your touching, I mean healing to the next level. You are exactly what gives God a bad name. But its ok, I am sure you have a get out of hell card. How old are you? You live in Colorado? Bible Belt? So many questions for you. We could be friends, and you would never know.
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I have never wanted to be a part of any lodge and I don’t hate Masons. I hate evil, not the people who commit evil. Just because a person speaks out against evil does not mean they hate the people who commit evil. You probably have friends or a significant other who does things that you hate or that bother you, but do you hate them as a person? Probably not. That’s the same type of understanding by which I’ve written my words. Your words, on the other hand, are the words that are full of hatred. Instead of trying to have an honest debate, you’ve resorted to name-calling. Making fun of my name and the truths I’ve shared here do not change the truth one iota. As the apostle Paul said, I believe in Christ, and therefore have I spoken.
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You really need to confine your comments to subjects you are familiar with. Your knowledge of Christianity and the Bible is limited at best. You have managed to spread more anti-Christ misinformation and distortions of scripture in this post than Richard Dawkins did in an entire book.
I would entreat God to have mercy on your soul, however you do not demonstrate that you deserve His mercy at this point in your life.
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This IS a subject I’m familiar with. That’s why I’ve shared this vital information. It has opened a lot of eyes to the truth and I don’t regret it whatsoever. Your false accusations are pointless since you have not provided any facts to refute what I’ve said here based on my thorough research of this subject.
Don’t waste your breath or your time on asking God to have mercy on my soul. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I already have his mercy, grace, peace, and blessings overflowing in abundance in my life.
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I am a Christian. I believe in my heart that I am saved by Grace through the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ. By John 3:16, because I believe in Him, I will not perish and will have eternal life.
I am also a Freemason–a Master Mason, a York Rite Mason from the Royal Arch to Knight Templar. I am not a Scottish Rite Mason, and I probably never will be, because my Christian faith led me to the York Rite where that faith has been encouraged, and strengthened.
I value honesty, chivalry, tolerance, truth, patriotism, charity, and above all, loyalty to God. One of the great teachings of Freemasonry is to place God at the forefront of everything that you do, and I and many of my fellow Masonic brothers strive to do just that. While Freemasonry does not specifically describe what God is, each individual Mason is encouraged to investigate and follow his own spiritual and religious path. To globally state that all Freemasons are lost and involved in Satanism is categorically false. Most of the Freemasons I know are Christian by their profession and it is evidenced in the fruits of their works. Maybe it’s a regional thing, but it’s fact. To state that a Freemason cannot be a Christian questions the very promise of salvation from God.
Regarding Freemasonry’s secrets, you can go into just about any bookstore or library, or do an Internet search, and you can find almost all of the secrets of Freemasonry. But I made a promise to not reveal them, so I won’t because I am a man of my word.
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[To state that a Freemason cannot be a Christian questions the very promise of salvation from God.]
I did not make a statement saying Freemasons cannot be Christian. What I stated or implied is that a Christian who is a Freemason should examine himself as to where his loyalties lie. As Jesus said, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” Mammon is the carnal things of the world system, which includes freemasonry.
I’ve noticed that when the Lodge says “Jump!”, Masons tend to respond “How high?” and tend not to be concerned with whether or not the Lodge’s request is in keeping with God’s word. If you’re a “Master Mason”, you’ve taken several oaths that are anti-Christ and therefore anti-Biblical. No matter how many good works you claim to have, if they are not done with the true love from/for Jesus Christ, you are as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal and they profit you nothing.
All the good works you claim are done by genuine Christians everyday all over the world, and they have no ties to Freemasonry. God doesn’t need us to join cliquish secret societies for us to do what he calls us to do. And whether you like it or not, the teachings of Freemasonry and its affiliate organizations like the Eastern Stars are deceptive and who is the master of deception but Lucifer (Satan)?
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[I did not make a statement saying Freemasons cannot be Christian. What I stated or implied is that a Christian who is a Freemason should examine himself as to where his loyalties lie. As Jesus said, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”]
Those are wise words to live by that can be applied in so many areas of life. My loyalties lie first with God and my walk with Christ, then with Family. After that, things are prioritized by importance as things happen. Freemasonry is no more or less a priority than anything else that is important to me. This is in no way in conflict with ANY obligation I made in Freemasonry, because Freemasonry has taught me specifically to place importance on God and family first. If a fellow Freemason asks for assistance or help, I will give it. If a church member asks for help or assistance, I will give it. If a man on the street asks for help and assistance, I will give it. Service is service is service. Do I “play favorites” with fellow Freemasons? Sure I do. As do I with fellow church members, family, and friends.
[Mammon is the carnal things of the world system, which includes freemasonry.]
Here we have to agree to disagree. I find “mammon” defined as follows:
* “Mammon represents greed and selfishness. This verse clearly states that no Christian can have any part in the pursuit of mammon; that would be an impossible contradiction, since the values of God and mammon are directly opposed.”
http://www.gospel.com/topics/mammon
* “material wealth or possessions especially as having a debasing influence”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mammon
“wealth regarded as an evil influence”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* “Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
* “A Chaldee or Syriac word meaning “wealth” or “riches” (Luk 16:9); also, by personification, the god of riches”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/ebd/ebd239.htm
Please explain to me how I, as a Freemason, am engaging in things rooted in or focused on wealth, riches, or selfishness? Quite the opposite, in fact. The Freemasons I interact with come from all walks of life, have varying degrees of faith, and are probably the most selfLESS group of people I know.
[I’ve noticed that when the Lodge says “Jump!”, Masons tend to respond “How high?” and tend not to be concerned with whether or not the Lodge’s request is in keeping with God’s word.]
You use “tend to” a lot, so you are obviously not including EVERY Freemason. My personal experience has been with the group who “tend not to” in this case.
[If you’re a “Master Mason”, you’ve taken several oaths that are anti-Christ and therefore anti-Biblical.]
Please explain how anything I have promised as a Freemason is anti-Christ.
[No matter how many good works you claim to have, if they are not done with the true love from/for Jesus Christ, you are as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal and they profit you nothing.]
Are you saying that my works are not for Christ? Is every work you do for Christ?
[All the good works you claim are done by genuine Christians everyday all over the world, and they have no ties to Freemasonry.]
Well, whoopty-doo and good for them. I also know many non-Christians who are also not Freemasons who do good works. That’s not the issue. The issue is that just because I am a both a Christian and a Freemason does not afford me any more privileges, rights, or whatever else conspiracy theorists may choose to delude themselves of.
[God doesn’t need us to join cliquish secret societies for us to do what he calls us to do.]
That’s right, He doesn’t NEED us to do anything. But He does command us to love our neighbors and spread the Gospel, and Freemasonry offers an amazing social structure to facilitate that.
[And whether you like it or not, the teachings of Freemasonry and its affiliate organizations like the Eastern Stars are deceptive and who is the master of deception but Lucifer (Satan)?]
While I cannot speak to anything other than the Blue Lodge and the York Rite, your assertions are wrong. The teachings of Freemasonry are rooted in Old Testament, and culminate with teachings from the New Testament in the York Rite. There is ZERO mention, allusion, or inference to Lucifer or Satan in any way. Nothing I have ever hears, done, or encountered in my involvement in Freemasonry would suggest otherwise. Oh, but wait…I’m not a 33rd Scottish Rite mason, so I HAVE to be deluded, correct? Or is it because I am a Knight Templar and am therefore purposly misleading you? Hmmmm.
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There is NO such thing as a Christain Freemason and you are NOT saved by grace! IF you are follower of Yeshuwa Mashiyach you will understand Matthew 22:37-40 – that does not mean alligence to a satanic religion – open up your eyes man and read the writing on the wall!!
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[There is NO such thing as a Christain Freemason and you are NOT saved by grace! IF you are follower of Yeshuwa Mashiyach you will understand Matthew 22:37-40 – that does not mean alligence to a satanic religion – open up your eyes man and read the writing on the wall!!]
Matthew 22:37-40 (King James Version)
“37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Oh, what an amazing passage to live by! But loving God and loving your neighbor alone does not save you. You clearly missed Jesus’ all-important statement where in John 3:16, He clearly states:
John 3:16 (King James Version)
“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Based on my belief in John 3:16, please explain how I, who believe in Him, am not saved by Grace.
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“Christian Freemason,”
I’m not going to sit here and argue ad infinitum, ad nauseum with you and your defense of the false religion of Freemasonry. I already discussed your ungodly oaths and practices in my post and previous comments, so if you want to continue to harden your heart against God in favor of deceiving and being deceived, God has given you the freewill to do so.
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Harry, it’s so wonderful that we share the same faith and love for Jesus Christ, and the grace that He affords us through His redeeming blood. As a Christian, I just hope that you can take me at my word when I say that in my personal experience, Freemasonry has done nothing, said nothing, and taught nothing that would cause me to ever question my faith in my Lord Jesus. Quite the contrary–it has strengthened that faith.
As we both know and embrace, there is only one path to salvation. But we both also know that there is no single strategy to strengthening one’s personal relationship with Christ. To claim that would be completely idiotic.
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Even those of us who are Christians can deceive ourselves sometimes, as you have. The only reason you haven’t seen anything wrong with freemasonry is that you haven’t been paying attention or you chose to overlook the obvious. For instance, freemasonry teaches that there are many ways to reach salvation. That’s why there are Hindu masons, Buddhist masons, Islamic masons, etc.
Your service to the masons (if you’re honest with yourself–which you’re obviously not) is to receive glory from other men. It’s a form of self-aggrandizement by using false piety.
You asked me previously about how masonry is mammon. In case you chose to conveniently overlook this truth–freemasonry is one of the organizations that is pushing for a one world government with a one world religion. This is why there are so many freemasons in places of power within governments and their agencies worldwide and in international corporations. They have a lust for material things and material power to bring their antichrist aspirations to fruition.
Your claims that masons (your lodge or other lodges) are innocent of any wrongdoing shows how misguided you are. The masons are nice to people, not because they have genuine biblical charity, but because they use their community service as a way of recruiting the kids and others they help into their organization to perpetuate their deceptions.
But, alas, I’m wasting my time with this since your heart is hardened. “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” [1 Corinthians 14:38]
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[But, alas, I’m wasting my time with this since your heart is hardened. “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” [1 Corinthians 14:38]]
It’s regrettable that you view a dialog between someone who is obviously very well-versed in the Bible and someone who is very knowledgeable in Freemasonry as a waste of time. I find it to be quite thoughtful and informative.
Please understand that I am not trying to refute everything you say–quite the contrary. I’m merely addressing specific assertions that you made that are either false, misunderstood, or simply inconsistent with what I have experienced as a Freemason. If you wish that I not continue this dialog, then please let me know, and I will graciously bow out.
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[It’s regrettable that you view a dialog between someone who is obviously very well-versed in the Bible and someone who is very knowledgeable in Freemasonry as a waste of time.]
Being well-versed in the Bible doesn’t impress me. Satan is also well-versed in the Bible and quoted it to Jesus in a futile attempt to weaken Christ’s faith. So check me off as “not impressed.”
My so-called “assertions” that you call false, misunderstood, or inconsistent are, in fact, the truth. As I have said time and time again previously, I’ve done thorough research on this subject. I said it’s a waste of time trying to have a dialog with certain Freemasons, such as yourself, because you are so convinced that you’re correct even when the facts prove otherwise. Your overwhelming pride has blinded you to the truth. You love it so much when your subjects call you “Master” and cater to your masonic whims that Christian humility is flung right out the door.
I’m not convinced by what you claim to have experienced as a Freemason. My post and comments are based on facts, including the truths found in God’s word. These trump your “experiences.” Since Freemasons practice lying to hide what they do behind closed doors, I can’t take the word of any mason as being true. So since it’s obvious you’re convinced that you’re doing nothing wrong no matter what anyone says, including God in his word, there really is no need to continue a dialog with you at this point.
I just pray you see the true light before it’s too late.
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[Being well-versed in the Bible doesn’t impress me. Satan is also well-versed in the Bible and quoted it to Jesus in a futile attempt to weaken Christ’s faith. So check me off as “not impressed.”]
You obviously misunderstood as I was referring to you. Please learn to take a compliment when one is due.
[I’m not convinced by what you claim to have experienced as a Freemason. My post and comments are based on facts, including the truths found in God’s word. These trump your “experiences.”]
Obviously, you only have my word. It’s unfortunate that a man can no longer be taken at his word. But I implore you–please do some research about South Carolina Freemasons, and you will find that their makeup is largely Godly, Christian men who place Salvation through Christ above all else, including Freemasonry.
[Since Freemasons practice lying to hide what they do behind closed doors, I can’t take the word of any mason as being true.]
I have never, EVER been instructed or told to lie, nor have I ever lied about anything related to Freemasonry. There are things of which I will not speak or give details,but only because I promised not to. That is certainly not lying.
[So since it’s obvious you’re convinced that you’re doing nothing wrong no matter what anyone says, including God in his word, there really is no need to continue a dialog with you at this point.]
OK, then please explain why, (after lengthy prayer, Bible study, contemplation, and rigorously asking God that I might be led down a Godly, Christ-centric path) that at all turns, I have been led to Freemasonry.
Understand that I’m not trying to be argumentative or deceptive. I’m just coming from a very Christian environment that also respects Freemasons because of their devotion to God and community.
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From the way you worded your other comment, it sounded like you meant yourself–that you were the one well-versed in the Bible and very knowledgeable about Freemasonry–so, my bad.
Nevertheless, if you were to have read my post and consulted all of the sources I mentioned about the hidden truth behind Freemasonry, I just wonder how you would even want to be associated with such an organization, even if you claim your lodge is different. Freemasonry, as a whole, is corrupt despite how you feel about your particular lodge.
You were led into Freemasonry, not because of prayer, Bible study, contemplation, etc. etc., but because you had already established in your mind that Freemasonry is what you wanted before you even asked God. You went to God with your agenda already mapped out subconsciously, and since you didn’t hear anything from God to the contrary, you jumped into Freemasonry without waiting for God to answer according to his timing. People do this all the time.
You have been led to the masons because Satan knew it would be the perfect road block to hinder you from what God really wants you to do. Being part of the masons has catered to your fleshly pride and keeps you blinded to the true path God wants you to be on. You fell for Satan’s trick.
And here you are–returning to comment time and again in defence of your ungodly organization. I don’t think it’s happenstance that you came across my post on the evils of Freemasonry. Have you considered that maybe, possibly, that this is God’s wake-up call to you to come out from among them and be ye separate?
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a christian freemason says “Regarding free masonry’s secrets…but I made a promise to not reveal them, so I won’t because I am a man of my word.”
Dave M says: “We have no secrets, other than our ceremonies.”
i find this ironic-if freemasonry is so godly, why not share how you glorify him –in your ceremonies or otherwise?
what happens in the ceremonies that make them so top-secret?
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Good questions, Sherri.
I’m reminded of how anxious the 1st century believers were in sharing what they knew and sharing the meaning of the rituals, like baptism, that they participated in. Even today we Christians are gung ho about sharing these things, but Freemasonry is just the opposite. Their symbols, oaths, and secret rituals just show us how ungodly their whole system is, even if they claim to be Christian.
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To those who are Christians, please stop villifying Masonry and Masons. The only one who can lift the veil from blindness (theirs, yours, and mine) is the Lord Himself. In the meantime, don’t you think the Lord will answer your prayers for those who make Masonry, Rotary, Kiwanis, or any other group their substitute for corporate gathering in the name of the Lord? If any of you were free of idols or the influence of the evil one, I might take a different view. But none of us are so stop throwing stones and making “Christianity” something associated with hatred and “winning at all costs”.
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Barbara,
Those of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and the inerrancy of the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation are free from idols, according to the scriptures. The Bible says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” God gave us his word to reprove and correct not only ourselves, but others as well.
The Bible also says, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” [Ephesians 5:11]. So we are also commanded to reprove works of darkness like Freemasonry.
Finally, Ephesians 4 says that “we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things…” We, as Christians, speak the truth in love, not hate, about the sleight of men and the cunning craftiness taught by the Freemasons.
Speaking the truth about evil is what we Christians are commanded to do because we love people enough to point out evil with the hope that people will turn away from evil and turn to God. That’s not hatred. And we are not trying to win at all costs like you claim. If we were trying to win at all costs, we would compromise the truth of the gospel to be accepted by unbelievers such as yourself so we could fit in with you.
Although you unbelievers never seem to understand this, preaching the word of God is not preaching hatred. We want to see people made free from their evil ways so they can live a better life, receive eternal life so they can live with God when their life here ends, and so they can make this world a better place while they are here.
If anyone’s full of hatred, it’s people like you who hate for us to preach the truth, because you hate to be told about your sins since you are in love with your sins. And because you love sin, you hate God’s word and God’s people. So take your own advice and stop the hate you have for the Bible and for God’s people.
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Barbara said: […for those who make Masonry, Rotary, Kiwanis, or any other group their substitute for corporate gathering in the name of the Lord?]
Barbara,
I attend Masonic activities probably 4 times per month on days that do not conflict with my church activities. I faithfully attend Bible study and church services on Sunday mornings, corporate study groups at church on Wednesday evenings, and small groups 2-3 times per month on Sunday evenings. Do you believe that I am making Freemasonry a “substitute for corporate gathering in the name of the Lord”?
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[I faithfully attend Bible study and church services on Sunday mornings, corporate study groups at church on Wednesday evenings, and small groups 2-3 times per month on Sunday evenings.]
This doesn’t mean you’re saved. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” [Matthew 7:21-23]
Lord, Lord, did I not attend church regularly? Didn’t I go to Bible study? Didn’t I give my tithes and offerings? Then Jesus will say to those who weren’t genuine, “Depart from me.”
Many “profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate,” [Titus 1:16]
You are doing the kingdom of God a great disservice in your attempt to serve two masters. Yes you go out and do your good works to recruit people in your community to the Masonic faith. And the kids who look up to you then grow up and want to be a Mason just like you. The only catch is that if they move away from your area to where there are lodges that are not “Christian” as you falsely claim yours is, they still join that lodge and go through the ungodly rituals and oaths only to be deceived into thinking that Freemasonry is Christian.
Then they get involved more and more in the ungodly lodge and harden their heart against God as you have and they are spiritually worse off than they were before–all because of you.
You seem to be the perfect example of what Paul warned us against when he wrote to Timothy the second time telling us that in the last days men shall be “Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away,” [2 Timothy 3]. Such men are “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” [2 Timothy 3:7]
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Barbara says :
“To those who are Christians, please stop villifying Masonry and Masons. The only one who can lift the veil from blindness (theirs, yours, and mine) is the Lord Himself.”
So this means I cannot call evil “evil”? then I should call it “good” to keep everyone happy? that means I should be a people pleaser instead of denouncing evil and being faithful to God’s word? what kind of recommendation is that?
on the other hand you state that only the Lord can lift the veil from blindness; that is true, but the Bible says we should preach the truth and it will bear fruits, (Isaiah 55:11).God chose to use US, HIS SERVANTS, to go into all nations and tell everyone about The Gospel of Salvation Of Jesuschrist. God could have chosen an angel, or something supernatural to preach His word, but he instructed His Apostles to do it, then whoever accepts this Gospel will be saved, whoever rejects it will be condemned.(Mark 16:15).
He didn’t say : “preach in secret, and make sure you don’t upset anybody, for that would make you look bad”
It is one of Satan’s favorite techniques to make believe that “there will be peace in the world if every doctrine is accepted as truth by all people” he wants to sell the idea to Christians that if we avoid arguments or “fights” about spiritual issues or “religious” issues, then we a “nice” and “good” Christian, and we are providing a “good image” about Christianity, when Christianity is not about worldly peace necessarily, Jesus said “I didn’t come to bring peace. …. ” Mat 10:34
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for “Christian Freemason”
Hey brother, wake up will you? There Is Not and Cannot be such thing as a “Christian Freemason”, one thing excludes the other one. You cannot create your own “Christian” Religion version and still claim to belong to Jesus. Quite simply because water and oil don’t mix, even if you place them in the same bottle. Same as if someone claims to be a “Christian Satanist” or “Christian Buddhist”, how absurd is that? If the Bible clearly states as #1 Commandment “YOU CANNOT HAVE OTHER GODS” how in the world can you start off by violating God’s word with your blasphemous ritualistic cult. You may say “I don’t have other Gods, I believe in Christ, etc” . . . could be, maybe you “believe” to your own standards and ignorance but you are associated with a group for which you endorsed your word, your will and soul, for which you made an ungodly oath, because as it was mentioned before, all oaths are ungodly unless made before God and lined up with God’s Word, and even if you “chose” Christ when they told you “pick your favorite God”, some other people chose other gods and therefore this proves such an organization is reprobate and demonic and being associated (under oath)with them makes you participant and guilty of their sins and condemnation, and invalidates the fact that you “chose Christ” as your god, because this election is not consistent with what Christ Himself demands from you.
Listen, if you really seek the truth with all your heart and ask God in Jesus name to reveal it to you, YOU WILL FIND IT, but otherwise you are just fooling yourself and you probably know it deep inside. If you want to keep playing with your eternal destiny, it’s up to you.
Recant and Renounce evil and Satan, your ungodly oaths, and any association with that evil organization, ask God to forgive you and focus in The Gospel of Jesuschrist, you don’t need ANYTHING ELSE. Then, you can start doing all those good deeds that God put in your heart for Jesuschrist, only this time it will be for GOD’S GLORY, not for your glory or for The Freemason’s glory, Then and only then will those deeds account for Reward from The Eternal God in Heaven.
Yes, there’s a promised reward Jesus said (Rev 22:12): watch out, I’m coming soon AND I BRING A PRIZE for each one according to their deeds. . ” how good is that… May God bless your decision.
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[[I faithfully attend Bible study and church services on Sunday mornings, corporate study groups at church on Wednesday evenings, and small groups 2-3 times per month on Sunday evenings.]
This doesn’t mean you’re saved.]
I never claimed it did. I simply asked Barbara to explain how Freemasonry is a “substitute for corporate gathering in the name of the Lord” given my extensive involvement with my church and community. A “substitute” means a replacement. Freemasonry for me is not a replacement for Christianity, but an enhancement. It has regularly encouraged me to strengthen my Christian walk. Why are you making false accusations?
And as far as my salvation goes, that is between me and God–something that has long ago been eternally sealed through my belief in the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ.
[..lodges that are not “Christian” as you falsely claim yours is, they still join that lodge and go through the ungodly rituals and oaths only to be deceived into thinking that Freemasonry is Christian.]
Again, that is a false statement–I never claimed that Freemasonry is Christian. I said that in my experience with many lodges in South Carolina, the majority of members are Christians. They work to strengthen their Christian walk and their reliance on God. BEING a Christian does not make whatever you do inherently Christian–it simply means that you approach things from a Christian perspective and with a Christian heart.
[You seem to be the perfect example of what Paul warned us against when he wrote to Timothy the second time telling us that in the last days men shall be “Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away,” [2 Timothy 3]. Such men are “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” [2 Timothy 3:7]]
How very insulting that you would make such false accusations by asserting that I fit that profile. On the contrary, at every step, Freemasonry has encouraged me to strengthen my Christian walk. It has NEVER claimed to be a substitute for Christianity. It has NEVER asked me to do anything that would be contrary to my love or devotion to Jesus Christ.
It’s regrettable that you are simply unwilling to even entertain the possibility that one of the fundamental teachings of Freemasonry is for a man to study and strengthen his personal religion and spirituality. For me and most of my Masonic friends, that means Christianity. For others, it may be something different–it’s a PERSONAL journey between a person and God.
And yes, as a Christian, I do believe that those not saved in Christ are lost–and as you know, there are MANY people who fall into this category within Freemasonry, churches, and the world at large–but what an amazing chance for witness!
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[It has NEVER asked me to do anything that would be contrary to my love or devotion to Jesus Christ. ]
That’s only because the opportunity has not presented itself yet. It’s rather clear by your various comments that you haven’t really read my post above that goes in-depth about the symbols you as a Mason embrace and the oaths you take. If you had read my post above and my other comments completely, you would see how your oaths and symbols are anti-Christ and anti-Christian. You just came here to leave comments in defense of your false religion with its false god to fulfill the oaths you’ve taken as a Freemason to defend Freemasonry no matter what. And that in itself shows that you have indeed done what you’ve been asked by Freemasonry that is contrary to love and devotion to the Lord Jesus.
But you’ve allowed your vain pride to blind your eyes and have hardened your heart. If God ever spoke to you in a dream or through his word or through situations to tell you to forsake Freemasonry, your heart is so hardened that you would not listen to him. You have eyes which see not and ears which hear not.
[It’s regrettable that you are simply unwilling to even entertain the possibility that one of the fundamental teachings of Freemasonry is for a man to study and strengthen his personal religion and spirituality.]
This teaching of the Freemasons is simply the doctrine that all religions lead to God. That’s why Freemasonry embraces Baphomet, who is another form of Baal and is the god behind all heathen religions conjured up by the god of this world–Satan. So I will continue to be unwilling to accept such a false doctrine. And I can’t believe you’re so unwilling to see that the fundamental doctrines taught in Freemasonry are anti-Christ.
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Pike’s Own Words
“When the Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of LUCIFER are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this] energy.”
(Lost Keys of Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, page 48)
“That which we must say to the crowd is – We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition.
“To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees – The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.
“If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (The God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?
“Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive…”
(Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, Albert Pike, Grand Commander, Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et l’Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588)
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Hay….harryagaylord?
I am of Afrikan descendant. Part of the rich diaspora of Afrika. I was raised in the church but I am currently not really associated with any religion or sects. I feel like I am a truth seeker trying to dig thru all of this nonsense that was brought forth by our forefathers…of all races. This planet is truly messed because of these foolish sects and divisions amongst us all.
Nevertheless I didn’t write to talk about that. I wrote to you to see your take on something that troubles me greatly.
I don’t believe in christianity because it was used in the conquering and destruction of Afrika and its peoples.
I don’t believe in muslims either or any other religion because they all seem to want control one way or the other.
You see…today…when I speak to christians…mostly ministers and clergy because my questions are over the head of the majority of christian followers…I notice that they can never answer my questions. I’m not sayin you are a one stop answer house but from what I’ve seen in your responses on this page and your wisdom added with your knowledge I figured I’d give it a shot….
Ok….I was raised in the church as a christian (pentecostal). I’m not going to talk about all of the lil things that go on in churches at this point…just a lil background of where I’m comin from. I was raised to believe the King James version is the one true version of the bible. And I was told this for 16 years…only to find out the King James is approximately the 17th version.
I also found the only reason that it was created was to save the royalty in England. They feared the revolution that was occuring in France due to the corruption between the church and royalty and nobility. I was advised that the bible at that time was written only in Latin and Hebrew. Which in those times was the languages of the educated (aka wealthy). English was the language of the peasant class as they were unable to afford education and were largely held illiterate….
With this being said I also found that of the creation story, 10 Commandments and the flood story are actually stories from other cultures that predate the christian faith by hundreds of years. The 10 Commandments (relation: Book of the forth coming by day or by night – Egyptian) The Egyptian also called book of the dead had 42 laws which predate the bible…of which the 10 commandments can be found. This would make sense since Moses was raised as royalty in Egypt he would know all 42 like the back of his hand….so to condense it and create his own religion woul be fairly easy…especially in that day….The Noah’s ark flood story (relation: Gilgamesh Epics)
The creation story (relation: Ennuma Elish Tablets)
There are also a few things that were brought to my attention also. Such as the symbol of the cross….Egypt had the symbol of the Ankh which meant life versus the cross in christian faith symbolizing the death of Christ. Not to mention how prayers are concluded with Amen…which is directly stolen from Egyptians closing prayers in Amen Ra…
Also…christianity and its faith was not spread around the world by the descendants of Christ’s disciples. It was spread around the world by European countries who conquered alot of the earth using it as their mandate.
Upon reading more of this information has made me really not believe in christianity. I see it as a device of control. When they brought slaves thru the atlantic trade we weren’t even allowed to read! And I’m not even talking the slaves that didn’t speak english. Even the ones who were born in the “new world” under slavery and assimilated to european thinking and raised to speak english weren’t allowed to read or even attend church! We were denied salvation because we were viewed as 3/5ths of human beings by these same christian MEN of God? I say men seeing as how women were denied any real rights until the last 60 years or so…
The roots of slavery can be traced right back to the church.
With all that being said how can one truly find salvation in a religion that hasn’t practiced what it’s preached since it’s conception? Did the Popes of earlier centuries not have to wear white wigs to hide the signs of syphillis from frequenting brothels? The church was merely a powerful weapon used to chess piece much of what continues to plague the world today…
The reason I write this to you is obviously because I struggle with the religion I was brought up with (brainwash) and the underlying truth of the development of this religion. Councils of european white men have decided what from the dead sea scrolls will be in the official bible available to the commoner. Their councils are historical fact. So how is this the undeniable word of God? The unchanging undeniable truth?
Don’t take this as any disrespect. Please take the questions posed as honest inquiries. As I mentioned before all previous attempts to dissolve my concerns hasn’t happened. Even from the pastors and so forth. These are just some of things that are very real that stop me from believing in the christian faith…
Please advise.
Real Talk
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real talk,
I’ll start by saying that no one can come to the Father (God) unless the Father draws him. Then I’ll say that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. The primary problem you are running into is that you lack the faith to obtain the knowledge of the truth. You seem to be focused on what man has done or is doing instead of focusing on God who wants to reveal his truth to all mankind. What man has done or is doing doesn’t change who God really is or what he really requires of mankind.
Now about the concerns you brought up (and I’ll add the note here I don’t claim to be the be all and end all to your concerns). Most of what you have witnessed in churches today are man-made traditions and doctrines which have been passed down through the centuries by men who want to exalt themselves in some way. When protestants left the false Roman Catholic religious system ages ago, they did not fully forsake their false doctrines. They are much like ancient Judah who, even when they had godly kings, still had people who did not fully forsake their idolatrous practices.
The King James version(KJV)did, as you claim, come along after several versions had been printed before it. Before it was authorized by King James, the English language was still not fully established. Once the language became reliable and concrete, King James was ruling Scotland and England and assembled the best God-fearing scholars of his day who knew several languages, including Hebrew and Greek, so they could come up with true scripture based on manuscripts that were tested and proven to be reliable.
He wanted scripture to be printed in language that every common man could understand so every household or individual could have their own copy of God’s word instead of just clergymen having the only copies. Even if the king was fallible, his actions were in line with what God had always wanted. When people say that the KJV is the one true version of the Bible, what they SHOULD say is that it is the only true English version that we have in our day. The versions preceding it stopped being printed because the KJV used the most stable kind of English that the majority of people spoke and understood.
The French Revolution occurred in the late 1700s after the American Revolution. The KJV came about in the early 1600s. So its printing had nothing to do with the French Revolution. And it was because of the KJV that the common man saw what his God-given rights were and could disagree with the king. So the Puritans and other Protestants fled to the Americas, out of the reach of some of the oppressive ways of European kings. Then when the King of England tried to tighten his control to oppress his colonists, who were educated with the KJV and knew their God-given rights, they decided it was time to form their own government apart from England. If the royalty wanted to preserve themselves, they never would have printed the KJV since they knew their subjects would be educated about the truth.
[With this being said I also found that of the creation story, 10 Commandments and the flood story are actually stories from other cultures that predate the christian faith by hundreds of years.]
The Christian faith was established in heaven before the foundation of the world so your presumption is incorrect. God had his plan of salvation ready and the death of Christ was prepared before he even spoke the world into existence. The same God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament and he has always existed. When he formed man and man sinned in the beginning, generations for hundreds of years in the early days of Earth were taught about God and his ways. But the majority of men rejected God, so he brought the flood. After the flood, Noah and his sons taught their descendants about God and his ways, but their descendants also rebelled and God separated them and scattered them throughout the Earth when he caused them to speak different languages.
Just because archeologists have discovered records that pre-date what’s written in the Bible doesn’t mean they pre-date God’s word. It just means they have yet to discover any records pre-dating what Egyptians and the writers of the Gilgamesh story wrote. These men who wrote things that are similar to the Bible that pre-date the Bible have merely recorded some of the things they were told by their forefathers like Noah. But since they refused to accept God, they interjected their pagan ideas into the truth and bastardized the truth.
These are the men that Paul talks about in Romans 1 who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature (including humans) more than their Creator. Noah and his sons had given them the truth about creation and other subjects and they wrote down similar things that added their heathen ideas and gods while leaving out parts that glorify Yahweh. So your argument that the pagan writings of Egyptians and Sumerians (who wrote the Gilgamesh stories) came before God’s word isn’t true. The Gilgamesh stories have far more differences than similarities to Noah’s story. Archeological findings have verified time and time again what the Bible records, proving time and time again the Bible’s 100% infallible accuracy when plenty of accounts of ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, and other ancient worlds have been proven inaccurate.
You can choose to believe the lies you’ve been told, but you’d be better off embracing the truth of the Bible.
Now to your argument about symbols. Nowhere in the
Bible can you find the promotion of the practice of wearing a cross or a fish to symbolize Christianity. This is nothing more than a man-made tradition. Using or wearing symbols does not make one a Christian. Although some who claim to be Christians have embraced the ankh as a cross, the ankh is not really a cross and does not look like the crosses used by Romans to crucify people.
The Hebrew word “amen” means “so be it.” The Egyptian word “Amen” means “what is hidden” or “what is not seen.” You can split hairs about the origin of the word all you want. All peoples have always borrowed words from other languages to form words in their own language from ancient times. Latin borrows from Greek. Greek has borrowed from Latin. English has borrowed from Swahili, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Spanish, and so on. So what? When I say amen in my prayers, God knows that I have good intentions and that it has nothing to do with a false god. I don’t even have to use the word if I don’t want to.
I think you’re nitpicking about Christianity so much, not because you’re worried about truth, but you want to cater to your sin nature and you attack Christianity so you can make sure that it’s okay for you to sin without worrying about any repercussions down the road in eternity. So you have to find ways to relieve yourself of worrying about any judgment day to encourage yourself to sin. Your way of looking to justify your hatred for Christianity is very similar to how a white person tries to find out misinformation about blacks or hispanics so they can encourage themselves in their racist mentality.
[christianity and its faith was not spread around the world by the descendants of Christ’s disciples. It was spread around the world by European countries who conquered alot of the earth]
OK, this statement proves to me you haven’t actually read what the Bible says. No wonder you’re disillusioned. Christ said his disciples would spread the gospel worldwide. He did not necessarily include their descendants. Being a descendant of a disciple does not make one a Christian. Furthermore, disciples like Paul and Apollos preached the gospel in parts of Europe and Asia. Philip preached the gospel to an Ethiopian pilgrim on his way to Jerusalem who returned to Ethiopia and spread the gospel. There were also Africans, Asians, Arabs and Europeans in Jerusalem at Pentecost when Peter preached. There were also African Christians in Antioch, Syria who laid hands on Paul and Barnabas when the Holy Spirit moved them. All of this is in Acts.
[The roots of slavery can be traced right back to the church.]
Wrong again. The ancient Egyptians built their empire using slaves. They had nothing to do with the church. The Greek and Roman Empires also had slavery and they had nothing to do with the church. Slavery is an ancient practice that sinful men have always forced on each other. The transatlantic slave trade was preceded by the Arabic slave trade when Arabs conquered neighboring African nations. This Arabic slave trade really exploded when the false prophet Mohammed and his followers came along. They were the ones who gave the idea to the Europeans.
And Africans even enslaved other Africans. Or did you overlook that part of history?
Yes there are atrocities that have been done all over the world by people claiming to be Christian. But just because a person says they are Christian doesn’t meant they are actually Christian. Roman Catholicism, which has committed great atrocities, is NOT Christian. Neither are some of their Protestant offspring. 1 John tells us how we can recognize Christians. We can tell by their spiritual fruit. People who seek to take others’ lives for their own selfish gain are not Christian, according to what 1 John says.
[Councils of european white men have decided what from the dead sea scrolls will be in the official bible available to the commoner.]
First of all, you imply God can’t possibly use white men to carry out his will. How racist. Secondly, the councils of which you speak pre-date by centuries the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. This is proof you haven’t studied history as thoroughly as you claim. So not only have you not studied the Bible, you also have not studied history. Then how do you expect to overcome your lack of knowledge?
Thirdly, the councils of which you speak were for Roman Catholic purposes to form their own Bible. The KJV, as I stated before, was a group of scholars gathered by King James who brought together manuscripts that did not contradict what was known to be true in their comparisons to historical data.
You claim this is an honest inquiry, but based on how you’ve expressed yourself, it isn’t honest. You have some serious racial hangups and resentments that are obvious and are standing in your way of learning what’s really true.
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Hi Im not sure where the conversation has gone but I just had a question about the eye..I am a christian but recently I have become somewhat spiritually connected to the eye I know some people say its evil but I never saw it that way until i read things like this..the eye I am speaking of is most always blue and its also in refference to the blue apple..which may be knowledge of good and evil I dunno just curious I whear a blue eye necklace and its been a bit controversial..I am somewhat ignorant to the subject but in no way question God or Jesus he is and always will be my savior I just have questions also I thought the red eye was the evil one..I dunno..
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The all-seeing eye used in Freemasonry and on top of the pyramid on the U.S. dollar bill is symbolic of the all-seeing eye of Osiris, the brother/husband of the goddess Isis in Egyptology. It is also symbolic of “illumination,” or the opening of the “third eye” in pagan/luciferian teachings since Masons teach that Lucifer is the “light-bearer.”
The Bible, on the other hand, tells us that Lucifer is the one who rebelled against God. He was filled with ungodly pride, attempting to exalt himself above God in heaven, but instead was brought down to hell [see Isaiah 14]. Lucifer is the King of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28 who was an anointed cherub until he chose to sin and was cast out as profane from the mountain of God in heaven.
Mason George H. Steinmetz once said, “The [masonic] symbols are not used in the commonly accepted meaning. It is ‘not by exact resemblance’; there IS a more recondite [hidden, occultic, esoteric] interpretation, as we suspected; it is one of ‘suggestions or association in thought.'” [Steinmetz, George H. “Freemasonry: Its Hidden Meaning, 1948, p. 43].
Osiris and the all-seeing eye are Luciferian, i.e. they refer to Satan and why would any Christian want to have fellowship with Satan? If you truly love Christ as you claim, I would strongly suggest that you cast off your spiritual connectedness to such a symbol.
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I would like to also say that it seems certain people take there specific theories to be fact and really it is just a theory no one really knows for sure what happend a bazzillion years ago.I follow the bible wholeheartedly I take what god shows me in it and I believe his commands and teaching but there simply is not enough evidence in the bible to confirm certain theories about say who built the pyramids ecetera but I do know there is certain hints and clues floating around including the theory of the nephilim and there planet X which actually does have a short reference in the bible 2 peter 2:4..I find it super interesting and I just take everything with an open mind..God will reveal the truth to u and the difference between Good and evil i dont think we have a right to tell a person what they believe is wrong we are all on our own journey and we all recieve revelation in different ways but I can tell u the more accepting you are and willing to listen to what people have to say instead of arguing they are wrong the more truth you will discover:)
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[…it seems certain people take there specific theories to be fact and really it is just a theory no one really knows for sure what happend a bazzillion years ago.]
Archaeology has discovered many writings of men telling us what happened eons ago and the religious beliefs of men from long ago and many of those writings by secular men have shown that the Bible is historically and scientifically accurate in what it says. But since people only seek to accept what unbelievers teach them in our secular society instead of investigating the truth for themselves, they draw some of the same mistaken conclusions you have drawn.
[…there simply is not enough evidence in the bible to confirm certain theories about say who built the pyramids]
Yes, the Bible DOES give enough evidence. What is recorded in the Book of Exodus, that the Jews were slaves of the Egyptians and toiled for them, matches the timelines and depictions recorded by the ancient Egyptians in their hieroglyphs. Once again you have made assumptions based on what you probably heard in secular, unbelieving educational systems and did not take the time to do extensive research. As far as “planet X” is concerned, there is no such planet. The nephilim, who were human, only dwelt on Earth, just like all of us humans have. God never created any other planet to house humankind and the Bible never hints at such a place.
[…i dont think we have a right to tell a person what they believe is wrong we are all on our own journey and we all recieve revelation in different way]
How, then, do you know that this statement of yours is right? I mean if you’re right that we don’t have the right to tell people they’re wrong, you’re basing your statement on a set of standards. Are those standards on which you base your statement correct? The fact that you made such a statement shows that you believe there is such a thing as absolute truth. Otherwise, your statement cannot be accepted as true.
In order for you to be a Christian like you claim, that means someone spoke to you at one time in the past and told you about your sins and that you needed Jesus and that Jesus died for your sins so you could be saved from them. Essentially, someone told you that you were wrong and you believed that you were wrong, so you became a Christian. That is, unless you are not really a Christian.
Furthermore, we were commanded by Christ, who is Lord of heaven and earth, to preach the gospel in Matthew 28. Part of preaching the gospel is letting people know their belief system is out of whack if they have not believed and accepted for themselves that Jesus is Lord. Therefore, we have a God-given right to tell people they’re wrong just like Jesus told the Jews they were wrong about their religious misconceptions.
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To respond to Real talk I got the gist of what you say and coming from a girl raised as a christian in a baptist church I totally sympathise with you lately I have become completely frustrated with so called christians who have alot to say but everything they say is in direct conflict withy what they are saying I know that may be difficult to understand but basically they preach the bible and there actions speak alot louder than there words there words are true but theie heart is not….coming from a recent trip to egypt my mind and my spiritual awareness was so opened and enlightened that it made it impossible for me not to explore the truth and may I tell you the only thing you need to take from the christian world of thing s is Jesus. to us Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through him that I will never deny I believe its the only passage to heaven everyone has to choose at one point or another whether they believe that and I cry for the ones that dont…recently I have also come to knowledge of the anck to the egyptians the key of life,for reasons I cant begin to describe it has also become a part of me and its true the anck was around before the cross and it is the symbol of woman of male and female and in bible times of male dominance I think it was changed to the form of the cross all man.. but this has no relevance to the bible or the christian cross I dont think to christians the cross symbolizes Jesuses death and ressurection thats how i see it. The anch and the cross for me are two seperate symbols both pure. I hope you will recieve one day the truth you are looking for my friend. My advice is dont seek truth through systems of religion discover it for yourself and individuals and ask god to reveal the truth thru wisdom I believe this is the key.
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Shiloh,
If Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, as you claim, then how is it that you believe a man-made symbol like an ankh has any godly significance. It doesn’t matter if the ankh preceded the symbol of the “Christian” cross or not. The ankh is pagan in nature. All Egyptian deities have carried the ankh at one time or another in the Egyptian hieroglyphs. Do you know what those deities represent? The Bible tells us several times that pagan gods represent devils [Leviticus 17:7, Deuteronomy 32:17, Psalm 106:37, 1 Corinthians 10:20].
Pagans/satanists believe that Baphomet (Lucifer) holds the key to eternal life. This is why Egyptian deities have an ankh. And we, as Christians should not have fellowship with devils [1 Corinthians 10:20].
The fact that you acknowledge the ankh is an androgynous symbol also proves the wicked doctrine behind it. Ancient pagans, like those of today, worshiped their gods by participating in ungodly sex practices, like transvestism, bisexuality, fornication, adultery, and homosexuality. They promoted hermaphroditic behaviors when God’s intent has always been that woman is made for man and man is made for the woman. He wanted them to be different because their strength lies in their differences when they come together as God intended.
[…dont seek truth through systems of religion discover it for yourself and individuals and ask god to reveal the truth thru wisdom]
Jesus says, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him,” [John 6:44]. It is only God who can reveal the truth to us. God, the Comforter, “reprove[s] the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment,” [John 16:8] so we can see our need for him in our lives. God speaks the truth to us through his word because his word is truth [John 17:17]. We cannot lean to our own understanding, but must acknowledge him in all our ways so HE can direct our paths [Proverbs 3:5-6].
So systems of religion, like you said, can be a hindrance to us if we’re not careful.
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I was raised a catholic and later became a born again christian, i was taught to respect other people and do no harm,being myself a victim of masonic persecution it amazes me how one or two corrupted masons can use the organization to single out and persecute individuals within society,and the method used putrid,lies ,deceitful statements fabrications aimed at destroying that person`s honor and reputation before his fellow men is just sick.
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Aguimar, when people don’t know Jesus, they are liable to do just about anything if they don’t have some type of moral compass. It’s not only one or two masons that are corrupted. The whole organization is corrupt.
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the masonic organization is a wonderful place, don’t believe that b#!%s^$!. there are bad people in every group… catholic priests, boy scout leaders, coaches, baby sitters, friends, spouses… don’t point fingers at a group, it is the individual that should be punished. From this punishment we learn right from wrong…
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One can point fingers at a group when it constantly lies to hide the truth and when it blatantly uses occultic symbols. An evil tree cannot bear good fruit, and Freemasonry is evil from its roots all the way up to the fruit it bears.
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Your a f*#$^>! idiot buddy. I can tell by the way you talk that YOU are not one “us”. And you speak of a sacred, ancient order like you know about them, and there teachings. Your “Jesus Christ bible thumping” makes me laugh, and the fact that you think my Bretherin are in “league with Lucifer” makes me laugh even harder. Us masons built the world that you live in today. You owe them more respect than that!
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Nick…..being ignorant of your own masonic teachings is more than foolish…read Albert Pike or Manly Hall and you will discover that the masons are full of occult practices…
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Manly Hall became a mason.
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Reading Mackey, Pike and Hall will prove the occultic nature of free masonry.
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Slightly off topic, I just discovered ancient sumaria the birth place of civilization and the Annunaki and these things are older than the old testament, judaism, christianity, and islam which is a common argument people like to indulge in. So we are divided as a species as everyone argues for their religion in how they are really different and better rather than focus on what we have in common.
But everyone has a path and its up to each person to search for their truth. If your lazy just accept what’s before you like this typical argument that freemasonry is evil. Go ahead and let someone think for you. But for myself, I understand man. And I know religion is of man as it was man who decided what books to include in the bible ignoring the Gnostics just the same its man that created ancient societies where they are obligated to help each other first rather than outsiders!!
Obligations….is what every kind of group or club or religion wants of you in some kind of form. This can be expressed in either a direct or indirect sort of way but when the time comes, they rely on your morals to kick in as you have been programmed. Think about that…
I believe that in the beginning of man, which we don’t have much info on…”hey, wheres the missing link?” hehehe… we were taught slavery because we were most likely created to be slaves which propagated. And slavery comes in many forms today its not just freemasonry….
I say, always do good and love well but remember when you raise your hand to point your finger at someone, be careful because you have three fingers pointing back at you….
Can you guess who taught me that one?
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[I just discovered ancient sumaria the birth place of civilization and the Annunaki and these things are older than the old testament, judaism, christianity, and islam which is a common argument people like to indulge in]
This just once again proves the accuracy of the Bible in Genesis. In the writings of Sumeria, there is one who is called “King of Sumer and Akkad.” Genesis 10:10 says that Babel (Babylon) and Accad (Akkad) were in the land of Shinar (Sumer). So thanks for giving more proof that backs what the Bible says, showing that it can be counted on.
[But everyone has a path and its up to each person to search for their truth]
This is just nonsensical, contradictory moral relativism. If my path says your path is a lie, would you accept my truth as the truth? If I’m speeding down the highway doing 90 in a 65 zone and a cop pulls me over, can I tell the cop that I’ve found my truth and it says it’s okay for me to do 90 in a 65? I don’t think so. If your truth says there are gods living on Mt. Olympus, but I prove historically, scientifically, and spiritually that you’re wrong, are we both correct? If your perceived “truth” can be proven wrong with sound reliable facts, then it ceases to be truth.
[If your lazy just accept what’s before you like this typical argument that freemasonry is evil]
If someone gives verifiable facts with verifiable sources that freemasonry is evil, it isn’t being lazy to accept what’s before you. It’s being wise.
[But for myself, I understand man. And I know religion is of man as it was man who decided what books to include in the bible ignoring the Gnostics]
The Bible has the books it has because they stand up to scrutiny and have proven factual information that don’t contradict each other like the Gnostic writings do. We have fulfilled prophecies and historical facts and scientific evidence that backs up what the books in the Bible say. All the gnostics have are unfounded unproven fairy tales.
[Obligations….is what every kind of group or club or religion wants of you in some kind of form]
So? If obligations are based on what is good according to God, no problem. But if obligations are evil, they should be rejected. If my obligations cause harm to innocent people, it’s not a good obligation (such as being paid to kill someone). We are “obligated” to judge whether obligations are good or evil. If you’re obligated to show up to work on time but you don’t, then your boss is obligated to fire you because he is obligated to make sure the business runs like it’s supposed to.
[always do good and love well but remember when you raise your hand to point your finger at someone, be careful because you have three fingers pointing back at you]
…says the guy who’s pointing fingers at me & criticizing my truthful statements.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
your welcome
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Jafra, I’ve already addressed Taxil in this previous comment. Taxil never really was forthcoming about his actions. He probably didn’t want to end up like Captain Morgan, who was killed for publishing Freemason secrets.
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Jafra, I’ll add one more thing. Albert Pike was a member of the Theosophical Society. He was Luciferian. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/New%20Age/theosophy.htm
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http://bible.cc/luke/6-37.htm
🙂
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Jafra, I’ve covered the oft-misquoted scripture people like you love to use to try to silence godliness. It can be found here: https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/06/07/judge-not-lest-ye-be-judged/
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the name of this god is “MAHAKAL NIRANJAN” And He is the lord of the time.I am Hindu Brahman and i have some very ancient books who have photo of this god.
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