Hinduism originated in India and cannot be traced back to a single individual who started it. It is a religion that began before Christ came to earth and is a conglomeration of various beliefs from Aryans who migrated to India mixed with the beliefs of indigenous people of India. Its teachings may differ from sect to sect of the religion, but here are some of its basic teachings compared to the truth that we learn from God’s word:
- Hinduism teaches that life is an endless cycle of rebirths (reincarnation) where all living things die in one bodily form but return in a different bodily form. [For example, the Srimad Bhagavadgita in Chapter VIII, 15-16, 19 says, “Reaching the highest perfection, and having attained Me [the Imperishable, Supreme Brahman], the great-souled ones are no more subject to re-birth—which is the home of pain, and ephemeral. All the worlds, O Arjuna, including the realm of Brahmâ, are subject to return, but after attaining Me [the Imperishable, Supreme Brahman], O son of Kunti, there is no re-birth. …The very same multitude of beings (that existed in the preceding day of Brahmâ), being born again and again, merge, in spite of themselves, O son of Prithâ, (into the unmanifested), at the approach of night, and re-manifest at the approach of day.” ]
- The word of God says in Hebrews 9:27 “…it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” We only have one life to live on this Earth, so it’s imperative that we do right by Yahweh before we die by having faith in his Son, Jesus Christ.
- According to Hindu teachings, men are in need of salvation from reincarnation to become gods and this salvation can only be obtained by ceremonial works such as yoga or having a guru assigned to you. [This is shown in the Srimad Bhagavadgita, Chapter VIII, 27-28 which states, “No Yogi, O son of Prithâ, is deluded after knowing these paths. Therefore, O Arjuna, be thou steadfast in Yoga, at all times. Whatever meritorious effect is declared (in the Scriptures) to accrue from (the study of) the Vedas, (the performance of) Yajnas, (the practice of) austerities and gifts,—above all this rises the Yogi, having known this, and attains to the primeval, supreme Abode.” In other words, the supreme Abode of the Imperishable, Supreme Brahman is attained by merits like austerities and gifts. ]
- God’s word says man is in need of salvation from his sins and this salvation can only come by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, for “[t]his is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,” [1 Timothy 1:15]. “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved,” [Acts 4:12]. The Bible clearly states “by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast,” [Ephesians 2:8-9]. Furthermore, those who are saved will one day receive a resurrection body that will make them equal to the angels (Luke 20:36). Man will never be a god.
- Gurus are a little lower than a god, according to Hinduism. [This teaching is found in Srimad Devi Bhagavatam, the Seventh Book, Chapter 36, 25-27, “So the S’ruti says :– Never do harm to the Guru who imparts the knowledge of Brahma. In all the Siddhântas (decided conclusions) of the S’âstras, it is stated that the Guru who imparts the knowledge of Brahman is the best and the most honourable. If S’iva, becomes angry, the Guru can save; but when the Guru becomes angry, S’ankara cannot save. So the Guru should be served with the utmost care. So the Guru must be served with all the cares that are possible by body, mind, and word one should always please Him. Otherwise he becomes ungrateful and he is not saved.” This teaches the guru can save people from Shiva’s anger but if you anger a guru, you cannot be saved. Mahanirvana Tantra, Chapter 6, 97-98 says, “…and then the line of Gurus should be worshipped. Then, with scent and flowers, worship the four Kula-gurus – namely, Guru, Parama-guru, Parapara-guru, Parameshti-guru.”
- The Bible says man is a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:4,5; Hebrews 2:6-9). God gave us warning in Acts 12:21-23 about men who want to exalt themselves to god-status when he took Herod Antipas’ life after the people proclaimed Antipas was a god.
- Hinduism is polytheistic. One of their goddesses is Kali, who murders people at will for enjoyment. Her lover/husband, the god Shiva the Destroyer (Destroyer is also Satan’s name in the Bible), is also merciless and seeks to destroy people’s lives for the fun of it. Sometimes the two gods are graphically depicted having sex and Shiva’s followers worship his male member, known as the lingam.
- The Bible says there is only one God (Ephesians 4:5-6) and he does not delight in destroying lives (Ezekiel 33:11).
- Hinduism promotes a caste system where some people are considered superior to others and are treated better. [The four castes, or varnas, are denoted in the Manusmriti, the laws of Manu.]
- God’s word says having respect of persons (showing favoritism) based on one’s socioeconomic status or any other worldly status is evil (James 2:1-9).
- Hinduism says there is no absolute truth; truth is subjectively based on what each individual believes.
- Jesus said God’s word is the truth (John 17:17) and anything opposed to God or his word is evil (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22).
- Hinduism has Brahmans who are religious leaders that use astrology, or planetary deities known as the navagrahas (nine planets), to direct their followers’ lives.
- Jehovah is against diviners and observers of times (Deuteronomy 18:10-14).
- Some Hindus think that the God of Christianity is Santa Claus because he rewards good and punishes the bad.
- Jehovah, who executes judgment and justice on Earth, rewards those who turn from their sins in repentance and punishes evil, but he is merciful and longsuffering and is willing to forgive any sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Santa Claus is not Christian or biblical, but is a creation of the Roman Catholic heresy.
- The gods of the Hindus do not forgive sins and are not interested in saving their worshippers. If someone does anything wrong, the individual has to face the karma that results from their actions whether they are sorry or not.
- The God of the Bible is always willing to show his mercy and forgiveness to those who are truly sorry for their wrongs and many times reverses the punishment the person would have received if they had not repented. (Isaiah 38:1-6; Jonah 3)
- In the Hindu text of the Mahabharata, Book 1: Ada Parva: Adivansavatarana Parva section LXIV, the Earth is described as being supported on the back of an elephant who is held up by a tortoise. In the Hindu text Vishnu Purana: Book 1: Chapter IV, the Earth is said to have been raised up from a huge ocean by a large boar with tusks and that the boar set the Earth to float on the summit of the ocean. [added June 20, 2008]
- In the Bible, in Job 26:7, it states that God hanged the Earth on nothing (i. e. he suspended it in space). While the Hindu scriptures obviously contradict each other and pass off fairy tales as the truth, the Bible states truth that was verified by science centuries after God revealed the truth to Job. [added June 20, 2008]
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Thanks for the comparison. I have Hindu friends, so this information is good to know.
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this info is a complete s**t
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…”Anonymous” says without offering any proof to disprove the info. Which would be a worthless endeavor anyway since direct quotes from Hindu scripture has proven the points made.
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Wrong information about hinduism. Cannot believe a fair review by believer of Christianity. One sided article, unfair to Hinduism. Just in hurry to christianity is better than Hinduism.
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Wow, rai.
You’ve made such a compelling argument with all the facts you’ve quoted and sources you’ve listed. No one has made that argument here before. It’s so unique–RME with SNH.
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– Matthew 11 & 17 talks about the reincarnation of Elijah.
– James, the brother of Jesus, also talks about salvation through works.
– Actually the scripture in Psalms 8:5 says “Elohim” or God NOT angels.
– Christianity is also polytheistic: God, Jesus, Holy Spirit are all God. Jesus was on earth while God was in heaven. He prayed to God, he talked about God, etc. The “mystery” of the Trinity does not really hide this fact.
– The Bible also promotes a caste system. The Israelites were better than everyone else. In fact Jesus himself called a Canaanite woman a dog.
– Christians also do not believe that God’s word is truth. Do women speak in church? Absolutely! Is marrying a divorced woman ok? Absolutely! All against the Word but cultural acceptable now.
– Christianity promotes astrology with the wise men following a star to the birth of Christ. Obviously there’s some truth there since they were dead on right about the birth of Christ (which they learned of from the stars).
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Hey there- allow me to offer a few words of disagreement.
Matthew 11 speaks of the ministry of John the Baptist as a fulfillment of the ministry of Elijah- not a reincarnation of the prophet.
In Matthew 17 the prophet is seen as he was. According to 2 Kings 2, Elijah was taken to God’s presence without dying- so he cannot be reincarnated, having never died.
The letter of James is written to explian to Christians how their lives should look as a result of their salvation by grace. James’ argument is that dead faith is not true faith; those who claim to have new life should live out the princliples of that new life.
Psalm 8:5 does use elohim- but says that man is created lower than God; The writer of Hebrews is using the Greek Old Testament which uses the word ‘angels’
The Trinity is not polytheism. A concept that is difficult to explain to be sure- but each person of the Godhead is the same God- not different or seperate divinities.
The Bible has done more to equalize and harmonize the races. Misapplication of the texts by flawed people does not reduce the message of the Bible. Jewish exclusivism based on race was a sin that God judged them for. Check out Deuteronomy 7:7-8. A fair reading of the book of Acts shows a great inclusiveness regardless of gender or color or age. There is more going on in Jesus’ comment than a racial slur.
Some Christians do not believe that the Bible is God perfect word- but many of us do- based on careful thought and study. As far as women speaking in church- study is required to understand exactly what Paul was saying there. As a pastor, I will not remarry a divorced person except on Biblical grounds of abandonment or unfaithfulness by their former spouse. Please be respectful not to paint all of us under your broad brush strokes.
The Bible records astrological practice but it does not condone it. The Magi also had access to the Jewish Scripture- particularly Daniel -which also led them to conclude the birth of the Jewish Messiah.
Not a comprehensive response, but enought I hope to cause you to look more deeply into these matters.
In Jesus’ Name
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Good insight, PC. Thanks for sharing.
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a couple things.. the holy trinity is Catholicism mainly, not all christians are as heavily into that, and there all considered the same, not seperate, so NO, its not polytheistic. jesus is god in the human/earthly form.
and as far as the astrology comment goes, they used the star to go north, and they didnt go to the place in which christ was born, by the time they would have reached him, he would have been almost, or at least 2 years old, and living elsewhere.
and everything “PC” said is the truth. very well said.
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Thanks for commenting, “16 year old.” It’s a pretty good comment, but I just have a couple of minor corrections for you. There are still a large number of non-Catholic Christians who believe in the trinity, although a few non-Catholics deny the trinity such as those in the “Apostolic” denomination.
The second correction is that the wise men came from the east and followed the star which was to their west to find our Lord. I must admit I’m impressed by your knowledge. Most teens I encounter aren’t as spiritually astute as you seem to be so I pray you remain strong in your faith.
God bless you.
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Brother there is only one God. His name is Jesus.just read John(1:1)
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brother just shove it and beleve in more than one way whaT IF you are wrong then where will you go
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The Bible has too much information that is true and accurate and proven for it to be wrong. You should ask yourself what if you are wrong because you are in for a rude awakening if you don’t repent & confess Jesus as your Lord.
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Father, son and thr holyspirit are all one god…they are not different gods..
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The name of the comment from agnostic atheist above should probably read “Twisting the Bible to support Hinduism” since that’s what is done. But I’ll have more on this in a follow-up comment.
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agnosticatheist,
In the Matthew scriptures where Jesus speaks of John the Baptist, he is pointing out that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. He had the same type of calling from God that Elijah had. John was like Elijah, not the reincarnation of him.
James does not speak of salvation through works. He speaks of salvation resulting in works that follow as proof that one is saved. He just reiterated what Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.”
I cover the meaning of Psalm 8:5 in my post “Is man a little lower than God or a little lower than the angels?” as mentioned in my post above.
The Trinity is not polytheism since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Our one God manifests himself in three ways. Just because our finite minds can’t understand an infinite God doesn’t give us the right to place God in the box of our understanding.
The Israelites were not better than everyone else. Jesus died for all mankind because all have sinned. He called the Canaanite woman a dog to test her faith to see if she would be wise enough to persist on getting the miracle she needed for her daughter.
Christians sin just like everyone else but that doesn’t take away from what God commands us to do. Each of us has to answer to God for him or herself for our actions. The Bible allows women to speak in church. I will cover this in depth later.
Astrology is not promoted. Just like our astronomers look through telescopes to see what magnificent things are happening in the heavens (like the death of stars or approaching comets), these wise men who were scientists did the same. These men were not reading their horoscopes.
But, of course, I could talk until I’m blue in the face and you still wouldn’t get it because you’re a fool who loves sin and hates God. Yet, even in the midst of loving your sin, you are miserable deep down inside especially when you’re alone with no one else around to distract you from your wicked thoughts.
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world [Satan] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt …” (Psalm 14:1)
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Namasthe: With all respects to you and Christianity, so many things you have written about Hinduism is NOT true.
1 Hindu scriptures state man’s problem is that he falsely identify himself/herself as the PERISHABLE, MATERAIL BODY. The moment he realizes that he is the IMMORTAL SOUL or ATMAN within the body, he will attain salvation or SELF REALIZATION.
Salvation is not to become gods. No scripture state like that. Salvation is to REALIZE ONE IS THE IMMORTAL SOUL WITHIN.
2 Self-Realization means that REALIZING ONE IS THE IMMORTAL SOUL and NOT the PERSISHABLE MATERAIL BODY.
3 Until one attains SELF –REALIZATION, man undegoes many births and deaths [ reincarnations.]
4. Hindu scriptures do NOT profess monopoly on God or truth.
5. According to Hindu scriptures SALVATION IS FOR ALL, irrespective one is Hindu or not.
6. SALVATION or SELF REALIZATION is attained through one of the four methods.
A. JNANA YOGA [introspection and meditation ]
B. KARMA YOGA [ unmotivated selfless actions ]
C. RAJA YOGA [ through Parnayama & other breathing exercises ]
D. BHAKTI YOGA [ through complete surrender to God ] Most people of all religions adhere to this method.
7. Hindus worship ONE & ONLY GOD, which is NAMELESS & FORMLESS and which expresses itself in trillions of forms. That is the reason why Hindus have no problem worshping that God by any name or form. Hindus have no problem worshiping that God as Jesus or Allah or Buddha or Krishna or Rama or anything you can think of .
8. All worships start with a God with NAME & FORM and when the devotee matures in devotion he or she ends up with a GOD, who has no name or form.
9 Hinduism DOES NOT promotes a caste system. True, Caste system started as DIVISION OF LABOR during the time of Rig Veda. But it got degenarated and it was sadly abused. In 1949, soon after independence from Britain, Govt. of India made it a criminal offense to practice UNTOUCHABILITY. Still in many parts of India, you can come across the ugly relics of caste system. I am so happy, today Govt. of India provides quota system for Untouchables, in all professional colleges, and in Government jobs. Now so many people including me is trying very hard to eradicate caste system completely in India.
10 The concepts of UTMOST FREEDOM OF THOUGHTS and ACTIONS. attract many to Hinduism.
Hinduism never forbids any one to question its fundamentals. There was never a SALMAN RUSHDIE [author of Satanic Verses] in Hinduism and never will be there one. Even atheists can call themselves as Hindus. That is very true. In fact the CHARVAKA philosophy or NASTIKA philosophy, [existed during the Vedic period] founded by CHARVAKA rejected the existence of God and considered religion as an aberration.
Voltaire in Essay on Tolerance wrote: I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it. Hinduism is the representation of what Voltaire wrote.
Thanks for reading.
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In your attempts to sanitize the lies Hinduism teaches, you have only proven some points I made in my post. I did say that Hinduism has various sects with various beliefs and the points in my post highlight what the majority of Hindus teach.
You claim Hinduism never forbids anyone to question it. Then why is there so much persecution of Christians by Hindus in India? The website christianpersecution.info has many news stories of how intolerant Hindus are of Christians and of those who convert from Hinduism to Christianity.
Realizing that one is an immortal soul has nothing to do with true salvation. Hinduism’s version of salvation is not salvation at all. Salvation only comes through believing in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from sin and its impending punishment, not through breathing exercises or good works or meditation. Therefore, Hinduism says there are many ways to God or many ways to salvation. Your point 4 is what I said in my post about Hinduism’s claim that there is no absolute truth.
You claim a person has reached maturity in Hinduism when they end up with a nameless, formless god. This type of god is impersonal and is a force, a thing, and not a person. The God of Christianity is a person and can be known personally. He has a glorious spiritual form which no man has seen, yet at the same time he chose to appear in bodily form as Jesus Christ so men could see him and touch him. He has a name–Jehovah or Yahweh.
The salvation you claim to seek in your religion is really no salvation at all. The underlying theme of your salvation is that one must reach self-realization, but how do you know when you reach that point? Can you ever be 100% sure of it? No, you can’t. So you keep following meaningless rituals that get you nowhere with the vain hope that maybe you might one day reach your salvation. How pathetic! Those of us who truly believe in Jesus know for a fact we have true salvation (1 John 5:13). Our salvation is based on solid truth, not speculation or false hopes. Our hopes will one day be fulfilled because we serve a God who has predicted tangible events before they happened. Then when the specific events came to pass, he showed that he is the God who keeps his word.
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Surety is for babies. There are no absolutes. intelligence is acknoledgement of one’s ignorance.
Beyond all of this, if you claim the only path to salvation, you are already wrong. To discount thoughts of other more ancient religions and huge population who do not believe in same process as you is idiocy and ignorance.
Solid truth is good for you as belief in solid truth is what the ignorant believes in and are happy. In the end happiness is true bliss.
However the minute you step on someone else toes, beware. What is good for you is not truth nor a semblance of it for others. Acknowledge that and you will be better off for it.
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So you claim there are no absolutes. How can you be absolutely sure about that if there are no absolutes? If there are no absolutes, then your statement is a contradiction–it defeats itself and cannot be true itself. This shows that you are ignorant and therefore by your own admission, your aren’t intelligent since those who are intelligent acknowledge their ignorance. So that makes two contradictory statements that you’ve already made right there.
Hindu is not more ancient than worshiping the God of the Bible as I’ve already pointed out in previous comments. You say I’m already wrong if I claim Christianity is the only path to salvation, but where’s your proof of that? That’s just your opinion. When I stated my views above, I gave solid evidence for it so if you want to argue against me, you should at least pretend to do the same. Where’s your historical, scientific, or spiritual evidence?
If happiness is true bliss, does that mean the murderer has reached spiritual enlightenment? Murderers are happy when they kill the ones they hate. When liars deceive people, they are very happy about it. So does this mean they are truly blissful? Your statement doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
So according to you, what’s true for you is not true for others. Is that true for everybody? This is another foolish self-defeating statement. If a thief gets caught in the act by the police, can he tell the police that his being a thief is true for them, but not true for him? If I go to the bank and want to take out more money than what the bank says I have in my account, can I argue that the amount they claim is true for them, but not true for me?
Your arguments just show how foolish you are. So thanks for revealing that to us and giving us the grounds to dismiss what you’ve said.
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Notice how this guy takes off any comment that really does contradict his statements. The guy is nothing more than a loon. First of, nothing on this website has anything to do with the real Hinduism. The website is completely false, written by a kindergartner and he gives this as evidence that Christianity is true. I would believe there are reincarantions of God moreover than a guy who crucifies himself and calls him the son of God. Hinduism is totally more realistic because it is a religion that never changes. Bible was written by men and include the new and old testament. If you want to believe the truth, you can never change God’s word and that is just what this religion did. If anything, Jesus is the devil because religion should not have to convert to get the message across.
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…close minded fool,
Your comment and plenty of other comments that don’t agree with me are in plain sight here, so that makes you a liar. I quoted directly from Hindu scripture and gave the source of the quotes in Hindu scripture where they’re found so anyone can look them up to verify what I’ve said. So again you’ve lied in your comment about my post not having to do with real Hinduism. I’ve quoted scripture and then gave scientific and historical evidence in previous comments above to show that the Bible is 100% reliable. For example, in Isaiah 40 it says God stretches out the heavens and Edwin Hubble discovered in the early 20th century that the universe is expanding, or stretching, just like the Bible says. I assure you a kindergartner wouldn’t know such things and the evidence I give is solid, so you’ve lied again.
Hinduism is hardly realistic. Hindu scripture says an elephant and a turtle and a wild boar have held up the Earth at one time or another. How is that realistic? You apparently don’t know much about Hinduism since you state it never changes. If you knew anything about Hindu scripture, you would know that Brahmans and gurus have the power to change Hindu scripture when they deem it necessary. Therefore, it’s teachings fluctuate and are changeable which makes them unstable and unreliable. You’ve been caught in yet another lie.
The Bible was written by truthful, God-fearing men who knew better than to change God’s word. Bible manuscripts written thousands of years ago that are part of what we call the Textus Receptus match what is in the King James Version of the Bible today. So the meaning of what is in the Bible never changes.
Jesus didn’t crucify himself. The true and living God, who is only found in the Bible, required in the beginning that there must be a payment for man’s sinful ways. Jesus Christ made that payment because he was the only one who could make that payment for all of mankind because he was perfect and sinless. That’s not so hard to believe since we know there are sinful people who walk this Earth that love other people so much they would die for them if the life of the person they love is in danger. Then why is it so hard to believe that a sinless man, who was God in the flesh, would die for all humanity?
Since it is obvious that your statements are lies, they can be thrown out as worthless and as having no value.
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You must be kidding me,
“Hinduism is polytheistic. One of their goddesses is Kali, who murders people at will for enjoyment. Her lover/husband, the god Shiva the Destroyer (Destroyer is also Satan’s name in the Bible), is also merciless and seeks to destroy people’s lives for the fun of it. Sometimes the two gods are graphically depicted having sex and Shiva’s followers worship his male member, known as the lingam.”
WT_? Any person who knows Hinduism, yes even the most racist, close-minded people down South, know that this is not true at all. Yes, Kali is the destroyer, but you don’t even know half the meaning of it. Forget me explaining this to you because you would just turn it around to make Christianity looks better. Also, Hinduism was never is still is not polytheistic. There is only one God Brahma and all the reincarnations are depicted after him. People, in general, never have to worry about worshipping one God that may or may not be true, when they can worship their own form of him at any time. If God is really Jesus Christ, the holy spirit, and the father; you are putting a limit on him as being a trinity. Clearly, Christianity may have some of the meanings of what God could be but nothing more.
“Hinduism promotes a caste system where some people are considered superior to others and are treated better.”
If anything, the caste system is based on labor force, but like I said, I will make it simple, even though you will probably still screw up the meanings. It’s like calling the southern states, farm states, and the northern states, industrial. Hinduism does not teach inequality at all, but it came about as a byproduct of many years of takeover from other armies (Aryans, Muslims, etc.).
“The gods of the Hindus do not forgive sins and are not interested in saving their worshippers. If someone does anything wrong, the individual has to face the karma that results from their actions whether they are sorry or not.”
It would be more believable that God would base his reasoning on you with a check and balance system (karma) more than just forgiving sins on first sight. There is no explanation for this if one were to go out to murder someone, believe in Christianity, and do it again. The devil would pretty much put this out there because he’ll forgive anything once.
The article at the bottom from an unverified Guru that has a line read “This is Kali, one of the millions of gods of Hinduism. She is the murderous, blood-thirsty consort to Shiva, another god, who is laying down in this picture. She dances on top of him and sometimes squats down on his poo-poo (called a lingham).”
Any article that has this as the first sentence destroys all credibility that you have to say on the subject. I could just as easily make up crap for this line.
“All paths DO NOT lead to God. Jesus said, “I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE; NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.”
It’s not easy to deny the fact that if there is only one true way, it could be the devil that intends it to be that way. To believe he can get you to God and say there is only one way is pretty scary if you ask me. Christians, in general, are very giving people, I’ll give them that; however, I would never choose to believe in a very close-minded religion. It is obvious that one religion must put another down in order to get more followers, but people will logically be able to figure this out. Hinduism is mostly based on metaphors and real events can actually be seen to have taken place in India. Unless you can find a CREDIBLE article stating facts, I deem this article to be irrelevant and a waste of time to all those that read it.
Don’t forget also. Under Christianity, women still had to gain their rights, blacks had to earn their freedom, and native Americans had to deal with whatever land they lost because some close-minded individuals thought it was a God given right to take over another’s property. They tried to do it in India and lost at the hands of non-violence a.k.a. Hindus.
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…close minded fool,
Hinduism is polytheistic just like I said. And Hindu scripture proves it. You don’t have to explain about Kali because you are more than likely clueless about Kali since you don’t even know that Hindu scripture says there are gods and goddesses, which means it is polytheistic. Here are some examples:
In Rig Veda, Book 10, Hymn XVII, entitled “Various Deities,” v. 3 says “Guard of the world, whose cattle ne’er are injured, may Pūṣan bear thee hence, for he hath knowledge. May he consign thee to these Fathers’ keeping, and to the gracious Gods let Agni give thee.” In that same hymn v. 10 says “The Mother Floods shall make us bright and shining, cleansers of holy oil, with oil shall cleanse us: For, Goddesses, they bear off all defilement: I, rise up from them purified and brightened.” The dictionaries say a deity is a god. If the hymn is titled “various deities” that means it is talking about more than one god. And the verses in the hymn says there are gods and goddesses.
Rig Veda, Book 10, Hymn XXVIII titled “Various Deities” says “Go hence, O Death, pursue thy special pathway apart from that which Gods are wont to travel. …Divided from the dead are these, the living: now be our calling on the Gods successful,” in verses 1 and 3.
Rig Veda, Book 1, Hymn I titled “Agni”, v. 5 says “May Agni, sapient-minded Priest, truthful, most gloriously great,The God, come hither with the Gods.” So this is a hopeful prayer that Agni, a god, will come forth with other gods.
Rig Veda, Book 10, Hymn LXXII entitled “The Gods,” says “LET US with tuneful skill proclaim these generations of the Gods, That one may see them when these hymns are chanted in a future age. …For Aditi, O Dakṣa, she who is thy Daughter, was brought forth. After her were the blessed Gods born sharers of immortal life,” in verses 1 and 5. So Aditi was the mother goddess who birthed the other gods and goddesses.
So you are either unaware of what Hinduism teaches or you’re just lying.
Believing in the trinity is not placing limits on God. It’s telling the truth about God. God is not a man that he should lie. He lets us know in his word that “there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” 1 John 5:7. The Bible is 100% true. It tells us that in ancient Israel, kings Omri and Ahab of Israel battled the Moabite king Mesha. Then in 1868, this was proven true when the Moabite Stone was found near the Dead Sea that gave an ancient account of those wars. The Bible tells us that the universe was created by God out of nothing, then scientists discovered the 2nd law of thermodynamics and Einstein came up with his theory of general relativity which proved the universe was created out of nothing, just like the Bible says. So if the Bible is historically and scientifically accurate, that means what it says about the one true God is accurate and everything else, including Hindu scriptures, are a bunch of fairy tales since they don’t agree with the Bible.
The caste system was set up for Brahmins and gurus and the rich to oppress the poor. And the history of India and Nepal prove this. So don’t even try to pass off your revisionist history as the truth.
And the facts I highlighted about the Bible’s accuracy and your faulty thinking shows that your take on what you think about Christianity being close-minded and your doubts about one way to heaven are not to be trusted.
Christianity did not oppress women, blacks, or Native Americans. Evil men oppress their fellow man and will misuse the Bible to do it, just like man will set up false religions like Hinduism and the caste system to oppress their fellow man. Such men may corrupt the word of God for selfish purposes, but those of us who are genuine Christians “are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ,” [1 Corinthians 2:17].
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I have never seen anyone as narrow minded as you Mr.Harryagaylord.
How do you know that what Bible say about salvation is true. Does the Bible give you any proof for it? How do you know Bible is not lying? Because it tells you about miracles? Every religion has miracles
Hinduism tells you what might be the real salvation and tells you to feel it for yourself while you live this life itself. It does not tell you to blindly and fanatically follow a book while hoping that will reward you in heaven…
Hinduism and Vedas tell you it is OK TO BE A SKEPTIC THAN TO BE A HYPOCRITE. GET IT?
Answer this simple question. If your logic of heaven and hell is right, what makes it right for God to create me and put me in a world where i will be vulnerable for sinning and then punish me for having sinned? I never volunteered to be born in this world. If God had asked me if you would like to be born in the world i would have told him to “BUG OFF”. why would i take the risk of sinning by being born in this world and risk eternal damnation?
Now if i have come into this world involuntarily, i have every right to protest against eternal damnation. The system of eternal damnation will be preposterously unfair…
So reincarnation is ok where you are given chances many times to live a sinless life all the while being temporarily punished by karma for your past sins. And in the end you become one with God. Fair enough? To me it is…
Because we have always been a tolerant lot Hindus take all the insults they can from fanatics like you, while steadily practicing our religion. It is so heartbreaking to see that you take our Ahimsa(non-violence) as our weakness and constantly pick on us…
Oh, btw about the Christians persecuted you said, it was by Hindutvavadis- a group of post-independent period fanatics, who are a new phenomenon to Hinduism. The ever-tolerant Hindu always believes in Ahimsa and hopes they will vanish soon.
And Christians too have persecuting Hindus in India. I can give you urls so that you can read about it yourself? would this ever happen anywhere else in the worls? a minority population persecuting the majority? It happens only in India and only for Hindus.
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Hi
I feel sorry for your misunderstanding. The Bible is the only true word of God and soon you will be knowing it. We all are from ADAM and Eve and all against GOD is due to disbelief on God. Ham was the lead for all other religions.
We are almost at the end of time. If time permits read the Book Called “Great Controversy” by EG White.
May God bless you with understanding.
With love in God
James
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James–thanks for your comment. Just one correction though. Well, actually two corrections. Firstly, it was Nimrod, Ham’s grandson, who prompted people into false religions when he ruled over everyone and had the Tower of Babel built. Secondly, E.G. White of the Seventh Day Adventists has been shown to be a plagiarist in her book “The Great Controversy” and was exposed as a false prophetess. The only book anyone needs to read to find out about God is the Bible.
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Can vignesh answer me a question?
my parents were hindus some years back too, They realised that all hindu gods are dumb idols.
Jesus speaks, He spoke to me many times . Ask him he will tell you what the truth is.
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I felt i saw the hindu god i believe in. just because you felt a different god spoke to you may make him true for you, not for others. So do not presume.
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MG,
Truth is not based on how one feels. If I feel that my wife is cheating on me, but the facts prove she isn’t, then my feelings aren’t valid. The same goes for Hinduism. The facts prove that it’s based on lies and I’ve pointed out plenty of those facts above and your feelings aren’t valid. So the only one being presumptuous is you. And I already touched on your self-defeating statement in my previous comment about what’s true for you not being true for others. You’re essentially claiming that there is no absolute truth. If that idea is true then your statement can’t be the truth since there is no absolute truth.
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Mr. Harryagaylord,
Please read about the “Dvaita” system and “Puranas” within Hindu philosophy.
You will be able to discern the similarities about various things you mentioned about that are within the Bible.
You say the majority of Hindus teach that. Do you have any statistical evidence? Even if they do, thats a problem with misunderstanding, not a problem with the philosophy itself.
Please do not spread misinformation about a system/philosophy that you probably have no clue about.
Humbly,
Hindu
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Hindu,
How do I know what the Bible says about salvation is true? Because historical accounts given in the Bible about the people who actually lived during biblical times (like the Herods) and their customs have been proven to be true through the years by historical records found by archaeologists. For example, the ruins of the city of Ur (where Abraham in the Old Testament grew up) were discovered in 1854 and then explored extensively from 1918 to the 1930s. Before then there was no proof it existed. In 1906, clay tablets were found 90 miles east of Ankara in Asia Minor (Turkey) that testified to the empire of the ancient Hittites mentioned in the Bible. Prior to these tablets, no history existed to tell that these people really roamed the earth.
There are many other great archaeological discoveries that verify what is in the Bible. And, I might add, no one has ever found Jesus’ body. Why? He rose from the dead like the Bible says. But one must have faith to please God, which you obviously don’t have. Once we come to God, he increases knowledge and verifies what he tells us. Your so-called gods only tell you lies and your gullible, sinful heart would rather have the lies than the truth because you love darkness rather than light.
Man is to blame for his own sins, not God as you say. Man chose to rebel against God and God established a universal law eons ago that evil must be punished and righteousness rewarded. He gave man a choice to either pay for his own sins by going to hell or accept Jesus Christ’s payment for our sin and go to heaven. It is man’s choice where he ends up. God is not willing that any man should perish, but he does not force people to make the right choice.
Your being born in this world is involuntary, but your choosing to sin and to remain a sinner is all your fault, especially after God shows you the way to avoid eternal damnation. If you turn it down, you deserve to go to hell. God has given you several chances over and over to make the right decisions. Reading this post was another chance from God for you to get things right, but once again you resisted God. If you’re on a road going towards a collapsed bridge and there are people and signs warning you not to go down that road but you choose not to listen, who’s at fault when you drive over the edge to your demise? God? I don’t think so.
Your belief system is worthless and cannot save you.
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Mr. Hindu,
I don’t need to learn about any pagan philosophies in any Hindu writings. I already have enough on my spiritual plate fighting off my own sinful nature and outside attacks from Satan without adding more deceptions by reading things that promote falsehoods.
God told me in his word “Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jeremiah 10:2) and since his advice has never failed me, I’ll stick to it. Those who spread a different gospel than the one in the Bible are accursed, according to God’s word.
So far all of the responses I’ve gotten from Hindus to this post have only highlighted how true my post is. All of you have stated beliefs about Hinduism that I said Hindus have. You’re just upset because I point out the fact that Hinduism is a lie.
Alagu,
True Christians don’t persecute people. Just because someone says they are Christian doesn’t mean they’re Christian.
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[God told me in his word “Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jeremiah 10:2) and since his advice has never failed me, I’ll stick to it. Those who spread a different gospel than the one in the Bible are accursed, according to God’s word.]
But how do you know that others are spreading a different gospel?
when you dont even know the content of the other philosophies.
I dont know much about Bible (and I accept that), but can safely assume that if it was a word of “God”, He could not have said “be intolerant towards others whether you understand their ways or not.”
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Hindu,
I have researched Hinduism to know what it teaches. You implied in your first comment that I should read more about its philosophies to embrace its doctrines. The god of Hinduism is different than the true and living God who speaks in the Bible. The Bible is not “a word” of God, it is “the word” of God. The Bible states that anyone who does not preach that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for our sins, and rose from the dead after three days in the grave, is not a worshipper of the true God. That’s how I discern what is a different gospel.
Jesus Christ, who is God, taught us to love our enemies and do good to them, but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate their false doctrines. We as Christians are commanded to love God and to love our neighbor, but to hate sin and all false doctrine, including Hinduism, is sin.
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Dear Sir,
Your views about Hinduism seem tp originate from some book bearing a title resembling-“Injya-the land of snake charmers and Hindoos”, written by somebody who can’t as much as name the continent India is in.
I am sorry, but you mention that you have done your research, and yet you hold such grave misconceptions-surely, and sadly, you have been doing research in all the wrong places.
-Salvation doesn’t make you “a god”. It makes you “one with God”. It makes you a part of the supreme being.
-Ceremonies and gurus only help-salvation is achieved only when you understand and embrace God.
-When it is said that gurus are a little lower than God-we don’t mean to undermine God’s importance. We are trying to convey the importance a guru plays-as he is the one who sets you off on the path towards God.
-Hinduism too believes in “one God”. In fact, most Hindu schools are monistic.
-Hinduism doesn’t PROMOTE or advocate a caste system (contrary to popular belief).
Having answered all other points, I now come to the last 2 points that you mentioned.
🙂 Pardon my use of such words, but they are nothing short of ridiculous. And to think that you mention having done some research!! I would love to meet the person who gave you such silly ideas about Hinduism!
Hinduism says that the main aim of one’s life is to try and attain the absolute truth. How one does this, is left to one’s discretion. That is, one isn’t bound by any particular text, methodology, ceremony, person, etc. to succeed in his quest for the absolute truth.
And as far as the last point is concerned, I am sure that you shall laugh at it some day when you come across some real Hindu scripture.
Kindly refrain from making such statements and comparisons – with a half-baked knowledge from unreliable sources.
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Hmm Its so ironic, foolish and funny that people who couldnt even protect their Holy land are talking about salvation. Look mate first go and grab ur Holy Land and then try 2 argue with us. If ur a true lover of Christ then y dont u comeair on a TV show and put forward ur thought u creep. If it wasnt for imperialism then ur religion might have been limited to the wall of EUROPE. You people came to out land tried to destroy our culture but we have soo deep roots of our belief that it could not take away our faith from us. Be brave enough to acept the truth LOSER and find urself a job.
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Chistians who follow the bible are not grabbers.
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Hai sir
How can u say that Christians came here to distroy ur culture?
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Its funny how its only the Hindus on this site are name calling…I guess like their ridiculous religion…they are full of it!!!
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Mayank,
I have never even heard of the book you mention, so that’s not where I got my research from. The idea of becoming “one with God” is the same lie that Satan told Eve in the beginning when he said “ye shall be as gods.” It’s just different wording on the same idea and it’s an idea straight from the pit of hell.
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father (God, Jehovah) but by me.” Jesus Christ is the only one who can give man salvation. The only path a guru lays out is the path to destruction, or hell. The Brahmans and gurus promoted a caste system starting centuries ago which has only started to diminish in recent decades. As a matter of fact, Buddha started his religion to protest the injustices of the caste system set up by the Brahmans. Have you researched your history lately?
The Bible says we are sinners who are blinded by sin and Satan. Because of that sin, “every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD pondereth the hearts.” In other words, we can’t recognize our own sin until God points it out to us, so a person cannot use their own discretion to find absolute truth. “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death,” and that way includes false religions like Hinduism.
My knowledge is not half-baked or unreliable. You are deceived and walking in darkness. You need to repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord because he’s the only Lord. I will make as many statements as needed for as long as needed against any falsehoods that God allows me to speak against. I’ve been commanded by God to do so and I have to obey God rather than people like you who resist the truth.
Krishna,
The battle over the Holy Land of which you speak was not Christian. It was about a greedy Pope that headed Catholicism who was looking to increase his earthly influence. Catholicism is not, I repeat, NOT Christian. It is a cheap imitation of Christianity, just like Hinduism is a cheap imitation of the truth. You’ve gotten your history twisted. Don’t believe everything people tell you. If you took the time to investigate things for yourself instead of being so gullible, you might come to the realization that Jesus Christ is truly Lord and that you have been dead in your trespasses and sins which keep you separated from the true and living God.
I have accepted God’s truth and that’s why I’m more than a conqueror through Jesus Christ. That makes me a winner, not a loser, for I have obtained eternal life through him with victory over death, sin, and hell, praise God! Oh, BTW I have a job.
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Dont worry mate u will be slaughtered like a pig very soon. we knew the location of ur system……………
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Dear Harry
A hypothetical question:
Suppose I were born in an amazonian tribe and had lived all my life as a good individual adhering to the moral standards as prescribed by the tribal culture and having never had any expose to your false christian religion(i think it’s time i acted like a fanatic too) and in the end die as a tribal,
would i still be sent to hell for not having known Christ?
If that were to happen your god is the most unfair individual ever to have existed…
SO once again, I’M PROUD TO BE A SKEPTIC IN SEARCH OF KNOWLEDGE THAN TO BE A HYPOCRITE CHRISTIAN WHO ALWAYS HAS A DOUBT IN A CORNER OF THE MIND IF BIBLE IS TRUE…
And about the archaelogical data u gave, what does that have anything to do with the credibility of your false book bible and false prophet Jesus
Your false god is more like santa claus… kids are told santa rewards them if they are good. you are told ur false god will punish you if you are bad. to put it simply christians are kids who refuse to grow up and see the truth for themselves
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I know Jesus is with me i feel is presence all the time,you wont believe it but He has saved me innumerable times,He has transformed my life.i could go on and on about Him.God is more intelligent and just than all the intelligence of humanity put together,and i believe in His justice and wisdom.about your question its impossible to live a 100% moral life and God is so holy so perfect, for him even a white lie is intolerable,but He is a loving God and He has His ways which we should not question.My God sees my heart,my love for Him,i became humble in front of Him only loving Him never questioning Him,He is not abstract,He is real,If He is not real then this little life of mine makes no sense,its complete waste.I need a loving Father who takes care of me guides me,and trust me this love is such that no other human being can comprehend who doesnt have a personal and loving relationship with Him.
and ya so called hindu gods needs pujari(priests)to convey your offerings and feelings,mantras you cant comprehend,rituals you cant follow,hinduism was created by brahimins through the help of devil himself and braminis placed themselves high in the society where they were not supposed to work hard like farmers and eat freely in th name of the god how pathetic. and i was a hindu once i never felt anything in any temple okay.
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if you says like that why dont your god stopped satan from making hinduism?. also i read in bible
day 1 god made universe
day 2 god made stars
day 3 god made earth….i dont know whether science proved these also.
god planted a tree in the garden and told man not to eat the fruit, can u explain this? he could have not planted the tree there. or i think he was not sure about his creation whether it will obey him or not.
and then the god showed real mercy that he cursed the snakes, becoz the satan came in the form of snake? y he cursed the snake he should curse the satan.
like these there are a lot mistakes in the bible and every year new upgradation is realeased. first finish the whole editting on this and we will have a debate.
never the vedas told us to do that do this it just give guidence and they way u can select..
can u please get me some gold as ur god and jesus is always with u. see my friend can u tell for sure what will happen tomorrow. after something happens u will say god has decided this on me. the same we say as the fate of our doings.
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rajeev,
The God of the Bible allows the beings he creates to have free will to make their own decisions and to be rewarded or punished according to their decisions. He doesn’t force his way on people like a tyrant. Science has, in fact, proven that the universe, the stars, and the earth all had a beginning with the 2nd law of thermodynamics and other scientific facts. The facts show that the Bible has the most accurate account and it has only one creation story, whereas Hinduism scripture has several different creation stories that contradict each other.
God created all things for his pleasure as it states in Revelation 4:11–“for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” If he created it, he has the right to set the do’s and don’ts on what its use should be. Why question it anyway? Mankind does the same types of things. We created alcoholic beverages for our pleasure and established laws for the right or wrong way to use them. There are laws that say it’s okay to drink as long as you don’t drink and drive. We created trains to get us from point A to point B and established standards for traveling on them safely, but if someone in charge of the train ignores those standards, people get hurt or die. Does the fact that people abuse alcohol or cause train wrecks mean they never should have been created? When we go to art museums, there is a “look but don’t touch” policy because the art was created to please our eyesight, but we never question why we can’t touch them, unless we’re a thief with evil intentions. All of these scenarios can be applied to your question about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that God chose to create.
Your “cursing the snake” questions are also answered in the Bible. The God of the Bible is the God of purpose. Satan was already cursed when he used the snake and when God cursed the serpent, he also cursed Satan. When God said to the serpent in Genesis 3:15 “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel,” he not only was talking about the ongoing conflicts that man has with real snakes, he was also prophesying in symbolic terms about the Lord Jesus Christ who would be born only of a woman’s seed and who would defeat the spiritual serpent, Satan, when he would come to Earth to die for man’s sins. Satan bruised Christ’s heel when he used Judas Iscariot and the Jewish leaders to bring about Christ’s death, but Christ bruised Satan’s head when he healed people and rose from the dead with all power in his hand.
God also cursed the snake because the snake allowed itself to be used by Satan.
There aren’t any mistakes in the real Bible and there’s only one real Bible–the family of manuscripts known as the Textus Receptus. There’s only one real English version of the Bible–the King James Version (kjv). The only changes made to the kjv are updates to correct typos or to update fonts or to use a modern-day synonym of an old word (for instance, changing “ensample” to “example”). These are changes that do not delete words or add words and that don’t change the meanings of the words. The changes you are talking about are made to other Bible versions like the NIV, TNIV, New King James Version, and others. These versions aren’t the real Bible, but are counterfeits that add words, delete words, and change the meaning of the texts. So your argument isn’t based on the facts. God’s word has already been completed, so you were misinformed and my debate against the lies of Hinduism can continue since I’m planted on the solid rock of God’s completed word which doesn’t need editing.
Although you won’t admit it, the Vedas, Upanishads, and other Hindu scriptures have been changed to say something different. As I’ve stated before, it is the practice of gurus and Brahmans to change the Hindu scriptures because, as I pointed out above in my post, they are worshipped and considered to be gods. So as you said to me, let your gurus and Brahmans finish editing your scriptures and we will have a debate. And how can you take guidance and choose the way to select in Hinduism when your scriptures are likely to change within the next few years?
As to your argument about what will happen tomorrow, we as Christians are not told every detail of the future from our God Jehovah. All of us are not prone to blame God for what happens because we know that most of what happens takes place because of our own decisions or the decisions of other humans. And if you’re talking about natural disasters, sometimes they do occur because God is sending us a message telling us to repent of our wickedness. At other times they occur because we have cut down too many trees or used farm land incorrectly (as with the Dust Bowls of the early 20th century). But they all happen, whether from God or not, to teach us something. But this doesn’t justify your paganism.
God has called on all men everywhere to repent of their sins and the Lord Jesus Christ is the only lord (not Lord Shiva or Lord Krishna or any other lord) that can save you from your sins. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. …He that believeth on him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” [John 3:16, 18]. “Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me,” [John 14:6]. “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved,” [Acts 4:12].
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One more question: If your false god created the soul as per your false doctrine, who created your false god?
Hinduism tells God is an abstraction, a combination of Reality, Bliss and Consciousness. An abstraction exists irrespective of the existence of material world. So it would be dumb to ask who created Reality
This is how Hinduism tackles the question of existence of God…
Now if your false god aka santa is a supernatural being(or some kind of a space alien) who created this world, how did he actually come into existence?
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Hey
Everyone should read the book ‘ JESUS LIVED IN INDIA’!!!!!
thats written by a xtian brother…
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“There met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, htou Son of God are thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them as herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him. Saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go and when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.” (Matthew 8:28, 33.)
What is this your Jesus is doing?
1.destroy some innocent man’s property (herd of swine)
2.punish innocent creatures(swine who were feeding) for no fault of theirs
3.Disturbing creatures which were feeding.
These r things no sane cultured person will ever do leave alone a holy man. These verses r sufficient for Jesus not to be respected by any rational human being who respects other people’s property. Killing innocent craetures for casting away devils????
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“And the Lord God cause a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof: and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.” (Genesis 2:21, 22.)
1.Women made of man’s rib (in this age of science-u christians believe such absurdity?)
2.Why did biblical God have to wait for Adam to fall asleep and then remove the rib? Bad Planning. He should have kept a rib less in Adam while creating Adam and used that. Or better still why could not create a new rib altogether???????? Is he not all powerful???
So the Christian God does not know science or anythin about his own creation(not all-knowing).
He cannot plan his work properly (not omnipotent)
Such an incomptent being which cannot plan its work cannot be God.
The biblical God is no God at all. What kind of a God u worship?
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Hello Friend,
God created woman from man’s rib to make you fools understand that man and woman are same and have to live together. She is taken from the rib to show equality.
Do not underestimate God’s power and don’t abuse his power or purity.
Since he is so loving and merciful, you are still alive. You guys worship all animals, birds and everything you see, but don’t want to believe the truth.
Don’t be so stiffnecked. Soon God may use you to preach for him.
With love
James
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Rational,
The question about the pigs is raised by you only because your religion teaches that animals are reincarnations of people, which isn’t true. Swine are symbolic of being unclean. Furthermore, Jesus was demonstrating that all power in heaven and earth is given to him, since he is God.
All things were created by him for his pleasure. Jehovah is righteous and everything he does is done in righteousness and truth. Who are you, a sinful man, to question God as if you can bring some accusation against him?
Now for your question about Adam and Eve. God often does things symbolically. God put Adam to sleep to symbolize that he has power over man to do his good pleasure. Since Adam was asleep during the process of woman’s creation, Adam could not get any credit whatsoever for God’s idea. All the glory would go to God, not man. It also symbolizes that there are some situations in life where man should step back and let God have his way since he knows what’s best. Finally, Adam’s rib was used to symbolize the oneness (unity) that a man and woman should have in their marriage. Adam and Eve are not only literal, they are symbolic of what a man and his wife should be together as long as the Earth stands.
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this is the main difference between Hindu god and christian god.
christian god does not like questions. he made everything only for his pleasure, what pleasure he gets????like the old emperors and present managers. i think it was an old king who thought himself as god, is Jehovah sounds like Egyptian.
but in hindu system u are free to ask questions, and i you want u can believe. not compulsory that the one and only god is ME(with thunder storms). he just say the way to achieve the ultimate and he knows every thing of what is going to happen.
again to christian god (Jehovah) as he made all for his pleasure and he set some rules for them. if they break the rules he will be angry and punish them. this is human nature not gods.
in Hinduism the god is independent and not bound with any such pleasures. it is the our duty to clear our self and attain the salvation. if u attain salvation its good for u no need to bother and he can guide u. not punish.
but our JEhovah is a comic character. see what he did..?
created Adam and eve. planted a tree in the garden and said not to eat the fruit. this is common human nature, if u say a child not to touch something, we can see he is eager to touch it. even our friend harryagaylord do the same. we HIndus with common sense will keep the object far away from the reach of child. even though if he does it we will may be punish him but wont curse his entire generation.
but our Jehovah didnt hadnt that sense he got anger and cursed the entire generation.(there is another point what if we ate the fruit of good and evil, we get knowledge, and Jehovha doesnt like it that we gets knowledge). and why he didnt killed the adam and create another guy, as he was full of power.
some powerful king wanted to be worshipped as a god and u guys are following him. no problem we dont care. but dont come to critise our beliefs, without knowing what it really says.
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rajeev,
[christian god does not like questions. he made everything only for his pleasure, what pleasure he gets????]
Jehovah, the only true & living God, is not like man. Man is basically evil & selfish. God is holy & righteous. Everything he does is done out of total purity & goodness. That’s why he is not like any emperor or manager or king. You don’t understand how anyone can do something for his pleasure and it not be for evil because your gods are created in the image of men and are fallible with human frailties so you expect Jehovah to be like your gods. Jehovah is superior to your gods. Everything he does is done in righteousness & truth. He created humans, humans did not create him. And God has no problem with questions when the questions are for good. Questions like yours, which try to promote the evil of your idolatry, are the types of questions our great God Jehovah hates. Jehovah says “I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. …Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” [Isaiah 45:19, 22-23]
[but in hindu system u are free to ask questions…not compulsory that the one and only god is ME(with thunder storms)]
This is a lie & you know it is. When people ask questions about Hinduism in Nepal or India, Hindus get very angry about it. If someone joins another religion they are disowned, abused, forced to recant their new religion, and sometimes killed. Here are examples– http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism — http://www.worthynews.com/8263-india-police-detain-hindu-militants-amid-spreading-anti-christian-violence?wpmp_switcher=mobile — http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Hindu-radical-kills-Christian-who-had-testified-in-court-in-a-Kandhamal-pogrom-related-case-22233.html
Conversion to Christianity is by free will only. The person has to make the choice in their heart to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, otherwise it isn’t genuine & they can’t be considered a real Christian. If they believe, they receive God’s free gift of salvation from sins by grace, not by their works. This is what makes Christianity unique. Man does not have the power within himself to save himself. You don’t have the power to clear yourself of sin and attain salvation. “For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified,” [Galatians 2:16]
[…he set some rules for them. if they break the rules he will be angry and punish them. this is human nature not gods.]
By setting rules for man, God set the standard for man-made government so there would be order and not anarchy. If someone murders your spouse are you telling me you don’t want rules that say they must be punished? Then how is it you’re questioning God for making rules. Even Hindus follow man-made rules. That’s why you celebrate your religious festivals and rites, because your rules say so. If setting rules and punishing those who don’t follow those rules is not part of what gods do, then why do Hindu gods punish those who don’t do yoga by not allowing them to be reincarnated to a higher place? The Rig Veda even tells you that your pantheon of gods punishes people–
“The Gods seek him who presses out the Soma; they desire not sleep They punish sloth unweariedly.” [Rig Veda, bk. 8, hymn 2:18]
“May Varuṇa and Mitra grant this blessing, our Guardians, shelter to our seed and offspring. Let us not suffer for another’s trespass. nor do the thing that ye, O Vasus, punish.” [Rig Veda, bk. 7, hymn 52:2]
Why would someone pray to the god Vasus begging not to be punished if Vasus had not set up rules and did not have power to punish?
[ this is common human nature, if u say a child not to touch something, we can see he is eager to touch it.]
But Adam & Eve weren’t children. They were adults with free will and knowledge. They knew better, but chose to disobey God, allowing themselves to be deceived. Adam & Eve had hundreds of other plants in the garden that they could use for food, but they selfishly wanted the one plant God reserved for himself. If a neighbor tells you not to trespass on his property, if you are an unselfish & respectful adult, you’re not going to trespass. So why is it that you would try to question God’s actions when Adam & Eve are to be blamed?
The bottom line from now until the day you die is that you need the Lord Jesus Christ to save you from your sins. Argue all you want, but this one truth will never change.
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Alagu,
For your question about Amazonian tribes I’ll let the Bible answer it for you.
“For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without [God’s] law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another) [i]n the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” Romans 2:11-16
“As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God [because he chooses one over another]? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it [salvation] is not of him [man] that willeth, nor of him [man] that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault [with men]? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” Romans 9:13-21
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[The god of Hinduism is different than the true and living God who speaks in the Bible.]
The “God” in Hinduism is the “Supreme Truth”. The all-pervading. Yes, “God” can appear in human form too.
Are you suggesting that “God” is a one-shot wonder who just came down once and never appeared again? Or that he is limited to geographic boundaries and language boundaries?
Hindus appreciate the presence of “God” in everything that is nature.
You may have researched some Hindu writing, but may be there is need for more.
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[The Trinity is not polytheism since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Our one God manifests himself in three ways. Just because our finite minds can’t understand an infinite God doesn’t give us the right to place God in the box of our understanding.]
You have said it all.
Dont you recognize that people could be pursuing other manifestations of the same “God” that you believe in?
Or are you suggesting that “God” became had the capaibility to make just one “Son”?
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Brother Harry,
Your post yet again prove how unfair your hypothetical God is…
How could He make someone be born into a different religion and then eternally damn him for that.
Before saying anymore on that I choose to wait for you to answer my other question. How did this supernatural being called God come into existence?
My religion says He/She/It is an abstraction who/which is a combination of Truth, Bliss and consciousness… Human soul is similarly an abstraction only lacking consciousness
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Without any reference to the “Bible”, with your own rational thought, if you are even a little bit intelligent, please prove that “God” exists.
I dont want to hear any circular logic, that a human being said he was “God”….”God” spoke this….this got written in the form of a book (Bible)….and so he is “God”.
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Alagu,
Jehovah, the Creator of the universe and the natural things in it, has no beginning and no end. He is not a created being and has always existed. “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Psalm 90:2)
“Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.” (Psalm 93:2)
“The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms” (Deuteronomy 33:27)
“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king” (Jeremiah 10:10)
Once again, you’re blaming God for something evil man is responsible for. God does not make someone be born into a different religion, man does. Specifically, a person’s parents often teach their children their idolatrous practices. Why did Hinduism and other false religions start? Here’s the answer:
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 1:18-25)
The archaeological data I mentioned above is an example of God’s progressive revelation to man over time. Before the archaeological finds mentioned, the Bible named places that were thought to be fairy tales. Then when proof was found that the places and people actually existed, it confirmed that the Bible was accurate the whole time that men doubted what was said. The Bible is not a book of science, but God gives scientific proof in his word so that even if a scientist does some genuine investigating, he will discover that God speaks what is true in the Bible.
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Hindu & Atheist,
I noticed that you have the same email and IP when I went to moderate these comments. Which one are you? A Hindu or an Atheist? You can’t be both. Maybe you’re a fraud? Or you can’t make up your mind which one you want to be? “A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways”, according to the Bible. So you’re obviously confused. When you make up your mind about who and what you are, maybe then I will be able to respond to your comments.
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First,
Yes, I have the same email id. I am the same person.
However, since the question I am asking has a different flavor, I changed my name. One example of how the same entity can have different names in different situations. Extrapolate this idea to “Jesus”, “Krishna” “Allah” etc.
Second,
I am not confused. A Hindu can be an athiest. You should know this by now if you have read and understood Hindu philosophies completely.
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Hindu Atheist,
When I made my comment that you can’t be both, I was speaking from my knowledge of atheism. The word atheism means “without god.” It is the belief that there is no god. So since you ascribe to Hinduism, which is a belief in a god, you are not atheist. So yes, you are quite confused.
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The confused Hindu Atheist also submitted the following comments:
[Let me say this.
Hindus do not “fear” God. We love “God”. We love “God” so much that we do not want to be seperated from him at all. We want to be one with God.
In fact, we (not just Hindus, but everything in the world) are already one with God. If God is all-pervading, there is nothing that is devoid of God. I agree with you that it is very difficult to realize the true all-pervading form of an inapparent “God”. The path is not easy. That it is easier to relate to a human incarnation of “God”. But the truth remains that “God” exists outside that human incarnation and “God” exists everywhere, even within you and me. That is the realization (not just in knowledge, but in day-today life, in practice).
If everything is controlled by Jesus, your ideas and my ideas are also controlled by Jesus. So, are you saying that Jesus put the right ideas in you and wrong ideas in me? Hah, what tomfoolery, what delusion.
The path you take to get to the realization can be a monotheistic view, polytheistic view, athiestic view, panthiestic view.
But the answer will be the same.
For a moment, think with an open-mind, does it really matter what name you call “God” with?
If anyone is insulting God (Jesus), it is you by placing humane/language/geographic boundaries.]
Then he said,
[[“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king” (Jeremiah 10:10)]
That does not say that Jesus is.
[Why did Hinduism and other false religions start? Here’s the answer:
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; ]
Well, see it was really the mistake of “God” then. He first created man and then did not show up for thousands of years as “Jesus”. And when he did, he did not travel around the earth and inform people that he had descended upon earth.
So, why blame it on people of other religions. It was really the mistake of “Jesus”.
And since “Jesus” made such a stupid mistake, it is hard to believe that he is “God”.]]
And his final comment was:
[Mr. Harryagaylord,
I do not want to disrespect your beliefs. I consider that Jesus was as much a God incarnate as Krishna was or Buddha was.
We can go on endlessly pointing out mistakes in the logic of each other and not reach an agreement.
Instead of trying to prove the superiority of one religion over another (which you cannot), please utilize your time wisely in the service of God. Otherwise, you may end up in “Hell”.
With all due respect
Signing off,
The Hindu Athiest.]
He has proven his confusion by his own words. First he argued that Jesus was not God and his next comment was that Jesus is a god like Krishna or Buddha. He opposes himself because he really doesn’t know what the truth is. Inadvertently, he has proven the scripture about a double-minded man being unstable.
He implies that having a post such as this can end up taking me to hell when, in fact, not believing that Jesus is Lord is what causes people to go to hell. Since I believe Jesus is Lord, there’s no chance that I will go to hell.
Why do I know that I am using my time wisely by posting information about false religions like Hinduism? Here’s why:
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)
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Mr. Harryagaylord,
What I wrote initially were analogies to point out loopholes in your theories.
That does not amount to falsifying “Jesus”. It amounts to removing your misdeductions of Jesus’s words.
Later, I gave you reasons why I respect your path.
Collectively, I have explained how all paths will lead to the “Supreme Truth”.
[“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)]
I can claim that you are indulging in darkness based on the above statments if I believe that only “Krishna”, not “Jesus” is God.
For you to pick and chose my statements out of context and misconstrue them is devilish.
As much as Jesus told your religion that “He” is the only “God”, Krishna also said that “He ” is the only “God”.
However, I am not NOT respecting your opinions, simply because of humility.
I will not indulge in ridiculous debate. Look within yourself, and hear to the voice of “God”.
try to understand the concept of “Heaven” and “Hell”.
You safely claim that you will go to “Heaven”.
Do you think its mauritius or hawaii that you have bought a plane ticket to?
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What ever are the theories, Christianity is practical cause i experience it
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I am sorry brother
I would like to put forth my religion’s views on God here and try to show how it is more rational than to believe a supreme being just existed (what a load of bull?)
But your mind is so darkened by ur blind faith in Bible and prejudice against Hinduism, that i don’t think you will ever put up a rational argument without quoting the Bible and using your rational mind or common sense.
Just bcoz Bible says Hinduism is false, the truth does not get destroyed. The truth is the truth, no matter how many liars call it false.
AND UNDERSTAND THAT HINDUISM IS NOT A RELIGION. It is an approach to various religious thinking- Pantheism, Monotheism and Atheism.
Hinduism tells you to explore if Atheism is true too. I am a pantheistic Hindu. the poster Hindu Atheist is an Atheistic Hindu.
Your previous post has shown everyone that your claim of knowing about Hinduism is a BLATANT LIE. SHAME ON YOU…
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Alagu,
Since you want me to get away from talking about the Bible, I’ll highlight what is taught in some of the Hindu sacred texts instead.
“Then they draw out the penis of the horse and place it in the vagina of the chief queen, while she says, ‘May the vigorous virile male, the layer of seed, lay the seed’; this she says for sexual intercourse.” in the unedited version of Satapatha Brahmana 13:5:2:2
“If a man see himself in the water, he should recite the following verse: ‘May there be in me splendour, strength, glory, wealth, virtue.’ She is the best of women whose garments are pure. Therefore let him approach a woman whose garments are pure, and whose fame is pure, and address her. If she do not give in, let him, as he likes, bribe her (with presents). And if she then do not give in, let him, as he likes, beat her with a stick or with his hand, and overcome her, saying: ‘With manly strength and glory I take away thy glory,’–and thus she becomes unglorious”
from Brihadâranyaka Upanishad 6:4:6-7
“Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: ‘I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor'” from Brihadâranyaka Upanishad 6:4:9, 21
So here are three examples of immorality promoted in Hindu sacred writings–bestiality, beating women, and raping women. How is that God-like? If all religions lead to God, why would the Hindu writings contradict the Bible, which has penalties for bestiality, violence against women, and rape?
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I thank you brother harry, for the quotes and references you provided. Satapatha Brahmana 13:5:2:2 is a fascinating translation by a non Indian called Julius Eggeling. He attempted to translate the ancient scripture in the English language which is not very possible as the language of English is painfully limited. Therefore I advise that the version you are refferring to is not reliable. The second refernce you have given is again a version only entertained by one sect called ‘The Divine Life society” and does not reflect the views of all Hindus nor does it yet again provide thorough translation in its attempt to render this in English. Again the reference you have chosen is flawed. If there is any other material that you may have refferred to, then please advise so I may look into that. Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, the limited nature of the English language does not allow proper translation and to a non Hindu may sound very misleading.
The references to sexuality in Hinduism is more about sex education rather than sinful pleasures. The western world has only very recently realised the importance of sex education after learning the hard way that the lack of education about sex leads to immorality at so many levels. The modern day school curriculum are only now introducing proper sex education. This wisdom was available to ancient Hindus and was therefore laid down in the texts. I hope that this throws some light on why there is a mention of sexuality.
Yet again, if there is any other reference material that you need verified, please feel free to reply and I shall follow that up for you.
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Rohit,
First of all, we’re not brothers since we don’t have the same spiritual father. My Father is Yahweh, the only true and living God.
Secondly, why are you lying about the Hindu sacred texts I’ve quoted here? You know very well, if you’re a real Hindu, that the Satapatha Brahmana is a division within the Vedas that is considered part of the central canons of Hinduism and is used to influence Hindu law. Your attempt to try to discredit it from its importance in all of Hinduism is feeble and disingenuous. So stop your lying. The only flaw the Satapatha Brahmana English translation has is that it is false doctrine that teaches things that go against God’s truth such as it’s promotion of bestiality as shown in the quote from it that I gave.
The Upanishads I quoted are just as accurate. The references are clearly NOT about sex education. When the language clearly portrays a man forcing himself on a woman (his wife or anyone else), this is not sex education whatsoever. It’s brutal, ungodly, criminal rape!
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The ‘She’ mentioned in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad is the wife of the aforementioned man. Although forceful sex is approved here, in the past a man had the freedom to these things to his wife, which we may not approve of in the modern age.
In any case the Bible commands the wife to act subdued to her husband.
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And more importantly- Hinduism does not say this will provide the man in question Self-Realisation.
Hinduism is a religion based on attaining knowledge. It is not a religion that illogically says morality will provide you Self-Realisation, because it has always acknowledged MORALITY IS RELATIVE…
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Alagu,
[In any case the Bible commands the wife to act subdued to her husband.]
The Bible also says a man should love his wife with the same respect and love he shows for himself, even to the point of sacrificing himself for his wife’s benefit. Both partners in marriage submit to each other (Ephesians 5:21-33), so marriage is a two-way street. Violence against women is never condoned in the Bible.
Hinduism may be about attaining knowledge, but in the process the Upanishads and other writings promote customs and traditions that Hindus should fulfill while attaining their worthless knowledge.
Christianity is not about self-realisation, it’s about realising who the true God is and presenting one’s life as a sacrifice to him. It is man-made religion that is centered on self. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves…” (2 Timothy 3:1-2). So clearly the Bible speaks against being self-centered.
Since morality is relative in your mind, and Hinduism embraces all beliefs, why are you arguing against my beliefs? If morality and truth are relative that means I can say and do whatever I want and you should accept it, according to your false doctrine. So maybe it’s time for you to back off. Right?
Apparently, since you’re arguing with me then you must not believe your own Hindu teachings. Or maybe you’re as confused as the Hindu Atheist.
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In Matthew(10:34 – 36, this is what Jesus says:
“….Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”
These sattanic utterances(setting at variance one against another) are not becoming of a holy man like Jesus. Explain how Jesus who utters these words can be called “Living God”.
I had tremendous respect for Jesus until recently. But u know what buddy? In various fora, I came accross such vile and abusive language(much more abusive tahn yours) used by Christians against hindus and muslims that I decided to read the bible. And after coming accross the above verses and swine incident, I have lost all respect I had for Jesus. U believe in such a Satanic God. No wonder, you guys do Crusades, Holocast, Jalainawalla Bagh Massacre(murder of innocent unarmed civilians),bombing innocent civilials, apparatheid, racism(no woman or black or bown-skinned person has become Pope), demonisation of Hindus, Demonisation of Jews, demonisation of muslims….
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“Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 30-38.
30. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.”
See Holy bible containing incest. Ok even whether incest is moral or not is open to debate.But what deceiving a man with wine?????Your holybook contains “incest”.
See buddy, I will now tell u the problem. The holiest book of Hindus is the Bhagvad Gita. It does not contain such things as 1.incest;2.childish concepts about God as in Genesis;3. Harming innocent creatures quitely grazing away for no rhyme and reason.4. Wisdom and knowledge bringing grief;5. camel passing through the eye of needle; 6.setting one at variance with another;
(Of course, I confront orthodox hindus for their s*#!?y things including believing in birth-based caste and useless vedic rituals when Gita is against these concepts).
But u see buddy, even a rational person like me does not like all the above things just to mention a few. Hindus dont want such a s#!*?y book with incest and all to be forced on them. Your evangelists cross all the limits. They use unfair tactics and deceive the poor into converting. That is why they r resented. Of course, I deplore violence against them. I prefer the debate route and intellectual offensive against ideas. Your ideas of “virgin birth”, “resurrection from dead” if embraced will take humanity several giant steps backward. Hindus want forward movement.
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Harry,
[There are many other great archaeological discoveries that verify what is in the Bible. And, I might add, no one has ever found Jesus’ body. Why? He rose from the dead like the Bible says. But one must have faith to please God, which you obviously don’t have.]
I agree with Salih and not with you. Please read the book “JESUS LIVED IN INDIA”. It’s a great archealogical breakthrough.
[Hinduism may be about attaining knowledge, but in the process the Upanishads and other writings promote customs and traditions that Hindus should fulfill while attaining their worthless knowledge.]
To attain salvation humans need not follow all of the customs. There were/are Sadhus still living in India who have no idea of a Lady or Woman.
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Harry,
I’ve been involved in creating my own blog on my religion Advaita Vedanta for the past two weeks. I really can provide with all counter-argument i need to right now on this blog.but it seems like i’m clustering whatever i wanted to say on my blog, here. So once i complete mine, i will post the links here(if you wish to hear my counter arguments).
Sorry for the inconvenience.
But i can provide you the answer for your last question
[If morality and truth are relative that means I can say and do whatever I want and you should accept it, according to your false doctrine. So maybe it’s time for you to back off. Right?]
Wrong. Hinduism never asks you to give up what you think is right as long as it is tolerant and you are not pre-judiced against other religions. Hinduism does not even have a ritual for conversion. bcoz Hindus believe you can practice whatever religion you want and still attain salvation(we call it Self-Realisation) when you practice the yogas(not the ohysical postures that come to ur mind)
What you practice is Bhakti yoga(devotion to God while believing Christ is God)? So i have no problem if you remain a Christian.
Only that you are not aware there are 3 other yogas too which lead to salvation and i’m practising one of those.
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what happened to the link i provided regarding “Rape in Bible” dude?
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Rational,
The way you spouted off in your 19 comments you barraged me with weren’t very rational. You can get your point across more rationally, I’m sure. During the week I’m often busy and it takes me awhile to get to moderate comments, so I only included 2 of your 19 here. I have a whole post explaining how Jesus did not come to send peace but a sword. It’s titled “God causes domestic disturbances” so I won’t go into detail. You can read it at your leisure. FYI, as I have said before, Christians are not responsible for the Crusades and other atrocities you mentioned (Nazism, Holocaust, fascism, etc.). These were conjured up by the Vatican. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. People like the Popes only claim to be Christian to make genuine Christianity look bad. The goal of the Vatican has always been world domination at any cost by destroying anyone who stands in their way. I explain this in several of my posts if you click my tag on “Catholicism.” The Popes are antichrists and I have no regard for them.
There are many sins recorded in the Bible that man commits due to his sinful nature. The story of Lot and his daughters is an account of a family that lived in vile Sodom and illustrates the evil influence such a place had on them after it was destroyed. These sins are not condoned, just recorded for us to learn what not to do. In Leviticus 18:6, God commands “[n]one of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD,” then he explains in detail the types of sexual relationships that are forbidden up to verse 18 of that chapter. You can curse the Bible all you want. One day you will be judged by God’s standards recorded in it. Your rejection of it and anyone’s rejection of it will not change God’s truth one iota.
Ramkumar,
It is not necessary for me to read “Jesus lived in India.” Jesus Christ said “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs…” The only true Jesus lived in Israel, mainly in Galilee. I don’t have to search out another Jesus based on false science made to look like genuine science.
As far as the customs and traditions of the Upanishads, I should’ve phrased it with they discuss actions that are “allowed for Hindus”, not “Hindus should fulfill.”
Alagu,
I don’t practice yoga, period. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ. That has nothing at all to do with the sinful practice of yoga. I am commanded by God’s word to reject any other gospel than what is in the Bible, according to Galatians 1:8. If you want to accuse me of being prejudiced or intolerant for obeying God and rejecting the false doctrines of Hinduism, so be it. I live my life to please God, not sinful man.
As far as your link about rape in the Bible, I deleted it. My blog is for glorifying God and his word, not raising doubts about it. You can use your own blog for that. The Bible records incidents of rape for the same reason I mentioned to Rational about the incest above. Here’s what God says about rape–“But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her,” Deuteronomy 22:25-27. So raping someone is like murdering someone and it deserves the death penalty.
I think at this point it’s fruitless to continue arguing back and forth. All of the Hindus and non-Christians who have left comments aren’t going to change their views no matter how many questions I answer and I am definitely not going to change my Christian views no matter what you guys say, so I think this should be the end of our arguments/discussions.
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Kali means black time, and she is responsible for bestowing the boon of life as well as death. I think the mythological idea that underlines this symbolism is that all who are born will die, such is the nature of our time-bound existence. Biblically, the LORD also gives life and takes it away, but it would be unfair to misrepresent, the Christian God as a merciless ogre who devours his children, without taking into account that God is also the giver of all life.
You equate Shiva with Satan, because Satan is known as a destroyer. They are both destroyers (as is the LORD God), but in different contexts.
Shiva in his own right is both the Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer of the cosmos, or creation. He destroys the universe to create everything anew, much in the same way that the Bible says that creation will be destroyed by fire, and a new heavens and new earth will be created. The big difference is that the Hindu cosmos is a series of endless cosmic eons, repeating the process of cosmic death and recreation.
It it helps you can read my article about Hinduism and the senses, which might give you some idea about the different ways Hindus approach the divine.
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Mahud,
Shiva is called Destroyer because he takes sadistic pleasure in taking lives and his followers often try all kinds of things to no avail to appease his anger against them. The God of the Bible is a forgiving and patient God, unlike Shiva. The true and living God, Jehovah, says “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? … For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.” (Ezekiel 18:23, 32)
Shiva’s followers worship his penis. Genuine Christians don’t worship anyone’s genitals and Jehovah, the God of the Bible, is never mentioned as having any since he is a spirit and doesn’t need sex organs to create anything.
Followers of Shiva have seen him in their visions with serpents wrapped around him to do his evil bidding. In the Bible, the majority of the time serpents are mentioned they are symbolic of evil people and Satan.
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Just so people know the shiva linga does not represent genetals (common misconseption) and shiva does not kill for enjoyment, he is the god of death, so to speak. Bharma the creator, Vishnu the preservor, and Shiva the destroyer. They are the trienty of life. Kali is a demon, not a god. I suppose he would be the equivelent of satan.
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there are two types of kali’s i forgot to mention. One is the satanic demon, and the other is the godess who is blood thirsty.
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“the Indian”
[…shiva linga does not represent genetals (sic) (common misconseption (sic))]
That’s strange because I got the information that Shiva’s genitalia are worshipped from someone who worshipped Shiva. I also got a comment from an angry Hindu that I chose not to post who spouted off about the virtues of why it was a good thing to worship penis and that Christians are too repressed when it comes to sex. Thanks for confirming Hindus worship evil.
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It seems you judgments on people that you don’t know very much about. God is love and copassion, the hindu religion teaches this, as well as christianity. We should just learn how to coexist and not have bigotry toward one another. It seems you have a bias opinion. Stop trying to subject your opinions on others.
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Jake,
Yes, I do know about Hindus and Hinduism. Hinduism teaches love and compassion to a certain point but that is only one small microcosm of what they teach. Jehovah (Jesus Christ) teaches love and compassion as well but he also speaks out against sin and punishes sin.
I have no problem whatsoever coexisting with people of other religions and lifestyles, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t point out their wrong teachings when necessary. I have the freedom to speak the word of God just like they have the freedom to speak their false teachings. Speaking the truth against sin is not bigotry.
I’m also not forcing my opinions on others. No one is being forced to come to this blog and read what I have to say. Nor am I going out and torturing people to force them to agree with me or die.
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I believe that it there is some degree of logical underhandedness in describing the release from the cycles of rebirth as “salvation” and then objecting to someone else’s use of the term “salvation” in describing what you have already called by that word, and pointing out that that is not “salvation” as you perceive it. Also, I believe that you are not interested in modifying your viewpoints or wholeheartedly embracing any of the points made by any of the individuals who have attempted to point out differences of opinion. And, it is neither here nor there that some Hindus have misunderstandings regarding the role of Santa Claus in western culture; it seems odd to blame Hindus for a lack of knowledge when you display your willingness to take shelter in deeply entrenched beliefs that you have no desire to change. However, in closing, the readiness of Hindus to acknowledge Santa Claus as a religious figure is very instructive with regards to Hindu beliefs. In the basic math of karma-yoga, Santa Claus rewards good actions and, although not with the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament God, punishes bad actions with things like a lump of coal. The view of Hindus is that, even in the microcosm of Santa Claus, much cab be learned and enlightenment can be achieved, freeing one from the infinite cycle of rebirth.
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This is so profuse with errors I don’t know where to begin. “Some” Hindus believe Santa Claus is the Christian God? Sure, “Some” people also believe that Saddam carried out 9/11. Apparently, “Some” people believe that Hinduism entails signing up for yoga classes to attain everlasting life.
And, I’m sure the fact that Shiva’s moniker is the Destroyer, also means he is the Destroyer referred to in the Bible (Satan). God, it seems, loves to drop subtle hints like that.
I feel bad for the poster of the first comment, who is going to use your “information” (better read, “misinformed opinions”) since they had Hindu friends. If he tried to pass most any of this off as truth, he would look like an ass. So, if you wish to share such information with people, and preface it by suggesting you actually know what you’re talking about, do your readers a favor and post information of substance, so, again, they don’t come out looking like fools.
I suggest you read original or review material on Hinduism (i.e. books not random web pages; as this page suggests truth and the Internet mix like oil and water). Maybe you think Hinduism is such a “devilish” system that _researching_ actual _facts_ will send you to Hell as an accomplice. I promise that won’t be the case. Send an email and I’d be glad to recommend some reading material.
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The funny thing is that Hindus don’t see a need to compare their religion with others, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism et al. Hindus believe that religions are like rivers. There are many, but they all flow into the ocean. Likewise, there are many religions, but they all lead to God. Men may call him Jehovah, Allah or Krishna, but it is the same God, the eternal truth; one that is never born and shall never die.
Mr. Gaylord, you claim to be a devout Christian but are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ himself, who said, “Don’t judge and you won’t be judged; don’t condemn and you won’t be condemned, forgive and you shall be forgiven, give and you shall receive” – Luke 6:37-38.
You either know not the teachings of Hinduism OR you are a narrow-minded exclusionist who fails to appreciate the diversity of mankind.
I hope God (by whatever name you address him), gives you enlightenment, frees you from hatred & bigotry and gives you peace of mind.
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Venkat,
Your arguments are nothing new and they lack originality. If Hinduism has no problem with any religions, then why do Hindus and Muslims in India attack each other for domination? Why do Hindus persecute Christians in India? Hindu families even disown family members who become Christians.
You have also made the same mistake others make who say “don’t judge.” By calling me narrow-minded, you are making a judgment. You’re misquoting Jesus Christ and I have a whole post on what he meant if you want to be enlightened. Allah and Krishna are not the same God as Jehovah who also revealed himself in the human form as Jesus Christ.
Clearly by what I’ve placed in this post, I know enough about Hinduism to know it’s a lie and is organized to deceive people. Speaking out against the sin of idolatry or speaking out against any sin is not “hatred & bigotry.” It’s all about hoping that people like you who are deceived will see the light and turn from the lies you’ve been taught to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the only one who can free men from their sins.
It’s your choice not to accept the truth, but the truth is not going to cease from being true just because you won’t accept it. Jesus is the only true Lord.
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Hey harry,
You have serious false beliefs against the religion hinduism. As one of my friends mentioned in a reply it is very much true that hindus in general dont have any problem in going to a church or mosque and pray to the god almighty. Be it Lord krishna, Jesus or Allah.
Coming to your querieis then why
a)Hindus disown their family members if they marry a christian?
It is only a few group of people who are hardcore religious behaves in that fashion.
b)Christian converts getting murdered..?
Again it is been done by hardcore religious fanatics.
So my point a true hindu doesnt do all these things he believe in god the almighty and never degrade a persons belief or faith or his religion.
So i consider you as one among those new christian fanatics who is slowly injecting this false theories against the hindus who are somewhat similar to those hindu and muslim fanatics who kills people, does terrorism around the world all in the name of god.
If you are a true christian dont degrade other religions by telling false and fantasy stories made by cheap useless christian websites.
Regards
Human being
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“human being,”
True Christians speak the truth in love, as I have stated before, in spite of who is offended. The Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only true Lord, set the example when he walked this earth by confronting the religious leaders of his day about their religious misconceptions and false doctrines. But they refused to accept the truth by arguing with him, making false accusations against him (like you’ve done in your comment against me), and they ultimately killed him. I have done nothing more than what Jesus did by highlighting the lies that Hinduism teaches and comparing those lies with the truths in the Bible that give people true freedom from the bondage of their sins, if they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I make no apologies for what I have said here because it’s all true. Hinduism oppresses people and this was proven to be true as recently as in the last week or two when there was flooding in India. The people in the upper parts of the caste system established by Hinduism were rescued while the “untouchables” at the bottom of the caste system were left to fend for themselves or were the very last to be rescued, as reported by the Associated Press on Sept. 1, 2008. You can Google it if you want to read the full story.
Hindus claim they believe in one god who comes in different forms and then they state that there are several “deities” that they can pray to who are separate from the one god they worship. But this is just a contradiction since a “deity” is a god and since they have many deities, that automatically means they have many gods.
Your arguments won’t change the truth that there is only one God–Jehovah the God of the Bible– not Allah or Krishna. I respect anyone’s right to choose which god they want to serve without trying to force them to bow down to the Lord Jesus Christ, but this in no way means I shouldn’t speak out against their false teachings when the opportunity presents itself. If you don’t like what I have to say, then the solution is quite simple–ignore my blog and go to one that agrees with your false beliefs.
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Hey harry,
Your argument that during the recent floods there were caste descrimination might be correct or wrong. Ok if it is correct it does not have anything to do with the centuries old religion HINDUISM because castes are created by men. You will see similar divisions in christianity also like roman catholics, marthomites, yakobites, brotheren, pentecost..the list goes on. Intercaste marriage is a strict no no in these christian divisions too.
They fight for their church and in the name of god and did anyone said any word and no international news agencies like AP or CNN reported it. Which i wont blame them because they just want to ruin the country india or hindustan and the religion hindu and not christianity Which they and us know will never happen.
regards
Human being
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Continuation..
In one part of your blog you mentioned about the different dieties and one god concept. This is simple according to the hinduism there is a world of gods where in there is a king of gods called Indra and the 3 superpowers namely brahma, vishnu and maheswara(siva). They are the ultimate gods and the dieties you see are either their sons, daughters or wifes or the citizens from the world of indra’s kingdom of Gods.
Ok now why we say there is this one god concept. It is just a belief in a devotee’s mind to pray towards that ultimate god which is nothing but the 3 superpowers coming together.
regards
Human being
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human,
Christianity doesn’t have a caste system. Yes, there are divisions because of disagreements of scriptures, but that is far from being a caste system being set up to keep people down. And just for the record, Roman Catholicism is not Christian. Christianity is not out to ruin India. They’ve ruined themselves in the past through their Hindu practices.
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Hello, Harry. 🙂
I won’t reiterate what others have already said, but let me begin by telling you that I identify most strongly with Christianity, so I am not Hindu, and I may even be biased in favor of Christianity because it is what I was born and raised with.
Anyhow, I don’t want to tell you what to do, but I did want to point out a few things.
Firstly, you have been using the argument “why are Christians being persecuted by Hindus?”, but have also pointed out the logical answer to similar accusations made against Christians as “not all people who identify themselves as Christian are indeed true Christians”.
My second point is mostly an opinion of my own, and a half-baked one at that, so there may be some issues with it still. But I believe that true faith can only be real if there is doubt. I know that sounds counter-intuitive if you only listen to the words, but in order for there to be faith (which is an act of believing, despite a lack of evidence), there must also be uncertainty (or in other words, a potential to doubt).
So while it is entirely admirable that you have absolute confidence in God (which I definitely envy :D), I do not think that it was/is His intention to keep His people ignorant, but rather, perhaps, to have them truly understand other religions, and yet STILL choose Him above all the others.
But I cannot profess to truly understand God or anything as large as a religion in all its entirety because I am only human (and not even a very bright human at that xD haha), so I could easily be wrong.
In any case, I might be kind of taking the bible way too liberally, but I think that perhaps, when it comes down to it, God may realize and understand that all religions and all true followers of each religion are following Him in essence, despite the fact that there may be different rituals and names for each.
(I think that’s what they were trying to say about Hinduism and all religions being like rivers.) So it isn’t the minute details that matter, or the outside layers of a religion; it’s the root – the fundamental values – that are important.
I do not want you to sway from Christianity. In fact, I do support you in your cause and I sincerely hope that you can continue living a life with God in it. 🙂
But blind faith is easier than faith with doubt, and remaining ignorant will not help you grow, nor will it help you reach others with God’s word.
Anyways…that’s all I really wanted to say.
Thank you all for helping me think and learn. 🙂 I hope you all have gotten something out of this, too. -^__^-
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krnsushi,
Thank you for your comment. I wouldn’t presume to say I know everything there is to know about God since he is almighty and the only limits he has is that he doesn’t sin and he doesn’t force people to bow down to his wishes. But he does tell us in his word time and time again that what he says can be trusted, since he doesn’t lie.
The Bible also points out that all of its writers wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. In other words, God told them what to write and they wrote it. This can be verified when one reads from Genesis to Revelation and all of the books agree with each other and don’t contradict. In other religions, the “sacred” writings often contradict each other.
Since the Bible does not disagree with itself and all of its writers were under God’s power and we can trust what God says in the Bible because it has proven its truth throughout the ages, then true Christians will believe God’s word when it proclaims that Jesus is God and is the only way to get to God. This is the essence of spiritual truth and all other religions, like Hinduism, do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God and teach that other paths lead to God. Therefore, God does not accept whatsoever your opinion that all religions are following him in essence. With God, the minute details of a person’s doctrine matter since he tells us through his Son, Jesus, that “every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” [Matthew 12:36-37]
Acts 4:12 says there is no salvation through anyone else but Jesus of Nazareth because there is no other name under heaven given to men that saves us. Any other doctrine that argues against this fact is a lie.
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I have a question for harryagaylord,
How do the Hindu scriptures compare with the Bible. The Bible has a beginning, middle, and end. It is written by many different men with different backgrounds and educational levels at different times and yet tells a cohesive, comprehensive story. Everything I’ve read about the vedas, the upanishads, and the bagavadgita gives me the impression that the Hindu writings are are a disjointed conglomeration of songs and ritualistic incantations. Do you know anything about this?
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Eudene,
You’re right. The Bible is not contradictory while many of the Hindu scriptures are and I highlighted one of the contradictions at the end of my post above. I would add that there are so many Hindu scriptures that it is impossible to know them all or to get a clear idea of any central theme. The Bible, on the other hand, is concise and a dedicated follower of Christ can easily read all of it in a year while getting from it clear basic themes.
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Harry,
I am a born-again Christian too. I am also interested in apologetics. I had been thinking about putting up a website like yours with information comparing Christianity with all of the alternatives: Buddhism, Hinduism, New-Age, Atheism, Rosicrusian, etc. I read through all the above comments. I obviously understand where you’re coming from but wonder if a less confrontational approach might have a better impact.
I’ve been trying to witness to my mother who was raised a Seventh-day Adventist and has gone over to new age movement. Sometimes, I get frustrated and say things I shouldn’t say which just makes things worse. I’m naturally pretty confrontational myself but I’ve found that it rarely works. The other person just gets offended and then doesn’t listen. Have you ever heard of Stand to Reason at http://www.str.org. They have a lot of training material on being an ambassador for Christ and doing apologetics in the most effective manner. The founder, Greg Koukle had a debate with Deepak Chopra, a while back, and did quite well. You can see the debate on Lee Strobel’s website at Leestrobel.com under quest speakers.
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Eudene,
Thanks for your comment. The truth is that no matter how you speak truth in comparison to lies such as the teachings of Hinduism, people will strongly object to it. I don’t know if you’ve seen the international news lately, but Hindus have been attacking, raping, and killing Christians and Catholics simply because they shared their ideas with Hindus. Their ideas were shared in non-confrontational ways and were then met with extreme violence.
The very preaching of the gospel, no matter how non-confrontational you try to make it, will often stir up anger because human nature is often self-defending. As Proverbs says, “The ways of a man are right in his own eyes.”
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Harry,
Yes, I have heard about the persecution of Christians in India. I suspect that these people may be non-religous people that feel their culture is being threatened by Christian evangelistic inroads among Hindus. I have a book written by a Hindu Swami that is very vicious against Christianity and inconsistent with the Hindu assertion that all faiths are equally valid paths to God.
I know that some people will have a strongly negative reaction no matter what. But one technique I’ve seen that seems to diffuse tension pretty well is to ask questions which get the other person to admit their sinful state rather than directly tellling them that they are in sin and darkness.
Also, I think it would be more credible to people of other faiths if the Christian is fairly familiar with their own scriptures. I am trying to learn more about the scriptures of other faiths but it’s hard because they are so volunious and difficult to understand.
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Eudene,
News reports by the Associated Press say that the attacks were started by “Hindu hardliners” going through villages chanting the name of the Hindu god, Ram, as they attacked. The Christians who they captured and let live were forced to publicly renounce Christianity, tell their captors they were now Hindu, and then burn their Bibles.
I wish you well in whatever manner you choose to share the gospel. Whether we share it in ways that are “confrontational” or “non-confrontational”, let Christ be preached. As Paul said, “Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.” [1 Corinthians 12:4-6]
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please elaborate on ezekiel 33:11 when 1 samuel 2:25 says he “delighted” to put them to death -kjv also pr16:4 says he makes for himself the wicked to be destroyed. and also in psalms mocks at the wicked for he knows their day is comeing.. does this conflict with ezekiels statement? i need truth..
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Mitch,
Ezekiel 33 tells us that God does not take pleasure when wicked people are punished with death. This is backed up by 1 Peter 3:9 that says God is not willing that any person should perish, but that everyone would repent. However, God has established laws that will never be rescinded and one of his laws is that sin must be punished with death. But for man to escape spiritual death he made a way of escape by having Jesus pay for our sins so we don’t have to, if we are willing to turn away from our sins and confess and believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. If we obey God and conform to his ways, we live. If we reject God and his ways, we die. This is how true justice works when it’s based on love.
1 Samuel 2:25 says that the Lord “would slay them” when it talks about Eli’s sinful sons who refused to repent. Other Bible versions besides the Authorized Version (King James) say “delighted”, but this is translated incorrectly. Eli’s sons made the choice to harden their hearts against God, even though they were rebuked for their sinful behavior. They chose their own fate by rejecting God, so God determined that he “would slay them” for their behavior and as Romans 1 says, God gives such people over to a reprobate mind since he allows man to have a free will to choose his own destiny.
Proverbs 16:4 says that God has created all things for himself, even the wicked for the day of evil. The “day of evil” phrase refers to when evil occurrences happen in the world. This proverb means that God allows wicked things to occur in life and allows wicked people to carry out their wickedness for a time that he determines. If you read the book of Job, Satan had to get God’s permission to attack Job and his possessions. He also sent an evil spirit to King Saul, when Saul rejected him. At other times, he allowed the enemies of Israel to overpower them when they habitually disobeyed him.
God allows all situations to occur, whether good or bad, but in the end he always gets his glory from both good and bad situations. That’s what this proverb means, so it’s not in any way a contradiction to the Ezekiel scripture you mention.
Psalm 2 says God laughs at people who imagine evil against him. He has a right to laugh when he time and time again gives people warnings against evil behavior and shows them how blessed they can be when they obey him. He is, after all, all-powerful, completely righteous, and 100% truthful, so when man tries to devise things thinking they can outsmart him or overpower him in some way, it can cause him some amusement. This is similar to the amusement a parent gets when their kids may try to outsmart them or when kids say their parents don’t know what they’re talking about when their parents try to give them wise advice based on their own life experiences. Then they witness the results of their kids’ stupid mistakes when they go against their parents’ advice.
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i would recommend that you get over your extreme fanaticism. I have met people of every religion over my travels and it seems that you are one of a small group of fanatics that insists that their religion is better than others. Many of your original points about hinduism are lies, that my fellow hindus have pointed out over the comments. Nearly all of us have shown kindness toward you and have pointed out that hinduism and christianity both teach love and compassion, yet you continue to condemn us and refuse to look at any of the evidence we try to provide you with. you should be ashamed of the way you carelessly toss out what you think are “facts” about hinduism and how you are truly offending many of your viewers.
could you actually prove any of your points without quoting the bible? we have tons of resources and scriptures supporting us. you blindly follow one book whose authenticity is still being questioned.
some of your ideas such as the sun revolving around the earth have long since been shunned. In the new age of science, new ideas are quickly disproving everything that Christianity teaches.
your religion enslaved people, had the crusades, had the holocaust, had witchcraft trials, emphasized man’s superiority over women, forcefully converted others to your religion, supposedly had a massive flood, all while indians were living peacefully, and you have the nerve to call US barbaric?
perhaps you can marshal counterarguments, but my main point is that you should, with the main support of god being faith, acknowledge that each person is entitled to their own beliefs, and neither is better than the other, since they are BELIEFS and have only a small basis in fact. Dont be such an extremist.
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“hinduism,”
[…get over your extreme fanaticism]
My belief in the true & living God, Jehovah, and in his infallible word are not extreme fanaticism. It’s interesting how you use such a phrase in an attempt to demonize the truth. Extreme fanaticism is when one forces their beliefs on others by questionable brainwashing tactics or by violence (like Islamists do) or when one participates in repetitive rituals or ways of thinking that cannot be verified as true when it is questioned.
What I state here can be verified and I’m not forcing my views on anyone. People read this blog voluntarily, not through compulsion.
[you are one of a small group of fanatics that insists that their religion is better than others]
I’m not a fanatic. I have strong beliefs founded on verifiable truths as found in the Bible. True Christianity is definitely better than other religions because the God we serve is far superior to other Gods. We serve a God who lets us know that we cannot save ourselves because we are powerless to get rid of our own sins. We must completely rely on him through faith in the unmerited favor (grace) he gives to us to wipe our slate clean. All other religions claim that one must bring about their own righteousness by their own works.
So, yes, those of us who truly believe in Christ are in the minority compared to the whole population of mankind because broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who choose to walk down that path.
[…you continue to condemn us and refuse to look at any of the evidence we try to provide you with]
I haven’t condemned anyone here. You were already condemned before I ever wrote this post because you have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is your condemnation–light has come into the world through Jesus Christ, but most people love the darkness of sin and false religions because their deeds are evil. As a Christian, I am called to proclaim the truth in God’s word, not to condemn people. All I have done is relay the truth.
The so-called evidence that people have left here has not stood the test of being reliable. I have quoted chapter and verse from the Bible and compared it to what is in Hindu scripture in my post and my comments to show the harmful, untrue ideas Hinduism promotes.
[you are truly offending many of your viewers]
As I said before, no one is being forced to read my blog. If you don’t like what I say here, simply move on to a blog that suits your fancy. I, in the meantime, must obey God rather than men. God has the power to determine where I spend eternity. No one else holds such power, so I’d rather be cool with him than with anyone who doesn’t agree with what he proclaims in the Bible.
[we have tons of resources and scriptures supporting us. you blindly follow one book whose authenticity is still being questioned]
Yes, you have scriptures that promote incest, bestiality, false teachings on how the Earth is held up, and more. With all of your “resources”, it’s rather difficult to get a handle on what is right or wrong since they tend to contradict each other and they’re so voluminous that it’s difficult to get through all of them. The basics of the Bible are simple to those who desire truth. It’s authenticity has been attacked, but it has held the test of time and is still going strong in spite of the attacks against it. God’s word will never pass away.
I’d much rather have one, easy-to-read, concise book telling me the truth than hundreds that are contradicting, confusing, and spread lies like the Hindu scriptures do.
[your religion enslaved people, had the crusades, had the holocaust, had witchcraft trials, emphasized man’s superiority over women, forcefully converted others to your religion, supposedly had a massive flood, all while indians were living peacefully, and you have the nerve to call US barbaric?]
Right away from this statement I can tell you haven’t even read all of the Hindu scriptures or its history. I pointed out two of the Upanishads above that promote raping women as if the men are superior to the women. Last year there were plenty of news reports telling us that many Hindus in India were trying to force Christians to convert to Hinduism. Where was their love and compassion?
The incidents that you point out were not Christianity. They were Roman Catholic, i.e. the Vatican, or Protestants who were pretending to be Christian.
[acknowledge that each person is entitled to their own beliefs]
I never said or implied that each person cannot believe as they wish. This doesn’t mean I have to compromise the truth to suit you. If you choose not to believe in Jesus Christ, that’s between you and God. But I’m not going to shut up just because you’re offended. The same freedom of speech that allows you to voice your untrue opinions is the same freedom of speech that allows me to proclaim God’s truth.
Sharing truths from the Bible is not being extremist, it’s being obedient to God. I wouldn’t expect you to understand since you are quite content with allowing Satan to blind your mind.
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I think the fault lies in Christianity and its obsessive need to proselytize. I know they would dare not enter any Islamic state because they would be summarily killed. However, it is always ironic that these same Christians do not have the nerve to look at themselves I wonder what it is that they do that creates this problem. The problem are not the Hindus the problem is Christianity and it imperialistic and supremacist ideology. It is just another ideology bent on expansionist agenda. Nothing else, because it has ran out of or unable to keep its own flock in line, has to find new recruits, it is based on greed. Until they look at themselves and take the thorn out from themselves they are just like any who want to expand at the expense of others and not only that they infringe upon others without due respect for their life. live and let live is not a notion that they understand. It is only Islam and Christianity that have that obsession of greed and expansion. It is a paranoia.
You have free speech but your intent is not free speech your intent is conversion and at what ever cost. That you need to fix your need to proselytize and at times very disingenuous means and coercive, pretty shameful. Proselytize your own or is that not good enough. Share your truth with your own, but there are none to listen.
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Tony,
Our need to proselytize is not a fault, but a command from the Lord Jesus Christ, who rules over the universe. He said, “Go ye therefore and teach all nations [the gospel], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” [Matthew 28:19-20]
He also said his followers would be “witnesses unto [him] both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” [Acts 1:8]
As far as us Christians going into Islamic states, that’s already happening. Many of our missionaries have already hazarded their lives by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in places like Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, and Islamic regions of India. Underground churches are thriving in all of them.
True Christianity is not about imperialism. You have us confused with the political agendas of the Vatican and several Protestant denominations. The Christian missionaries who are genuine have been called by the Lord to share the good news that unbelievers can be delivered from their sins and from being eternally punished for their sins when they accept the fact that Jesus is Lord and that he died to pay for their sins and rose from the dead so they can stand justified as being holy when they face God after they physically die.
True missionaries for Christ are concerned about the spiritual well-being of the unbelievers they preach to. They don’t want to see unbelievers die in their sins and then punished in hell for eternity.
We by no means claim to be perfect, but we at least know we fall short of God’s requirements and are willing to make sacrifices so we can get as close as we can to how God wants us to live our lives. True Christians respect life and do not seek to harm people by forcing them to believe or threatening their lives. Yet when my spiritual siblings try to share the gospel through their preaching in various countries, it is the Hindus, Islamists, and other unbelievers who threaten their lives and try to force them to give up their Christianity. By preaching, they are sharing the gospel in a non-threatening way. But some unbelievers, instead of just ignoring them and going about their business, see fit to try to do physical harm to them when all the Christian is doing is sharing ideas.
We use our free speech to try to convince people about the truth of God’s word, just like you are using your freedom of speech to try to convince people that Christians are wrong and evil. You intend to convert people to your way of thinking through your speech showing how much you hate Christians. I intend to expose the lies that false religions teach and show people the truth with my speech which is influenced by my love for them and for God, hoping that someone will see the error of their ways and surrender to God’s truth as found in the Bible.
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Those who have their heads in their a*!#?s will never see the light. This is true of the owner of this site.
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raj,
Jesus Christ is the only light, I must confess. And those who don’t believe are blinded by sinful darkness.
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Mr. Harry A Gaylord,
First off, I’d first like to state I’m a senior in high school, and I’ve been in Catholic schooling my entire life. I stumbled across this website in the hopes to help me with a paper.
I’m not here to say one religion is the valid truth and one isn’t, being as I don’t have enough information about Hinduism to really make a proper argument either way. But, to be honest, your display here offends me. Granted, this is a Christian website, and you have a right to your own opinion. That being said, I feel it unfair for you to state that anyone who is not Christian is, to put it bluntly, “screwed”. The key element of Christianity that I’ve always remembered is that each of us were created with our own free will. One should not be judged by their own beliefs, which is exactly what your doing. Calling hindus “evil” or “fanatic”. If your going to call another “heretic” religion out, at least do it respectably.
Why occupy your time on the choices of others?
And that goes for the Hindus who argued on this bored as well.
At least take a minute to read it. I’m sure you will be forgiven.
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Sean,
I find it interesting that you state that you’re “not here to say one religion is the valid truth and one isn’t, being as I don’t have enough information about Hinduism to really make a proper argument either way,” then you proceed to make an argument anyway.
God created us with free will to either follow his commands or disobey them, but this doesn’t mean we won’t be punished for not choosing his way–salvation through Jesus Christ. God’s truth is not based on our feelings, it is based on what he expects of us. Since he created the universe and everything in it, including us, it’s his sovereign right to make the rules, and his rules say Jesus Christ is the only one who can save sinful mankind from our evil ways. Any other way, or religion, only leads to the gates of hell. You don’t have to accept this or believe it, but it’s true regardless of what you or anyone else thinks.
The key element of Christianity is that all of us are sinful and are in need of salvation from sin through the sinless Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s what God says in the Bible, which has stood the test of time and has withstood all kinds of attacks from men.
Do you really expect me to turn my back on the truth just because you or anyone else is offended and your feelings are hurt? Preoccupation with trying to appease people so as not to offend them or hurt their feelings shows that one fears men more than God, and this type of thinking is why society is so corrupt. The majority of people are afraid to stand up and accept or speak the truth for fear that they won’t be popular or their lives may be threatened.
I make no apologies for what I’ve written here since I’ve done my research. Hinduism is of the devil like all false religions are. If you don’t want to hear the truth, you’re free to go to blogs and websites that espouse your way of thinking. I would imagine that since you’ve been educated under the Catholic system and you’re offended by what I’ve said about Hindus, then what I’ve said on my blog about Catholicism will really get your blood boiling.
Finally, I would suggest you take time to read a non-Catholic Bible. You may just discover that what I’ve said is true and, Lord willing, you just might accept Jesus as your Lord.
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u r sucha losa dude..
u dunno a bit bout christianity..
y u tryin2 teach or misguide othrz bout hinduism..??
u suck…
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Emily,
I know plenty about Christianity and about Hinduism, as I’ve clearly stated and proven in previous comments. If you’re going to make a point, can you try to be original? Your statements have already been made in other comments here and I’ve already disproved such comments, so you’re speaking out of your anger caused by your being misguided and you bring nothing new to this discussion.
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Am I late to this blog or what? It always amazes me how quick demons are to find a good blog teaching truths and their skin just peels back in trying to defend their wicked ways and deadly religions. Ouch-ouch-OuCH!!!
Great job Harry on defending our Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty. It is Christ like spirits as yourself that shine the Light of God throughout the world. Keep up the great pleasurable work of glorifying our Lord! Our Father loves You!
One in Christ,
Tasha
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… shame be on thou that is unclean.. like pigs you blind gods children.. burn in hell for eternity.. seed bearer.. minion and anti christ
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woody,
You have really now revealed what spirit you have. To tell me to burn in hell for eternity goes against what Jesus commanded. He did not give anyone the right to condemn someone as you just did. Jesus said in Luke 6 “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:” Yet, you just judged me and condemned me by telling me to burn in hell. I’m a follower of Jesus, the only way to heaven, so for you to say such a thing to someone Christ has saved and to someone who speaks against idolatry reveals that YOU are an antichrist, a liar, and a deceiver. You need to repent.
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Wowww…..such passionate, intense responses from both sides!!! I do believe that as Christians we are to LOVE our enemy. The ruler of this world is in control of ALL that is within it. Satan influences the economic, political, music industry, as well as in the MANY forms of faiths that are running rampant in the world that have as their core an essence of direct opposition to what the Bible reveals to us about God’s love for us.
When presenting valid premises on one side of an issue, it should be done with humility, and respect for the others’ perception. We should NEVER insult, or IMPLY we KNOW that they are going to hell!!!!!
God’s thoughts and ways are higher than ours, please keep that in mind at all times before verbally insulting someone who is not of our faith.
However,…..thank-you for being vibrant in your defense of our Lord and savior, JESUS CHRIST.
Peace be with you,
Aurelia Salazar
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Thank you, Aurelia, for your comments.
As Christians we are definitely commanded to love our enemies. But this doesn’t mean we should always play nice when people need to be confronted about their sins. I did a post on this blog recently entitled “Should Christians always be nice to everyone?” that covers this in detail. Part of love is the ability to tell someone the truth even if they are offended.
[When presenting valid premises on one side of an issue, it should be done with humility, and respect for the others’ perception.]
If you’re implying I haven’t been humble, you’re wrong. It’s because of my humility that I was able to write this post and respond to my detractors. I am who I am only by God’s grace and the knowledge I have is only by his grace. I wrote this post and my responses because I want people to experience God’s love firsthand by turning their backs on false doctrines.
The Bible gives plenty of examples of how we should respect the rights of others, but respect for people’s misguided perceptions is not taught in the Bible. Genesis to Revelation is all about God confronting people about their wrong thinking and wrong actions using his prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ. If God was concerned about respect for people’s perceptions, Jesus never would have preached against the Pharisees and Sadducees.
[We should NEVER insult, or IMPLY we KNOW that they are going to hell!!!!!]
The Bible clearly draws a line of separation between those who go to heaven and those who end up in hell. It tells us without hesitation that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Therefore, based on that godly truth, I can conclude that people who don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are on their way to hell. You are basically saying I should overlook what God’s word says. I can’t and I won’t, not after all that God has done for me. If someone is offended by the truth, too bad!
[God’s thoughts and ways are higher than ours, please keep that in mind at all times before verbally insulting someone who is not of our faith]
You’ve just misquoted this scripture to try to get me to be like so many other milktoast, weak Christians who are afraid to stand up for the truth. When Isaiah told the people that God’s ways are higher [Isaiah 55:9], he was repeating what God told him and it was a message that people should turn away from their sinful ways to stay true to his word. That’s the same message I’m pointing out here. The scripture had nothing to do with trying to be nice to unbelievers so as not to offend them.
As far as verbal insults are concerned, many sinners are verbally insulted when told they are sinful and need salvation. So should I just forget about mentioning that when telling people about Jesus? I don’t think so!
Even Jesus, who knew no sin, used what could be considered “verbal insults.” He called his own disciples “fools” [Luke 24:25], he called Jews who believed in him children “of the devil” [John 8:44], and he insulted people who had a false religion, calling them “hypocrites.”
If you want to give me advice about how I should conduct myself, please make sure it’s based on what the Bible actually says, not on false ideas conjured up by people who are afraid of other people.
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Harry.here is my testimony to Jesus,i was once a hindu, i believe in Him, I feel His amazing Grace,i know He is the truth,He is the way,He is the life. i dont have logic and reasons, but I have faith and nothing in this world could shake it. pity to those who doesnt understand Him, for the satan takes away the seed before the seed could reach the ground,and satan indeed is very clever and hides himself through other false gods. We are supposed to share the Word,if they dont understand they they are missing the most beautiful Love of the Highest and the most loving God.
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“Even Jesus, who knew no sin, used what could be considered “verbal insults.” He called his own disciples “fools” [Luke 24:25], he called Jews who believed in him children “of the devil” [John 8:44], and he insulted people who had a false religion, calling them “hypocrites.”
Thank you indeed Harry. You are absolutely correct in all your speaking. Who can deny the truth unless the truth is not in them.
Tasha
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om…means sound of god…..being a hindu….i am no supporting this…..according to hinduism there are the trimurthis-brahmha(creator),vishnu(protector),shiva(destroyer,parabrahnma)….shiva is destroyer and not satan…if he is satan how can he help poor people and destroys the entities of evil….is that a show for himto attract people ?….kali and not shiva is the satan….kali enjoys killin and exploiting people…..kali is ugly while shiva is glamourous……kali get involved in sexual acts…while shiva is an ascetic who is always in meditation and praying to shakthi the mother of all gods to protect the world from destruction…..in hinduism there is no doomsday …after last judgement kali is killed by kalki(protector of masses,who is the last incarnation of vishnu)….after that the 3 yudas continues again and this repeats.this doesn’t mean that i’m against christianity….my best frnds are a muslim and a christian.
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Anonymous,
The Bible says “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.” [1 Corinthians 10:20]
All false gods/idols are devils, whether it’s vishnu, shiva, kali, etc. They are all devils wearing different faces to deceive as many people as possible.
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@harrygaylord
Well leave the essence of Hinduism aprt,people like you who wnat to remain narrow and cheap minded and following catholicism which just revolves around the story of one man and talking about thphysical and worldy matters cant understand.
Lets talk the history which will prove what you, your religion and church wants in the world
Start from the Gnostics and burning of millions of women by issuing the order that free minded women to be killed and today the countries following your religion are the ones having the most open minded women and involved in all kinds of activities your church defied (remember I am talking about most)
Crusades: your pope wanted to capture the jerusalem, kindom of heaven
Pope ordered and kings raided all the know land just to spread the religion. Think a religion that needed mass murder, war, agression and invasion to spread the message of love, see the paradoxy the people who just know only one man Jesus, even cant folllow his teachings.
the real reason behind the existence of such invasion and trials to expand the religion was that, the church and pope knew that the one who knows the religion and path to god is the most powerful, i.e more the folllowers of a religion more will be your authority.
So the man, you, the follower of such a religion which needs to invade and curse and defy other great religions just to justify yourself and your religion; just imagine how the curse such a religiion is!
You need to think before you make such perceptions
Hope you reveal truth or mention I will teach you here in this blog itself
You also talk about the polytheism, God angels, Jesus
You also talk about incarnation, Lord jesus will come again
You also talk about the rebirth
so why you defy in others.
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Ashutosh,
Just to educate you on a couple of things. First of all, I’m not Catholic nor have I ever been Catholic. Second, Catholicism is not Christianity and I have done plenty of blogging about the evils of Catholic teachings and the evil actions of their leaders throughout history. So you’ve made some assumptions about me that aren’t true.
Christianity is not polytheism. It teaches that our one God, Jehovah (Yahweh), has manifested himself in three ways–the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
Angels are not gods and Christianity does not teach that angels are gods. So the acknowledgment in Christianity that angels exist has nothing to do with polytheism.
Resurrection is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is the teaching that there is a continuous cycle of beings coming back in different life forms, such as a person dying and then coming back as an animal. Resurrection is the teaching that humans who die will come back from the dead only in human bodily form, just as Jesus did.
Jesus Christ’s return is also NOT reincarnation. Jesus was raised from the dead in his human body and then ascended to heaven and will one day return to Earth from heaven. This has nothing to do with reincarnation where a life form goes through many deaths and rebirths into differing life forms.
Rebirth is NOT reincarnation. A person who believes that Jesus is Lord is spiritually reborn–meaning they are made free from sin and the judgment of burning in hell for their sins to live forever in the presence of the Lord. Reincarnation teaches that a person must die and come back over and over to pay for their mistakes and sins from a past life.
The fact that you’re confused about the facts just reveals how the lies you’ve been taught have blinded you to the truth.
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Holding your nose back of the head or straight of the head is the same thing….. its another way to say Jesus goes to heaven and one day returns from heaven..
well even we can say… all God go to heaven and one day return when the world needs him to destroy the evil and restore the faith.
I am not blinded you are being blinded by being tought the same concept as ours in a broken another way…
I got it all the explainations above; all are in vain…. you are Baptised to your religion and wont understand the Legacy of the Hinduism that shones from past 1 million years and more and not like the christianity that thrived just 2000 years back and that too with no record for humanity to sustain..except to follow the sermon at the mount….when you were not even born…we were making documents and nourishing research in medical sciences and physical sciences….we were devising ways to live in family and offer prayers….Its not possible for people like you nor for everyone to understand the legacy of 4320000 excerpts of 18 Puranas, 4 vedas 200+ upanishads, brahmans and many more beyond your imagination…so keep talking about the yehowah and his resurrection and keep yourself being destroyed as it is happening today…talking practicality…Christianity has never been able to achieve what it has tought….65% marriages of your world go divorce….mothers dont feed babies…almost all youth have premarital sex….and all those that you teach as sins….Why so?? just think and think….only the sermons wont work out anything…. you wont understand the greatness…. Ok take care bye
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Ashutosh,
Your ramblings are not grounded in the truth. It doesn’t matter what Hindus were doing before this or that group since Hinduism is not based on the truth. Hinduism, like all false religions, is based on man creating gods in his own image. And you didn’t go back far enough in your misconceptions about the history of man.
The one true God, Yahweh, pre-dates Hinduism and so do his followers. The first man and woman, Adam and Eve, worshiped Yahweh, the God of Christianity. Then several generations later after God destroyed mankind with a worldwide flood, he preserved one family from whom we all descended–Noah’s family. Noah and his sons worshipped Yahweh, the God of Christianity.
Then starting with Noah’s grandson, Nimrod, humankind started forming false religions with false gods. This is why the people of the Earth got together to attempt to build a tower to reach heaven.
Because of their idolatrous pride in trying to elevate themselves to god-status, Yahweh made them all speak different languages and they had to separate themselves to different places throughout the Earth based on the language they spoke. And when these nations were formed, the people continued to form their own false religions in their rejection of Yahweh. That’s how Hinduism came to be.
Your ramblings also show how inaccurate you are with your facts. For instance, within the last two years or so the divorce rate in America was found to be 43% and it has never been as high as 65%. Furthermore, America has many Christians in it, but we are not a Christian nation.
Haven’t you ever heard the phrase, “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”? Because this applies to the world of Hindus with their abuse of women and girls, whom they sell in the sex trade. The oppressive, hate-filled caste system still exists. A great number of Hindu men are abusive (psychologically or physically) toward their wives or daughters. Hindus still bear false witness against Christians to try to justify burning their homes, burning their churches, and murdering them in cold blood. So where is the advancement you speak of?
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To every one on this blog,
Spread love not hatred. Spread love and compassion like Jesus. He will ONLY THEN give you salvation…
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
Then salvation will be guaranteed unto you.
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Arjun,
Genuine love and compassion result in a person’s life only after they repent of their sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
“if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” [Romans 10:9]
Then after we get saved–“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” [1 John 5:3]
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” [1 Corinthians 15:1-4]
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to every one on this blog,
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.”
Imagine the humility and meekness of the personality behind those humble words !
“Whosoever therefore shall break “EVEN ONE” of these “LEAST” commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Be “YE” therefore PERFECT, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
All NOT some BUT all his commandments should be followed or else “NO ONE” has the right to enter his kingdom of heaven.
One More beautiful parable…
“Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
All desires that bind us to good living on earth cant be bound to the heavenly kingdom, we have to loosen the bonds of luxury and temptation.
The parables are sooooooo deep in thought I feel like narrating more but more will come only tomorrow. For now let us ruminate on the above parables and try to improve our sinful selves.
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to all on this blog,
I could not wait till tomorrow so…
These two are the best parables…..
Combine the TWO…and it gives a new meaning to what Jesus expects from us.
(1)…
“JUDGE not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
(2)…
“Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but EVERY ONE that IS PERFECT shall be as his master.”
Only the person who is perfect as his master is has the right to judge others.
“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of “””Water and of spirit”””, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
So….What is this “perfection”…,
what is this “kingdom of heaven”…,
what is this “to be born again”…
that Jesus speaks about ?
This calls for some very deep introspection.
He always spoke in parables so that the one who listened should use their power to look within and improve himself.
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Arjun,
The same Jesus Christ who said “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” also commanded us “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,” [John 7:24]
Jesus, after saying a disciple is perfect as his master, went on to say “why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.” [Luke 6:41-42]
So even if our vision is blocked by our own sin, Jesus said it’s possible to cast out the sin blocking our spiritual vision so we can help our brother with his line of sight.
When Jesus called Saul (Paul) to be his apostle and preacher he told Saul (Paul), “I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, TO OPEN THEIR EYES, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” [Acts 26:16-18].
This is how a person removes the mote that is in their eye so that person can help his fellow man remove whatever is blocking their spiritual vision.
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to every one on this blog,
Firstly,
Please allow me to confess that “I AM NOT” trying to beat up an argument or an ego issue about I know more or You know more. Because we dont know any thing experientialy, but only through reading books.
This is ONLY a study for “SELF IMPROVEMENT” through understanding very blunt statements in the form of parables. AND THEN FOLLOWING THEM which is more important….
I do not only want to discussions and waste our precious time, time which has been given to us by our heavenly father to become worthy of what he wants to give us v v v badly, that is, His kingdom of heaven.
I am very firmly on the path of self improvement only through introspection and direct analysis of what self realized persons have said in the spiritual context which is in variance to our worldly way of thought & understanding. What THEY say, could be very easily misinterpreted due to our lack of being in direct & total experience with THEIR mental WISDOM state of “”God Consciousness””. That is the state of god consciousness in which they tried to explain to us the way to the kingdom of heaven. Though they can give us the kingdom of heaven, we so much crave for, “ONE CONDITION” is a must do…..
“Whosoever therefore shall break “EVEN ONE” of these “LEAST” commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven”
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
Perfection, Perfection, Perfection always….
There is no two ways about that statement. No amount of other corollaries similar or lessening that fact of “that” parable can lessen the weightage of the above parable.
And then look at this, one more parable….
“………He that loveth father or mother more than me IS NOT WORTHY OF ME: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me IS NOT WORTHY OF ME. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, IS NOT WORTHY OF ME. He that findeth his life shall LOSE it; and he that loseth his life for my sake shall FIND it.”
See how much love he demands from us….How much perfection….How much abhorrence to wealth, property, worldly attachments & how much our adherence to HIS commandments before we are worthy of HIS KINGDOM OF HEAVEN !!!!!
His kingdom of heaven does not come easily on a platter. We have to firstly be worthy of it !!! But rest assured he will make our wish come true because our father loves us much more than we love him. so dont ever have doubt because…
“…..wisdom is justified of all her children.”
BUT only under certain conditions laid down by HIM. Dont live on false hopes of entering his kingdom of heaven unless you give that ultimate sacrifice and make yourself to be one with him totally and finally. For he says it again…
“The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.”
“if therefore thine eye be single”
Meaning all efforts to be concentrated on Him alone to the TOTAL exclusion of worldly desires and attachments.
THAT LIGHT IS THE WISDOM ATTAINED. AND THAT WISDOM ATTAINED IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
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to every one on this blog,
ABOUT HOW LITTLE IMPORTANCE ONE SHOULD GIVE TO THE BODY AND MORE TO THE SOUL WITHIN EACH ONE OF US…
“Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth NOT in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.”
ABOUT NEVER BEING EGOISTIC….
“If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all.”
ABOUT HOW LITTLE FAITH WE ACTUALLY HAVE…
“If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence; and it shall remove”
ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD RESPECT ALL THROUGH OUR LANGUAGE WITHOUT EXCEPTION…
“There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”
ABOUT BODY VERSUS SOUL IN IMPORTANCE…
“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing”
ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY IS HIS DISCIPLE….
“”whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not “ALL” that he hath, he “CANNOT” be my disciple.””
ABOUT THE LAST DAY BEING THE DAY WHEN ONE FORSAKETH ALL AND NOT THE DAY OF BODILY DEATH…
“Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
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Arjun,
[ABOUT HOW LITTLE FAITH WE ACTUALLY HAVE…
“If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence; and it shall remove”]
This scripture is not necessarily about how little faith a believer actually has, but about how little faith is NEEDED to make a difference in this life. Some believers have more faith than others and may have faith that is larger than a grain of mustard seed.
[ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD RESPECT ALL THROUGH OUR LANGUAGE WITHOUT EXCEPTION…
“There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”]
This scripture is not about respecting others through our language. Jesus was answering religious leaders who objected to his disciples eating without washing their hands according to the Jewish leaders’ man-made religious rituals. Jesus responded by criticizing them for disobeying God’s commands in favor of their traditions and told them that what comes out of a man’s heart is what spiritually defiles him, NOT eating without washing one’s hands.
And there are exceptions where Christians are not expected to respect people with their language. I talk about this in detail in my post entitled “Should Christians always be nice to everyone?” In it I highlight a scripture where Jesus calls the Jews fools.
[ABOUT THE LAST DAY BEING THE DAY WHEN ONE FORSAKETH ALL AND NOT THE DAY OF BODILY DEATH…
“Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”]
This statement was made by Jesus when the Jews murmured about his statement that he was the bread from heaven that gives men eternal life. The last day Jesus referred to is simply the promise that all believers in him who have died at the time of the Lord’s coming will be resurrected on that day of his coming. This happens at the time of the end of the earth (1 Thessalonians 4, Revelation 20). The last day in this scripture is not referring to the day that one forsakes all for Christ.
I agree with your other points and I didn’t reply as a way of arguing with you, but to correct you in love as Aquila and Priscilla corrected Apollos in Acts 18 and as Paul instructed all of us with Timothy to rightly divide the word of truth.
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to all on this blog,
“Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
And again he said,
Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”
What is the grain of mustard seed ?…It is dwelling always in His thoughts…and our mind will change…
Leaven is any one of a number of substances used in doughs and batters that cause a foaming action and spreads through out the dough
“He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father, so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna (miraculous life saving and surprise food ), and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.”
“He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood”
meaning that one should always at all times have him in mind and do ones duties so that always his commandments are followed and in so doing these godly thoughts that are always in the mind will act like leaven in the dough and ones mind will be rid of worldly attachments and desires and will always ache for the unification with god.
“Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”
meaning we are not only this body mind but of the nature of the spirit…but sadly we are not aware of this and take ourselves only as body and mind.
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” here jesus also says that god is a spirit…
when we change our mindset and instead of going behind bodily luxuries, give importance only to His thoughts while doing our duties our minds (thoughts) will soon be like leaven dough and that will qualify us for his grace, “”He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”
this will be the great unification or the “kingdom of heaven”
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Arjun,
Aha! So you have finally revealed what group you’re with. I knew eventually you would reveal what false church you’re with. Why am I not surprised?
Just like Satan, you have twisted God’s words to promote your deceptive, false doctrine of unification. Unification is nowhere in the true word of God. It is nothing more than a man-made, devil-inspired doctrine made up by your false messiah–Sun Myung Moon. And, yes, I am arguing with you this time.
The real, true, and only Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, said “if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.” [Matthew 24:23] You are pointing to your unification church and telling us “lo, here is Christ” but Jesus told all of his believers not to believe people like you. And since Jesus is always truthful and right, that makes what you’re preaching a lie, even if you quote scripture.
Your false christ, Sun Myung Moon, is a deceiver and a liar and you are a deceiver and a liar for twisting God’s word to promote your false gospel.
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Amen Harry. That ole Satan, he’ll try anything and everything to push his false doctrines. He is, at all times, as a roaring lion, walking about, seeking whom he may devour.
Unbelievers forget Satan too knows our Father’s Word. How else would they be able to use it in a way to cause confusion.
Our Father God does not give His Holy Word to the unbelievers. Our Father even instructs us, “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6 They turn and rend everytime:)
This is for the deceived, the children not of God: there is only one God, Creator of all that is seen and unseen. There is only one religion, it’s called being a Child of God, the one true living God. There is only one Church, it is called the Body of Christ.
All have been invited to the Body of Christ, but anyone who does not belong to this one Church is most certainly going to share the pit with Satan in fire and brimstone for it is written and that’s final for you all. There’s no crying what kind of God does that? There’s no questions or trying to make sense of it. It’s a straight fact. Sorry you can’t wrap your stubborn minds and unfruitful hearts around it.
For, all are invited, but of course, all won’t come because of their own stubborn and foolish heart and desires. “For many are called but few are chosen.” Matthew 22:14
“But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?” Matthew 22:18
Unbelievers can read our Father’s Word, but they can’t understand it. To them it’s nothing but a foreign languege, and that’s because it is.
“Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” 2 Corinthians 4:1-4
Our Father does not allow the unbelievers, those against Him to understand His Holy Word because in their unfruitful hearts they desire not to know Him. And the only reason they’re able to use our Father’s Word at all is because Satan the deceiver uses their weak minds to do his dirty work. Their weak flesh to type it. They don’t even know what they’re typing or saying. Contradicting themselves left and right, they’re own organizations are embarrassed. Satan always comes out looking like the fool because he is.
Our Father does not chase down unbelievers and force them to love Him. Why should He?
The unbelievers on this blog or all sorts are all one kind. They are unbelievers, against God, haters for what He demands and commands. They are lovers of this world and lovers of themselves just as our Father has told us.
God’s children, we are mountains that can’t be moved by nothing other than our Lord God, His Holy Spirit and our Lord Jesus Christ. We are members of the world’s greatest Army. It is called the Army of One, God’s Army and He is the Chief Commander. We are members of the Body of Christ.
Our Father has us, His children stretched out throughout the world from the East Coast to the West, from the North Coast to the South and nothing gets in God’s way from spreading His truths across the continent.
So why do the unbelievers spend their lives protesting our Father’s Word? Because they don’t know how to break the bonds they’ve allowed Satan to bind them with. It’s easy. You have to want God, our Father more than yourself or anything else this world of Satan has to offer. How many want that? Exactly. But there are a few of us and just a few it seems.
Our Father only wants who wants Him and the few that do, we will always be more powerful in our speaking than the high number that do not. The more you hate our Father, the more He gives to us. We are clothed with His Word, we are clothed with His Spirit, our tongues and spirits are attached to God Almighty forever. Be a part of it, or be lost forever.
Sometimes I read the posts and I say, how in the world does Harry find the strength to battle with these bozos, but then our Father tells me this, “Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;” Thank you Father.
Why again Father do they not understand what Harry is saying? “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” Thank you Father.
Harry, what a Light you are in God. Not only do you Light the world on fire, there isn’t a fire you can’t put out. Praise God, our Father.
One in Christ,
Tasha:)
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Well said, Tasha. Well said! May the Lord continue to bless you richly.
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Arjun,
I won’t be reading or posting any more of your comments. You’ve said more than enough already to promote your false doctrines, so there’s no need to keep bugging me about it by continuing to send me your comments. You’ll have to use some other venue to glorify the false doctrines of the unification church and its false christ.
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Thank you Harry and you as well:)Many great blessings to you and in you from our Heavenly Lord!
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i found dis info really helpful for my homework thnx
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You’re welcome, lottie.
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I think Islam and christanity are same. Both profess same teachings that you should only follow their religion and every other religion are false. Each religion have been initiated by one man. Both religions are expansionist in nature either by sword or by money they want to spread their religion. I think that is the reason that they are now enemies of each other.
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anonymous,
Just because they have similarities doesn’t mean they’re the same. But I guess it’s easy to draw such conclusions when one does not recognize what truth is. Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed to one another because Islam was started by a self-aggrandizing false prophet and Christianity originated with the one true God who created the universe. I highlight the differences in another post called “Christianity vs. Islam” so I won’t go into any more detail here.
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Dear anonymous,
The major religions, Islam, Hiduism,Bhuddism……and then christianity.
Leaving Christianity, the rest are created by men.
In christianity, The BOOK, which is the ” word of God” the Bible, which is the only book translated into most number of languages of the Universe, and still getting in to more language is GOD’s WORD.
He has revealed how he created the universe, you, me and what he has done to LOVE you and Me….and How He appeared in this world……and in the last BOOK what would happen in the end of the world and in between all the books is a LOVE story of GOD to you and I.
Christianity is a ………RELATIONSHIP….and Christ in you and me……it is NOT a religion.
JESUS is GOD in HUMAN flesh, He died, was buried, rose on the 3rd day and ascended to HEaven and is going to come back…..
GOd expects every human being to accept the salvation through JESUS……
You can read more in “GOD’s Word”
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To all you Hindu dudes. Please do not let the words of one nut job like harrygaylord give a bad image of us all. I am a proud Christian who only follows one message we ought to follow and that is of love. Its just unfortunate that people like him give such a pathetic display of Christianity. I will of course ignore his response to my message which no doubt will be full of ignorance, and request all you Hindus to please not let this idiot to represent us all.
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@andrew,
[I am a proud Christian who only follows one message we ought to follow and that is of love.]
Is it love to call a fellow Christian who speaks the truth of God’s word a nut job or an idiot? I don’t think so. The love Christ taught was to love someone enough to tell them the truth if they’re on the wrong path, which is what Christ did throughout his ministry when he confronted Jews time and time again about their incorrect doctrines. The love you are reflecting is actually the fear of men and not the fear of God. You prefer not offending anyone because you’re more concerned about being accepted by your non-Christian friends. You consider what man wants as being more important than what God wants. In so doing, you have deceived yourself and are deceiving your non-Christian friends.
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Harry speaks the truth can you prove what harry spoke is false.
his intension is not to hate hindus. But hate what the bible hates i.e false doctrines
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I am very well versed with Hindu scriptures. Could I request harry, that you provide references to texts where you got your information about Hinduism from. I am quite keen to review these claims you make about Hinduism. I suspect that your sources may be unreliable and therefore this may not be your fault but of people that have misguided you. I feel I should apologise on behalf of all Hindus for a handful of jokers that may be playing a practical joke on you by giving you misleading details just to see you get all tangled up. I mean, ‘worshipping Shiva’s penis’… really ??! I think you have been punked.
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Rohit,
Spare me your patronising tone. I haven’t been punked and you know it. The fact that the truth behind the ungodly teachings of Hinduism have been exposed makes you fearful, so you make your false claims my information is unreliable. If you are as well versed in Hindu scriptures as you claim, then you know full well that the worship of the Shiva Lingam is in the Puranas. Furthermore, if you are truly educated in Hinduism, you know that a lingam has many definitions, including that it represents sexual intercourse, the male sex organ, AND the genital organ of Shiva in phallic form (as stated by Hindu scholar of the 19th century, Vaman Shivram Apte). Among the many praises, hymns, or blessings in the Puranas is the song praising the blessings of the Shiva Lingam (known as the Lingashtakam) so don’t even act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Hinduism, like Freemasonry, bows down to phallic symbols. The Freemasons have their obelisks and Hindus have their Shiva Lingam. For some reason, false religions seem to be preoccupied with male members. Probably because they are false doctrines created by men with the help of devils to exalt humankind by catering to his ungodly pride.
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I was born a hindu,but few months back i have accepted Jesus as my Saviour and i consider Bible the Word of God,i am a monotheist and i believe in Holy Trinity. I dont go to temples and i consider any kind of idol worship against His Word. First time i experienced His amazing Grace i was about 10 years old and from that it took me a long way to understand Him,in between i became an atheist after that i became i devoted devoted hindu, also Jesus was close to my heart cause i knew He is a Living God,and slowly i understood Him and his sacrifice and Our Heavenly Father,and i committed my life to Him and i realized that nobody else is worth to be worshiped, and i would never ever go to a temple (hindu’s place of worship) or participate in any rituals. One very loving experience i would like to share is that when i use to go to temples or (even a small temple in my home) i never felt anything,i tried communicating with God but didn’t felt anything special,on contrary i was distracted by rowdy people in temples and the obnoxious priests doing all sorts of nonsense rituals, but whenever i pray to Jesus i could always feel is His loving Grace,and now after my commitment to Him i feel is Grace and love all the time,and whenever i go to church and or even worship and praise Him alone in my rooms,my eyes are filled with so much tears and i feel beautiful emotions stirring in my heart.I am lucky to know and love Living and True God. Here are few things i would like to point out
..the description of kali and shiva is too distorted and biased,i dont consider them as gods,to me they are false gods created by once stupid humans, but still your point of view is far from neutral.Yes shiva’s private member is worshiped as a sign of pro-creator and fertility(read pagan).
And hindus might be ignorant about santa claus being god…thats seriously funny,i never knew any hindu who thinks that.
most of the things which is written are to the point concerning essence of hinduism.
i think the good news with people who are ignorant of God’s Word should be shared with love and grace.
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I don’t know what this is supposed to prove? Christian missionaries spend millions of dollars to convert in India and only end up picking up some dim wits. Stars like Julia Roberts convert on their own to Hinduism!. Have you wondered some of the greatest philosphers such as Ralph Waldo Emerson, Carl Sagan, Robert Oppenheimer openly showed their appreciation for thr upanishadic ideas?
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Mama Mia,
Your criticism of those who come to know the truth about God in India reveal who the true dimwit is–and it’s not the ones who convert. And seriously–you’re using Julia Roberts of all people as an example? Seriously? It’s obvious you’re caught up in what Hollywood says and does, but in case you didn’t notice, they’re not exactly the best people to look at as examples when you consider how loose their morals are. The drinking, drugs, multiple marriages, etc. reflect how empty their lives are even though they have the looks and the money.
I don’t care about Ralph Waldo Emerson, Sagan, and Oppenheimer’s thoughts on Hindu scriptures. When it comes to religious matters and matters of spiritual truth, they are greatly lacking. Emerson admitted to having homoerotic attractions to other men even though he was married. He was also a transcendentalist. Sagan thought the oil fires in Kuwait during the Persian Gulf war of the 1990s would cause environmental damage akin to a nuclear winter and that they would damage agriculture in South Asia. He turned out to be completely wrong and made other scientific errors.
So the men you cling to were fallible in their philosophies and once again the Bible is so true when it says “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened,” [Romans 1:21]. Based on your comment, I can conclude this verse applies to you also.
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>> When it comes to religious matters and matters of spiritual truth they are lacking
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Interesting and just like any other thing that the head in the sand christian fanatics do – you just wash away statements that don’t appeal to you.
Who should one turn to for spiritual truths? The Sodomizing priests who are the true followers of Christ?
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Mama Mia,
Your arguments are misguided. In previous comments I have already stated how Catholicism is not true Christianity, but I guess you didn’t read all the comments. I even have posts about Catholicism’s dark history if you care to click on “Catholicism” in my subject cloud to the right on the screen. My guess is you probably won’t bother. It would be too much work, especially since you’d rather attack true Christianity without all the facts in play.
And would you rather we turn to Hindu gurus for the truth or the Brahmans? They’re the ones who promote the evil caste system and don’t mind it when young girls and boys and women are sold on the slave market (human trafficking) in nations embracing Hinduism.
Who do we turn to for truth? Jehovah, who is the one true Creator, as has been proven in the Bible and who came in the form of a man–the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Am a converted christian , I did not take a penny to be converted. But gave away most of our wealth to gospel after i converted.
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since i was a little girl i always thought that there is something special about me but never could figure it out, but few days back i realized what was special about me,it is that i am a Christian, i follow Christ,he makes my life worth living.He saved me from (atleast 5 serious suicide attempts,that time i was atheist). I was born into a well educated and upper middle class hindu family,my parents are hindu,and no one evangelized me it was through the wonders of Holy Spirit that i had a realization of the Living and True God.
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Indians are the greatest.
We have Vedas, Puranas, Itihas(Ramayana, Mahabharata).
Samskrit is the oldest and richest language.
Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and so many are created here only.
I will explain small things about our gods…
God – wife – about
1.Brahma – Saraswati (godess of literature and study)
2.Vishnu – Lakshmi (godess of richness)
3.Siva – Parvati (godess of power)
I have so many things to tell…
first read about hinduism and hindu gods…
Indians found ‘0’ number.
Indians have greatest astronomers,mathematicians and scientist earlier to newton, Pythagoras.
We have ancient language.
We have oldest and greatest civilizations.
We are great in literature and music.
India – Unity in diversity.
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shanmukhan,
Yes, India does have a rich cultural heritage that dates back many centuries, but the focus of my posts and comments is about the lies that are taught in Hinduism. You have many gods, but there is only one true God who created us and this universe–Yahweh.
No matter how ancient your civilization or religion is, it does not pre-date Yahweh or the worship of Yahweh. Your ancestor, Japheth, the son of Noah, worshipped Yahweh. But generations who came after him that built Indian civilizations forsook the worship of Yahweh to create Hinduism and its false gods who they created with attributes that were pleasing to their sinful ideas.
So, you see, Shan, I know about your religion already. Boasting about the advances in India’s past, present, or future does not justify Hinduism in any way, shape, or form.
“Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory [boast] in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
But let him that glorieth glory [boast] in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 9:23-24
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Dear Harry
I have truly found strength in how you have used the Bible scripture to reply on each topics. In all the abuses they made, you have gently responded back not by your wit of knowledge but verses straight from the Bible “The word of God”,:) I really appreciate that (That is a character of a good teacher). All through out the reading I have seen not a single person taking out a verse out from Hindu scripture in matters related to the on going subject so as to stand on their ground, I guess they had none. If the Hindu side wants to highlight the truth let them quote some of their Hindu scripture so that we may see, but so far no light was shined. May God bless you.
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Thank you Ron. I pray God will continue to bless you also and that he will draw to himself those who are in bondage to false teachings so they can experience freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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While the Hindu scriptures obviously contradict each other and pass off fairy tales as the truth, the Bible states truth that was verified by science centuries after God revealed the truth to Job.
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What absurdity! There are web sites after websites discussing Bible contradictions, absurdities, flaws, vulgarities, incest, pornography etc. And pompous fools make these grandoise statements?
You say Hindu scriptures pass off fairy tales and yet Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882), one of America’s foremost writers says this
“I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavat-Gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spake to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions that exercise us.”
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) American Philosopher
“In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavat Geeta, since whose composition years of the gods have elapsed, and in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seem puny and trivial;”
Should the readers believe a christian fanatic or these respected American icons?
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Mama Mia,
What’s absurd is your comment. The Bible doesn’t promote the list of things you mentioned. It refutes them. It’s obvious you really haven’t read it for yourself. You just mindlessly parroted what you’ve heard over the years.
I did a post called “Science compliments the Bible” and two posts called “Is the New Testament truthful?” that show how the Bible is completely accurate in its history and in its science. The Bible proclaimed the Earth was round and that the universe is expanding long before scientists figured it out. Secular historians have shown the bulk of the New Testament was completed around 66 AD and it predicted the destruction of Jerusalem before it happened in 70 AD. And there are many more infallible proofs in the Bible that show us how truthful it is.
Yet you send me a comment about some guys who embraced Hindu scripture that teaches about the Earth being upheld by an elephant, a turtle, or a wild boar? In your own words–what absurdity!
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. [John 3:19-21]
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Mama Mia
If you take an honest approach to the Gospels, and actually read its contents, it cannot be refuted. Bible prophesy is 100% accurate so far with history, and there is nothing that can change that, nor any reason why it shouldn’t continue to be correct right up until the return of Christ Jesus. There is no other religion; NONE that can make the same claim. It is always people who never read the Word that continue to refute it. As Harry said previously, you are simply touting other peoples opinions who did not know the Word. You can attack us and call us fanatics and fools all you want and it won’t make you correct. What you don’t understand is that the world at large has always been set against you and I learning the truth. That is why God made sure we had the Bible. It contains the knowledge and truth we need for salvation. God’s Word tells us that we will be hated and seen as foolish by natural man (people who don’t have the word and are dead in sin). He warns us of all the religions that people will follow, and explains why it is idolatry. I urge you to study these things for yourself and see how much trust you have for all these “respected men in American history” when you have really taken the time to learn the truth. Even scientists who claim “the big bang theory” have had to admit publicly that they can’t explain how that supposedly formed a galaxy and planet that completely compliments each of it’s components so perfectly. These learned men of science have no answer. Albert Einstein said one cannot look at the universe and not come to a conclusion other than a Divine Creator. He was referring to Jehovah the true living God, the only God, creator of heaven and earth and all therein.
In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:1-4)
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You quoted from the Bible and you believe it is the word of God. However, the very basis for the Christian theory of Creation seems to have originated from the Vedas!. Compare this:
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Rig Veda:
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“Prajapati vai idam agre aseet” (In the beginning was Prajapati, the Brahman): “Tasya vag dvitiya aseet” (With whom was the Word): “Vag vai paramam Brahma” (And the Word was verily the Supreme Brahman).
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Vak or Word was understood by the ancient Hindus to be the Sound which brought all things into existence – the Sound or Word – the primordial emanation of God expressing and clothing the creative Thought.
Unlike the popular western notion that Hinduism is just a conglomeration of beliefs, Hindus believe that the Vedas and the Upanishads are the revelation of God, the Vedas contain the means to Salvation and were made available to Humankind at the beginning of creation.
If it is true that John 1:1 is a revelation of God it appears that the same revelation was made to the Hindus (thru the Vedas) long long before Christ. This to me proves that the Bible is “NOT” the only means but possibly “A” means to Salvation (emphasis on possibly).
And Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita :
“In whatever way, men worship me, in that way shall I assist them.”
Now, with regards to Albert Einstein’s reference to the Creator, you automatically assume he was referring to Jehovah!. Here is Einstein on the Bhagavad-Gita: “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.”
Could Einstein be referring to the God in the Bhagavad-Gita? After reading the above I would say an absolute Yes!.
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Mama Mia, once again you haven’t done your research thoroughly. Although parts of Hindu scripture precede certain parts of the Bible, parts of the Bible precede some parts of Hindu scripture and God’s word was established in Heaven before he had men of God write them down after his creation. The Bible is also different from Hindu scriptures in that God has preserved his word down through the centuries commanding mankind not to tamper with his words–meaning man is commanded not to add or take away from God’s words. Those who do are severely punished. Hindu scriptures, in case you didn’t know this, have been edited by the Brahmans through the centuries. When they have encountered teachings that suit their fancy, they have added them into the Hindu scriptures and teachings. They also have the freedom to take out something from Hindu scriptures if they don’t like them. Hindu scriptures are changeable, always in flux. God’s doctrine and his words do not change.
The Rig Veda you quoted that sounds so much like John 1:1 was plagiarized from the holy scriptures of the Bible and put in because a Brahman liked the words. But this should be no surprise since Brahmans have been under the influence of their spiritual father Satan since the first Hindu scriptures were ever written and one of Satan’s oldest tricks is to hijack God’s word, just like your Brahmans have done. In case you missed what I just said–John 1:1 precedes the words of the Rig Veda you quoted. A Brahman added them in after he heard John 1:1 centuries ago from a Christian missionary, possibly an apostle.
Therefore, your whole argument based on the Rig Veda and the conclusions you have drawn from it are as flimsy and unreliable as a house of cards or a house built on sand.
[Vak or Word was understood by the ancient Hindus to be the Sound which brought all things into existence – the Sound or Word – the primordial emanation of God expressing and clothing the creative Thought.]
Are you sure Hindu scripture teaches Sound brought all things into existence? Come to think of it, Hindu scriptures have so many varying accounts of the Creation, it is impossible to know from them which creation story is true.
The Rig Veda says the second Purusha (a god) who was born from the Universal Purusha (a god) was sacrificed by the other gods and his body parts formed the animals, the sun, moon, stars, the four castes, and the earth and sky. But that same Rig Veda, Book 10, Hymn CXC (190) says that Fervour created the night and the sea and that the god Dhatar created the heavens (sky) and the Earth.
Which one is correct? Did Vak bring everything into existence or was it Purusha’s body parts or was it Fervour or was it Dhatar? They can’t all be correct. But they certainly are contradictory. Not to mention they are unscientific since science shows our Universe was brought into existence from nothing, just like the Bible says.
And about Albert Einstein–it’s no surprise that a man such as him would seem to embrace the God of the Bible one minute and then turn away from him the next. It has happened throughout history and the Bible gives examples. King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon praised the God of Daniel (i.e. Jehovah) one minute after Daniel interpreted his dream but had Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego thrown in the fiery furnace the next minute for not bowing down to his false god. King Saul of Israel prophesied by the spirit of Jehovah one minute, then the next minute was trying to kill David who Jehovah appointed to replace him as king.
Professing yourself to be wise, you have shown yourself to be a fool. A fool because you came here, not to search for the truth about the God of the Bible, but to try to argue your foolish theology based on myths, fables and lies. You are deceived and have allowed Satan to blind you to the truth.
You have proven the Bible true when it says “A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself,” [Proverbs 18:2]. You don’t want understanding, you just want to encourage yourself out of the wicked things that can be discovered from your own wicked heart. But I tell you that your “gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens,” [Jeremiah 10:11]. And you will perish with your false gods if you don’t repent of your wicked ways.
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Mama Mia,
I returned to Christianity last January after being away from it for more than 30 years. I was frightened and alone, and called out in anguish one morning and Jesus responded. My Holy Bible was shown to me and a clear voice told me “This is the word of God”! My life changed instantly and forever that morning. I read Gods word daily and have nearly finished my first completion of the Bible. I enjoy fellowship every Sunday with others in the Body of Christ, and working at becoming a better witness to the Glory of God almighty, which is my reason for responding to your last post. The Bible says that God will call his people back to him during these days, and he did call me back. I could go into detail about the wondrous ways that my life has changed and all the blessings I receive on a continuous basis because I serve a glorious living Saviour, who hears my prayers and knows I live to serve him, but there are now too many to tell. God knows I am waiting for him, and living for him, and like the BIBLE says he has not left me or forsaken me. You see I have been on a journey that he sent me on until I arrived here by his will. He didn’t tell me to follow hinduism, no he said clearly that the Holy Bible is the Word of God. And that message has proven true in every aspect since that wonderful day Mama Mia, A truth you nor anyone can ever take from me. Everyday I read from the word it proves itself the truth. Turn away from your self righteous attitude the selfish, and vain ways of this world. Satan rules down here and if you read the Bible you would see those warnings from God and recognize. I hope you choose wisely, I have done my job by giving you the good news, you can be saved. Not many of your kind will be.
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It would be an insult to Hinduism if it was to be compared with Christianity or any other religion. Hindus can never be as brutal as Christians are. It only makes me angry to read all these posts. Hinduism is a way of life with great and deep spiritual beliefs. Christianity is False and Lies based on nothing. Jesus is not God or Gods messenger. It would make sence if you compare Christianity with Islam rather than Hinduism. Hinduism is pious unlike the two most brutal and similar religions in the world: Islam and Christianity.
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RoyGirl,
If you are insulted by the truth, so be it. I am not writing to please men, but the one true God who created you and me. And this one true God, Yahweh, is insulted that you would exchange his truth to cling to the lies of Hinduism when he is the one who created this planet for you to inhabit and created the oxygen you breathe and has showered you with many other blessings. It is because of him that you live and move and have your being.
By your words you have proven Hinduism is not of God. You deny that Jesus is the Christ, the Lord. The Bible, which has God’s absolute truth, tells us “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son,” [1 John 2:22].
You can defend Hinduism all you like, but it does not get you closer to the truth. “Great and deep spiritual beliefs” are worthless if they do not free you from your sins or deliver you from the eternal punishment for your sins.
Why are you trying to re-write the history of your religion by claiming it is not brutal and is pious? Maybe you’re from an upper caste and are choosing to ignore the fact that Hindu children are sold into prostitution and slave labor. They are also physically brutalized. Many women in the Hindu culture are also brutalized by their husbands. This is why Indian women, along with other Asian women, who live in the UK have been committing suicide at an alarming rate in recent years. Then there’s the matter of Hindus physically attacking Christians in India and killing them and burning their places of worship or their homes without provocation.
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hey,
at first get yourself very much clear about everything before commenting.Regarding the destroyer god & goddesses”kaali & shiva”,the balance of nature must be maintained,there must be a destroyer.Morover,in hindu mythology,it has been explained as such: Brahma is the creator,Vishnu is for well-being & Shiva is the destroyer.The balance is maintained in this way.The same kind of cycle is maintained by nature also.
satan’s job is to make the life difficult for the creatures made by god to live in it.The same thing which is now happening in day to day life-jealousy,terrorism etc.
I am a hindu believer because almost everything stated in hindu mythology justifies it.It directs people to become human by heart,without compelling anyone to choose anything forcefully.
In todays world,as most of the hatred is based on religion,stop comparing religions.Any form of god from any religion does not instruct its believer to hurt its fellow beings on this basis.”BE HUMAN”
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believer,
I am already clear about what I’ve said in this post and in my comments that followed the post. You speak of your false gods as bringing “balance,” but how “balanced” is it for Shiva your destroyer to take innocent human lives at a whim as he does in your Hindu myths? Your Shiva is none other than Satan, for it has been shown that he is derived from the gods Saturn of the Greeks and Set of the Egyptians, both of whom are figures of Satan. Saturn is the Greek god of curses and death. Set is the Egyptian god of darkness and chaos. And it’s no coincidence that the names of those gods are so close to the name “Satan.”
Did you know your god Shiva is also called the king of serpents and the serpent is one of his symbols? He is also referred to as the “dragon” and the “demon of darkness” in the figures of him that appear in the ancient great temple of Tanjore in India. The Bible states clearly that Satan is the serpent, the dragon, and the ruler of darkness. And yet here you are clinging to him for dear life in his “Shiva” form when all he can give you is death. You lack the spiritual wisdom of the one true God, Jehovah, and as Jehovah states in Proverbs 8:36 “…all they that hate me love death”, you’ve just proven him true to his word because you love death as personified through your Shiva.
In the same way all sinners justify their sin, Hindu mythology justifies its lying myths. This is nothing new. And your argument for believing in mythological lies is no more justifiable than any other sinner justifying their sins. “Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts,” [Proverbs 21:2]. Since you brought up the human heart, let me give you what Jehovah says about the human heart–
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked… [Jeremiah 17:9]
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. [Mark 7:21-23]
It is because of mankind’s wicked hearts that the world is in the bad shape it’s in and yet you sit there telling me to be more human by my heart. I need to listen to the Lord Jesus. Before I knew Jesus, I listened to my wicked human heart and that got me nowhere except on a fast track down the road toward hell. Been there, done that, so no thanks. You assume the human heart is a good thing, but the God who created us and saw us choose sin over him says otherwise.
And my speaking against false religions is NOT compelling or forcing anyone to follow what I believe. You have the freedom to share your lies in the same way that I have the freedom to share God’s truth. Speaking the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ has nothing to do with forcing anyone to do anything, so please spare me your false accusations. And as long as I am able, I will continue to compare religions against the only spiritual truth that Jesus is the only one who can save humans from their sin. He is the only way to the one true God. You are in no position whatsoever to tell me to stop comparing religions. You didn’t create me, and you didn’t save me from my sins. You’re not the one who has prepared a place for me in Heaven and I must obey God rather than men.
I pray that Jehovah will take away your blindness that you may have the light of life, in Jesus’ name.
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You know all of you guys arguing about GOD right is like basically having a peeing contest.
One thing we are agreed about is GOD created us & everything. Now, let me ask you one thing guys is it necessary for us to argue about it. If GOD is like a parent if I may use Christian terminology, wouldnt he be happy if we lead a good life which entails not harming or giving sorrow to others. I dont think ,if He is loving as the pastor has been pointing out, he would be super angry if we chose a different way to worship him. A person can follow 10 commandments without been a Christian.
But Harry the question that always confounded me is that I thought angels did not have free will so how did Lucifer rebel? & why did HE create us & give us no intellect/free will. Basically HE created us not any different from any animals that he created.
There is no TRUTH except the TRUTH.
By the way Harry dont you blame socials evils on a religious beliefs. It is childish and shows how prejudiced you are. Dont they have prostitution in Brazil? Drugs in South America.
You have a faith stick to it. If it makes you a better man then GOD will be happy for you. A loving good parent will always want his children to be good.
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Anirban, you have done like all pagans do. You have created in your mind what you think God should be like. You have created a god in your image and this is idolatry. The one true God who created the universe wants us to live and move and have our being according to His image. You’ve gotten it backwards. God is not like the parent you portray in your off-kilter example.
Hinduism says deliverance from reincarnation comes through yoga. Buddhism says deliverance from reincarnation to nirvana comes through the eightfold path. Islam says to be accepted into paradise, one must worship Allah and reject, shun, enslave, or kill non-Muslims, and make one pilgrimage to Mecca during one’s life. They all contradict each other. So if we accept your lie that it doesn’t matter what path one is on as long as you follow a faith, how can anyone know their faith is correct if this god contradicts himself in the various religious scriptures that exist? Your statement implies that no one can really know the truth. If no one can really know the truth, then what you imply in your statement isn’t true, since you can’t know the truth either.
You have based your religion on a person’s good works. This is typical of all false religions. Since God created us, he is the one who gets to make the rules about what he will accept or what he will not accept from mankind. The religious writings from Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Shintoism, Universalism, Catholicism, Zoroastrianism, Qabbalah, etc. are all filled with historical inaccuracies, scientific inaccuracies, fairy tales, and spiritual lies. Only the scriptures from Christianity, the Bible, is filled with verified historical truth, verified scientific truth, and verified spiritual truths.
God is a God of love. And genuine love calls for a loving God to punish evil and reward good. Therefore, it stands to reason that you can’t just choose any way you want to worship God since you can’t know what’s evil or what’s good unless a loving God tells you what’s evil or good so he can hold you accountable for doing what’s right or doing what’s wrong. So you, being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish your own righteousness, have not submitted yourself unto the righteousness of God [Romans 10:3]. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me,” [John 14:6]. The Bible also says, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved,” [Acts 4:12]. Jesus is the ONLY one who saves us. “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” [1 Timothy 2:5]. “He that believeth on him [Jesus] is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God,” [John 3:18]. So in order to avoid condemnation from God, God said you must believe in his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. God made the universe so he gets to make the rules and these are his rules.
A person CANNOT keep the 10 commandments without Christ. The first commandment says, “I am the LORD thy God …Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,” [Exodus 20:2-5]. All religions, except genuine Christianity, have made images and likenesses of other gods in the forms of all types of creatures in heaven and on earth and have bowed down to them, automatically violating the first commandment. You break one, you’ve broken them all. However, those who believe in Jesus know that Jesus kept all commandments perfectly on our behalf. Since we believe in him, we keep his commandments, and God imputes his righteousness to us. God sees us as keeping his commandments perfectly because he sees his son in us when we confess Jesus is Lord. No one can be good without having Jesus Christ as their Lord.
And your free will question is based on faulty thinking. God gave angels and human beings free will to choose their own spiritual path. That is why Lucifer and his angels rebelled and why Adam and Eve rebelled, passing their sinful nature to all their descendants.
I WILL blame social evils on religious beliefs that come from wicked human hearts because that’s where the blame should be placed, according to God. The heart of a man is deceitful and desperately wicked and from within out of the hearts of men proceed evil thoughts, this is what God said in Jeremiah and in the gospels. False religious beliefs come from evil thoughts and evil thoughts lead to evil actions based on those false beliefs. That’s why Hindus and Muslims and other pagans are more than willing to kill people who don’t believe in their false gods. That’s why there is prostitution and drugs all over the world, not just in Brazil and South America.
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First & foremost I am not going to argue about your spiritual faith.
Questions I am going to ask are more fundamental in nature.Forgive my inquisitiveness so you say Angels have free will but it is not explicitly mentioned in either testaments so I guess was confused. But another point of confusion, I mean Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, how does that happen, If Judas was God’s instrument then he didnt have free will because if he had free will and didnt betray Christ then we would not have been redeemed.
Now what I care about this statement you made.
“Only the scriptures from Christianity, the Bible, is filled with verified historical truth, verified scientific truth, and verified spiritual truths.”
When you talk about “Verified historical facts”, I hope you know that, New Testaments were recorded after around 100 years after the death of Christ & they were in Aramaic not in Latin(if you know Latin) so the bibles we have been reading are translations even if it is in Latin & translations always get distorted. So you have 2 errors right there.One due to translation & second due to the fact New testament & Gospels are second hand recordings of people who heard people who saw Jesus Christ. So to say they are accurate representations of what happened is stretching it a little bit. Unless you are going to claim thats what every other pagan says.
Coming to Old testament which was not even written( & I am including Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist and the Priestly sources) were not compiled after 500 years after the incidents happened can hardly be called, verifiable historical source.
I dont understand your statement about “verified scientific truths”. Are you trying to suggest that earth happened 6000 years back if you believe that, then you cannot believe in atom bombs really work or the internet?
“False religious beliefs come from evil thoughts and evil thoughts lead to evil actions based on those false beliefs. That’s why Hindus and Muslims and other pagans are more than willing to kill people who don’t believe in their false gods. That’s why there is prostitution and drugs all over the world, not just in Brazil and South America”
I said that because South America is predominantly Christian.
& you didnt you have Inquisition & dindt you have Crusades. First terror group was IRA had its origins in Christianity.All the European nations who supposedly followed Christian ideals started the slave trade, bought colonialism exploited every single country, drained them dry to rot. Dont you go it is Hindus & Muslims started it. Every country has blood on their hands.
While Western world was living in there huts Asians civilizations were creating art. That is a “Verifiable Historical and Scientific Fact.”
As for you all your quotes about bible this is the first thing I was taught by my father from the Bible.
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. …”
Romans 14:1-13
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anirban,
About Judas and free will. The Bible says God knows the end from the beginning. He knows how situations will turn out before they happen. It was predicted in the Psalms hundreds of years before Jesus came that he would be betrayed by a friend and the prophet Zechariah even predicted the exact price of Judas’ betrayal. Even when God knows how people will act before they act, many times he chooses not to intervene because he can still get glory from what an evil person does, but that evil person will still be held accountable for their wickedness. Bottom line–Judas had free will and God had foreknowledge of how Judas would use his free will. So your statement is rather pointless.
You obviously didn’t do your homework on the New Testament (NT) timeline. Most of the NT books were written before 70 A.D. The only book that wasn’t was Revelation and it was written around 95 A.D. So that’s well BELOW 100 years after Christ’s death. Historians, both secular and Christian, have proven Acts was written in 62 AD. Since Luke wrote Acts, we know for a fact his gospel came before Acts since he called his gospel his “former treatise” in Acts 1. So his gospel precedes 62 AD. And we know in Luke 1:1-3 that the other gospels came before Luke’s gospel because he alludes to them there. Luke even says the other books were written by eyewitnesses who saw what Christ did. Three of the gospels were NOT second hand information. Paul was martyred in 65 or 66 AD, so it’s a fact that his writings came before that. Some of the phrases Paul quoted in his letters have been dated in historical records as far back as 40 AD, which was just a few years after Christ was crucified and resurrected. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Furthermore, translations do not always get distorted. And you’re not in a position to make such a statement anyway since you haven’t read all of the translations or manuscripts they were copied from to say they always get distorted.
Are you seeing yet how your arguments are crumbling?
The writings of Tiberias Caesar and Phlegon, a first century historian, verify some of the occurrences surrounding Christ’s life that were mentioned in the Bible. Writings of the first century Syrian, Mara Bar-Serapion, also confirm some of the things Jesus did that were mentioned in the Bible. Even noted first century Jewish historian Josephus talks about things that Jesus Christ did, which verifies what the Bible says.
With regard to the Old Testament (OT), you are wrong about those writings also. Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible at the time he was experiencing the things that happened. The information he got to write the book of Genesis was information that was given to him by the ultimate eyewitness–Jehovah himself–since Moses wasn’t around to witness the beginning. He also got his information from his forefathers who wrote their history. In Genesis 5, Moses talks about the “book of the generations of Adam,” the man from whom all of us descended. So apparently Adam must have written a history that he passed down to following generations.
But we also have proof from archaeology that verifies what was written in the OT. For example, the OT talks about the Hittite nation. In 1906 a discovery of clay tablets was made in Turkey that talked about the Hittite empire. No one believed they really existed like the Bible said, but the discovery proved the OT was correct. Moses talked about the Canaanites and how perverted they were in Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, but there were skeptics of the Bible who didn’t believe there were Canaanites until writings on ancient clay tablets were found in Syria in 1929 that gave details about Canaanite societies and how perverted and violent they were. The Bible was again verified as historically accurate. Moses states in Genesis that there was a Hebrew named Joseph who was second in command to Pharaoh in ancient Egypt, but no one believed this was possible until ancient Egyptian coins were found in 2009 in Egypt with Joseph’s name, likeness, and title as second in command to Pharaoh, just like the Bible said.
By verified scientific truth, I’m talking about how the Bible said the Earth was round in Proverbs 8:27 and Isaiah 40:22 long before scientists found out this was true. I’m talking about how Jeremiah 33:22 says that there are so many stars in the universe, they can’t even be numbered and how scientists have verified this as true. I’m talking about how the Bible says in 2 Samuel 22:16 that there are mountain ranges deep in the ocean and how scientists thousands of years after the Bible said it found out that this is true. I’m talking about how Job 26:7 says that the Earth is just hanging in space and how scientists centuries after Job said it found out that he was correct. Clearly the Bible is far more reliable than Hindu scriptures which say the Earth is held up by animals like elephants and tortoises and boars with tusks.
South America is predominantly Catholic and Catholic is NOT CHRISTIAN. The Inquisitions and Crusades were Catholic, NOT CHRISTIAN. I told you previously we genuine Christians don’t bow down to images–Catholics do. This is idolatry and idolatry has nothing to do with the one true God, Jehovah, since it’s in violation of the First Commandment. The IRA is Catholic. You can make all of the unfounded arguments against Christianity you want to make, but at the end of the day, it is all about which god is the real God and whose scriptures are the truth. Jehovah is the one true God and his word, the Bible, is the ONLY spiritual truth there is as has been verified time and time again throughout history and by the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Bible. So instead of worrying about who did what in history, try being concerned about what you will do about your own sin and your own soul. Will you accept Christ’s sacrifice for your sin and repent? Or will you continue worshiping false gods and doing your own thing to end up paying for your own sins when you die and are sent to hell for your unbelief? The choice is yours.
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and this to all hindus
christians have and always will attack our religion we should do the same to their religion .
accuse them,,try to falsify their religion as blatantly as possible in retaliation to their attack
GOD FOR SURE IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF ALL RELIGIONS AS HE IS CARETAKER OF ALL RELIGIONS AND ALL BEINGS BOTH LIVING AND NON LIVING.WITHOUT HIS WISH I OR ANYONE ELSE CANNOT SAY OR SPEAK WHAT HE OR SHE SPEAKS OR DOES.GOD IS THE CAUSE OF ALL REASONS AND THE REASON OF ALL CAUSES.
A RELIGION CAN ONLY DEPICT THE MENTALITY OF PEOPLE THEY ATTACK OUR MENTALITY AND WE WILL ATTACK THEIRS.
HINDUISM IS NOT INFERIOR TO ANY RELIGION IN ANY MANNERS.
I DISLIKE MUSLIMS FOR MANY REASONS BUT ONE THING I LIKE THEM IS FOR THEIR 100% DEVOTION TO THEIR RELIGION .HATS OFF TO ALL MUSLIMS FOR THIS.
CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS BOTH DENOUNCE OUR RELIGION AND WE SHALL DO THE SAME TO THEIRS.
FOR THERE ARE NO BIGGER SINNERS IN THIS WORLD WHO ACCEPT ATTACKS ON THEIR SELFS WITHOUT A RETALIATION.
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So by your estimation, ankur, it’s okay for you to hate and retaliate. You love hatred and all you’re doing is trying to justify your hate with the false claim that Christians hate Hindus. When we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, we are speaking what is true. What is written in Hindu scriptures is not the truth as I’ve clearly pointed out above. No amount of arguing against the truth will change the fact that Hindu scriptures don’t stand up to historical, scientific, or spiritual scrutiny. What is recorded in the Bible shows that it is very sound in what it says from the historical, scientific, and spiritual viewpoints. The fact that you still argue against the truth in spite of the fact that the truth in the Bible is so obvious just shows that sinful humans prefer their traditions over the truth.
The fact that you want to harm others who have done no harm to you just proves how evil your belief system is. Christianity teaches us to love our enemies, pray for them, and bless them in spite of their despising us. You preach the opposite of what Christianity says so how can they be the same god? A god who contradicts himself is not a god who is reliable or truthful. The God of Christianity does not contradict himself and Jesus Christ is the only way that leads to him. You can argue against it all you want, but this one truth will never change.
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This person has not the real mental acumen to engage in an actual argument. He has deleted my comments before & will do so again.
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Anirban,
My previous comments prove you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve argued my points very skillfully with my detractors. Any comments I delete are deleted because previous commenters have already brought up your points in the past and there is no need for me to continue refuting failed arguments over and over after I already addressed them several times. Try being more original in your arguments and keeping them concise instead of blathering on and on in a stream of separate comments and I will more than likely post your comment.
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Christianity is based on a LIE. Christianity says that adam and eve ate apple and that’s how they become sinners. Since they are sinners we all are sinners. So jesus came and crucified on cross to save all. This is the belief of Christianity.
Ok, now let us make analysis of this ‘story’. As per history Christianity is around 2000 years old and Judaism is not more than 3000 years old. Many religions such as Hinduism (vedic religion), Zoroastrianism etc are much older than Christianity and Judaism. If the adam and eve story is ‘real’, why this story is NOT mentioned in other religions which are older than Christianity? Because story of adam and eve is just a fiction. It is NOT at all true. Some Christians believe that earth is 6000 years old. Lol this is already disproved by science and other religions. Because Hinduism is more than 6000 years old.
What is the point in saying all humans are sinners when the ‘story’ of adam and eve is fake? What is need of so called savior/jesus when the belief of original sin is NOT true? What is the point in believing crucifixion story? In fact jesus didn’t crucify himself but romans executed him.
When you look at all this Christians belief any sane person will understand that Christianity is a LIE based on adam and story.
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Here the author says that there are many sects in Hinduism. What about Christianity? Why can’t you look at Christianity first, before pointing your fingers at other religions? There are so many (No one knows exactly how many) sects within Christianity. Just look at the different beliefs of mormons, JW, catholics, protestants etc. On top of this these people had street wars in Christian countries in the past. Christianity too is not single belief like any other religions. There are sects in almost all religions. Hinduism is older religion and it gives freedom for thoughts. Of course there are some different beliefs in Hinduism like other religions. But one thing you should remember all these beliefs are based on Vedic philosophy.
One more thing author says that Aryan invasion. One should know that Aryan invasion is a myth. It is created by British people to divide and rule India in the name of Aryan and Dravidian. It is already debunked by many historians because there is no evidence to support this theory.
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Now let’s make some more quick analysis of Christian belief. Compare the OT and NT of bible. Why there is so much difference in the behavior of Christian ‘god’? Why is he shown as vengeful god in OT and loving god in NT? Why all-knowing god did change his mind just 2000 years ago?
I can write many pages on the stupidity of Christianity. But my religion Hinduism will not teach to fight in the name of god/belief. I had to write all this to show that Christianity didn’t fall from sky. It is a man made religion. Bible is NOT god’s word. It is written by men. Below are some of the major nonsensical teachings of bible/Christianity.
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Thinker,
You haven’t even read the Bible, so how can you do a valid comparison? But let’s compare the OT & NT–
[OT] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:7-8
[NT] We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 11:17-18
[OT] The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17
[NT] …the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
[OT] God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. Nahum 1:2
[NT] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
Only a blind person cannot see that our God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He says the same things in both the OT & the NT.
The Bible is indeed God’s word, but not your god’s word. The Bible was conceived in the mind of God, shared with men, and written with perfect truth by godly men. If you despise what is written by men, why do you hold to Hindu scripture, which was written by men? If no man can ever write the truth as you imply, then Hindu scripture can’t be the truth either and you’re wasting your time arguing with me. Why defend writings that claim we were created by a primeval egg in Rigvedic hymn book 10? Why believe writings full of errors that claim the Earth is held up by an elephant standing on a tortoise as the Mahabharata claims?
But the truth found in the Bible has proven infallible through the years. History proves the Bible was accurate when it said Sargon, the Assyrian king, captured Ashdod, Israel when Sargon’s palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq and the same story in Isaiah 20 was found on his palace walls. The Bible was correct when it said Belshazzar was king of Babylon and ancient clay tablets found in Iraq confirmed he was king of the Babylonian empire. 1 Kings 14 in the Bible says Pharaoh Shishak invaded Israel in the 9th century BC, then in Thebes, Egypt, archaeologists discovered the Temple of Amun had the same story written in ancient times on its walls. Acts 18 in the Bible said the Jews were expelled from Rome by Claudius Caesar and this was confirmed in the ancient writings of the historian Suetonius.
So what events in Hindu scripture have proven to have actually happened? Which one of their prophecies have actually come to pass? The reliable record of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy proves its true. So does science. Job 28:26 says God “made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder.” Amos 9:6 says God “calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth.” Both of these describe how God has set up laws to govern the water cycle and storms of the Earth, and this cycle was discovered by Galileo many centuries after the Bible was written. But the Hindu Vedas claim that rainfall is made when you tie a frog with its mouth open to the right tree and repeat a mantra. How uncool is that?
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(continuation)
1) Belief in one time creation: if you believe that this world is created for the first time by god then what was god doing before that? (Considering god is eternal)
2) Why god creates some people as rich, poor, wise, normal, healthy, unhealthy, beauty etc? Why there is so much difference in the world? Why can’t he create all of us equally? On what basis he makes this difference? Can Christianity answer to all these questions logically?
3) Belief in eternal heaven and hell: Christian’s eternal heaven is not different from materialistic world. How can merciful god send innocent good people to eternal hell? Does it make sense? As per christian belief Buddha, Gandhi etc go to hell because they didn’t convert to Christianity. Lol. Hinduism doesn’t have such absurd beliefs. It says liberation/moksha (or salvation in your own words) is for all.
4) Hinduism doesn’t teach hate in the name of religion. But Christianity says that only jesus way (how narrow-minded belief?)
5) Belief in virgin birth, belief in original sin, story of adam and eve, eternal heaven and hell, crucifixion/execution story, difference in ‘god’ of OT and ‘god’ of NT, belief in non-christians going to hell, belief in judgment day etc all are nonsensical beliefs. No sane person will accept them.
6) Most of the Christians are brainwashed by their missionaries. They will come to know the truth when they end their life on earth.
Only solution for all these issues is VEDIC PHILOSOPHY aka Hinduism. Only Hinduism has answer to all these complex questions.
Thanks
God bless all
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Thinker,
1–Scripture says God does all things for his pleasure. It says he is righteous and cannot sin and everything he does is truthful. Just because you have questions about what God was doing before he created the universe doesn’t make your argument valid. And really, it’s none of your business what he was doing. The belief that there was one moment in time for the creation is proven by science. The 2nd law of thermodynamics shows that all energy is running out and since it’s running out, that means it had a beginning. Einstein’s theory of general relativity states that time and matter in the universe were started from nothing, they had a beginning. And here you are mocking the very concept proven by science.
2–Differences in the world are created by man, not God. Man chose to be evil and when you choose to be evil, disease comes, poverty comes. God gives man the desire to improve. So you have some people who work harder than others and gain wealth. Unfortunately, there are also people who establish caste systems like Hindus to keep people poor and rich people rich so maybe you’re directing your question at the wrong person since gurus and Brahmins set up the oppressive caste system. Your caste system is the one not treating people equally. “God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him,” Acts 10:34-35. But what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul? That’s the question you should ask yourself.
3–Good innocent people don’t go to hell. Good innocent people in God’s eyes are the ones who accept his Son. All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God, but Jesus Christ washes away our sins and remakes us so that we live up to God’s standards. And why do you attack God’s concept of heaven and hell? Mankind has the same type of system. The authorities where you live say that if you don’t steal you won’t be punished but if you steal you will be punished. Those who follow the law reap the benefits of the law and those who break the law are punished with prison or worse. That’s no different than what God does. You follow his laws you get blessed. You break his laws, you get punished. And God gives everyone the opportunity to accept his payment for sin. When you die and wind up in hell, you have no one to blame but yourself for rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ.
4–Telling someone the truth about how they can escape damnation is not hate, it’s love. You’re a liar because Hinduism does teach hate. When a person in a Hindu family becomes Christian, they are rejected by their family and sometimes physically attacked. That’s not love, that’s hate.
5–The crucifixion story is accepted historical fact. Even historians who hate Christianity know that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person who was really crucified. And the fact that there is no grave holding his body is proof he came back from the dead. And I gave plenty of evidence in my previous comment that the Bible is 100% truthful. But the Puranas say that a boar with tusks raised the Earth from a huge ocean to float on the summit of the ocean. That’s a lie and the fact that you believe in lies means you love lies. And the fact you love lies means that you sin. And you got that sin from our first ancestor Adam. You’re living proof that Adam was real. You, like so many people, are afraid to die. Where does that fear come from? It comes from knowing that your day of judgment is inevitable and God has placed that knowledge in every man’s spirit.
6–We already know the truth about what happens when our life will end. We will live eternally with Jehovah, our Creator. And thank God for Christian missionaries, for “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!” [Romans 10:15] And yes, we are brainwashed because our brains have been washed in the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ! Hallelujah! We know the truth and the truth has made us free.
Vedic philosophy is so truthful that it promotes an oppressive caste system. It’s so truthful that it promotes bestiality when it says in Manusmriti 10:72 that human sons born of animals become sages who are honored and praised.
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During dark ages, Christians did kill many innocent people because they didn’t convert to their blind faith Christianity. Christians executed more than 10 million innocent people including women in the name of witch hunt. Still it is happening in some Christian countries Christians killed many people including children and women during crusades. This is the true face of Christianity.
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Thinker,
Christians don’t kill people. As I stated before, 1 John 3:15 says “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Just because someone says they are Christian doesn’t make them a Christian. We have many people in America claiming they’re Americans when they really aren’t. The same holds true for Christianity. As Jesus said “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” The Crusades were fake Christians who killed true Christians and killed Jews to try to force them to bow down to the Pope. You haven’t gotten your facts straight. And Hindus are hardly the ones to talk about who murders whom with all the human trafficking of women and children of the lower castes in Nepal and India, not to mention the persecution of Christians that goes on all the time and the bearing false witness against Christians just for being Christian even when they don’t share the gospel.
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Thinker,
I have criticized how Christians have behaved in several of my posts here at my website. I criticize any group that doesn’t follow what the Bible says, in spite of how they identify themselves. And just for the record, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, and Catholicism aren’t Christian.
Just because people who have wars say they’re Christian doesn’t mean they’re Christian. The mark of a true Christian is given in 1 John 3–“14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.” True Christians don’t murder, we love. True Christians don’t hate, we love. And part of that love is expressed by telling people the truth about sins and about God and about the Bible even when we know our lives may be in danger.
[Hinduism is older religion and it gives freedom for thoughts.]
You’re wrong on both points here. The worship of Jehovah pre-dates Hinduism, and Christianity is the worship of Jehovah. Jesus Christ is Jehovah and was our savior before he even came to Earth as Jesus of Nazareth. Man can only be redeemed from his sins “with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,” [1 Peter 1:19-20].
[…Aryan invasion is a myth…It is already debunked by many historians because there is no evidence to support this theory.]
But the DNA evidence of the native Indian population says otherwise. Genetic markers reveal a closeness to West European and East Asian populations.
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@Thinker,
You said
[Christianity is based on a LIE.]
What proof do you have of this besides your opinion?
[Christianity says that adam and eve ate apple]
Here’s proof you haven’t even read the Bible. Adam & Eve never ate an apple that caused their sin nature. They ate fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good & evil. Your opinions are based on what you’ve heard and not what you’ve read for yourself.
[Hinduism (vedic religion), Zoroastrianism etc are much older than Christianity and Judaism]
Where’s your proof of this? You make a statement then don’t give facts to back it up. Worshiping the God of the Bible, Jehovah, pre-dates Judaism & Moses. It also pre-dates all of the religions you mention. Before we had the nations we have today, there was a man named Noah who worshiped God and he was from a long line of people who worshiped Jehovah. He was rewarded for his faithfulness to God by being saved from the worldwide flood that God brought to punish mankind for their sins. There is evidence all over the world of this flood because the fossil records all over the world show large amounts of animals were buried together in a very short time (See this article). There is also proof all over the world that rock layers were established quickly by one massive occurrence. Fossils of marine life have even been found in rock layers high up in mountains all over the world, according to this article. Then, finally, most native cultures of the world have legends which talk about a massive, destructive flood (read this article) that happened before they even came into contact with Judaism or Christianity.
All of this proof shows that the Bible is 100% accurate and the story of Noah & the flood is true. Noah and his family (who totalled 8 people) were the only ones spared in the flood. This means all of the people in the world today descended from him. He pre-dates all of the religions and he and his family worshiped the God of the Bible. So worship of Jehovah, the God of the Bible, comes way before all Eastern religions like Hinduism.
So where’s your proof that Hinduism is over 6000 years old? The science that argues the Earth is millions or billions of years old has been called into question many times by scientists and there is compelling scientific evidence as listed in this article that screams that the Earth and the universe are young.
This shows the reliability of the Bible and the God who used men to write down his truths. The Bible is historically and scientifically accurate, which is more than can be said of the Vedas and the Upanishads. The Hindu scriptures can’t make a determination if the universe was created by Aditi’s children, Purusha’s body parts, or from Hiranyagarbha, also known as the “primeval egg.” All of this proves that the liar is really you. The fact that you lie proves that there is original sin, which is how you got your sinful nature and are expressing it through your lies. You by your very nature have shown the Adam & Eve story is true.
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Great logic. You expect backup/evidence from others but you just ‘forget’ to provide any
backup when you make your own ‘opinions’ based on your ‘beliefs’ or ‘stories’ of your religion.
Well, let’s start with which is religion is old based on historical evidence. According to
various sources Judaism is less than 4000 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history#Time_periods_in_Jewish_history
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/history.htm
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/Jewish_History/
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/judaism.html
Now let’s see how old is Hinduism as per available data. You might be aware of Saraswati river mentioned in Vedas. Many vedic hymns praise this river. This river dried up long ago. In past many people believed that the river saraswati is not true but a mythology. However, quite recently, satellite photography has provided evidence of the dried up bed of the Saraswati, meandering just like a river, many miles away from the Ganga. Thus modern technology has proved what the scholars of India have always proclaimed, that there was a river but that it had dried up. Indian history relates that there was a thriving culture all along the Saraswati River but that culture migrated over to the Ganga River when the river dried up sometime between 10,000 and 7,000 BC. So as per archaeological ‘evidence’ Vedas are more than 10,000 years old.
Below article is from a westerner. He explains greatness of Hinduism aka Vedic religion.
http://www.saibaba.ws/articles/greatnessvedas.htm
So this clearly proves that Vedic religion aka Hinduism is oldest religion that is existing even today.
Now my question to you is, do you have any ‘backup’ for your ‘opinions’ to prove judaism is old religion apart from your ‘religious stories and beliefs’?
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Thinker,
So let me get this straight. I give you tons of proof of the Bible’s accuracy and the science to prove it like the 2nd law of thermodynamics in response to your belief that the Earth always existed, the proof of a worldwide flood, proof that God said the same thing in both the OT & the NT, proof that Hindu scriptures are unscientific, and all you have is proof of a dried up river? Really? And there is no concrete proof of when the river dried up.
Apparently you weren’t paying close attention to my responses about the age of Judaism & Christianity, so I’ll repeat what I’ve said before. The worship of the God of the Bible pre-dates the beginning of Judaism & Christianity on Earth. The worship of Jehovah pre-dates all religion because he is the God that Noah and his family worshipped and we all descended from Noah’s sons. Noah pre-dates India. How do we know the Bible is correct about Noah’s family? The ancient civilizations bear the names of his sons and grandsons, just like the Bible says. Egypt in ancient times was called Mizraim after Noah’s grandson. Libya was named Phut, after Noah’s grandson. Palestine used to be called the land of Canaan in ancient writings and Canaan was Noah’s grandson. The Hittites were named after Heth, Noah’s grandson.
As far as the age of Hinduism is concerned, the Rig Veda, the earliest known Veda, dates back to approximately 1700-1200 BC, but no one is exactly sure about their age, especially since your gurus and Brahmins have tampered with them through the centuries. But have you heard of the Amarna tablets or the Mari tablets? The Amarna tablets are from the same period as the Rig Veda and they talk about the Habiru people (we call them Hebrews) who were conquering Canaan. The Mari tablets pre-date the Vedas, and they also talk about the Habiru people (Hebrews) and mention other people groups named in the Bible. They also discuss the worship of Baal & Ashtoreth, which was a form of worship that the God of the Bible hated, as mentioned in the OT. These tablets prove how true and accurate the Bible is.
Hinduism is ancient, just like the worship of Baal. But even though Baalism was ancient, God condemned it, just like he condemns Hinduism and any religion that turns man away from the true God, Jehovah. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.” The Bible also promises “Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.” Only Jesus Christ can save sinful man. It doesn’t matter how old your religion is if it’s the wrong religion. Regardless of the age of your religion, the Hebrews were mentioned in ancient writings earlier than the Vedas, so your argument fails from whatever angle you look at it. And here’s the source for ancient writings & their dates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_literature
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Ok, I respect your beliefs mate. But as someone who is Hindu I am appalled to see such misrepresentation of Kali and Shiva. What the h#*l is with people and this? I don’t get it. Kali is a benevolent goddess! She is mother nature. She along with her HUSBAND Shiva are the Destroyers OF EVIL.
They destroy the evil within your life. Sheesh! Kali is a DEMON KILLER. Neither of them kill for enjoyment, they kill evil to protect people. That is one of my main pet peeves. Do your bloody research before you insult a benevolent Goddess and God.
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Annoyed Hindu,
In the White Yajur Veda of Hindu scripture, Shiva (who is also called Rudra) is said to be “lord of thieves.” The Lord Jesus once referred to Satan as a thief when he said “The thief cometh not but to steal, kill, and destroy. I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly.” [John 10:10]
In the Kalisantarana Upanishad, it is stated that one must recite 16 secretive names to counteract the evil effects that Kali brings. In the Srimad Bhagavad Gita, the person who is blessed is the one who can “destroy the taint of Kali.” If Kali brings evil effects and taints a person, this means she brings wickedness and not good things as you have been deceived into believing. The one who brings evil into this world and taints it is Satan. Therefore, ultimately Kali is just another form of the devil. “…the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils,” [1 Corinthians 10:20].
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Annoyed Hindu, I know for a fact that if people who worship kali do not perform their annual animal sacrifice kali kills them, as I live among Hindus..
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RR,
I would add that animal sacrifice is observed in Hinduism that mixes in tribal traditions and in Shaktism. Brahmanic and Vedantic Hinduism don’t include it.
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i feel sorry for people who don’t believe in jesus …. when u end up in hell dont say that u never heard of jesus christ the only man that can save you from ur sins
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To quote Gandhiji’s idea, a Hindu is also a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew…do you know how? I satisfy your first criteria. I believe Jesus to be the Son of God…but I do not believe that He is the ONLY son of God. Now if you say that I am mistaken or ignorant then you contradict my idea of believing Jesus the Son of God. If you think I am ignorant then you must also say that Jesus is not divine, because I believe Him to be so. Now you see, you cannot outright reject anybody’s all beliefs to be untrue or true.
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Satrajit,
I can reject anyone’s beliefs as false if they don’t agree with the Bible. Your false beliefs aren’t in agreement with the Bible. As I have pointed out several times, your gods like Kali and Siva are devils. Siva, in his form as the god Rudra, was called “lord of thieves” and he is also called the destroyer. This means he is Satan, who is called the thief and the destroyer in the Bible. And no matter how hard you try to argue against it, the worship of Jehovah pre-dates Hinduism. Hinduism plagiarized scriptures from Jews and Christians who lived in India centuries ago and had the words of God. Your scriptures can be changed any time a Brahman or guru chooses to change it, which makes your teachings unreliable, but the true words of God in the Bible don’t change and they stand forever. Heaven and earth will pass away but God’s word, the Bible, never will. Your gods, which did not create the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens [Jeremiah 10:11]. If you don’t repent of your idolatry, you will perish with your false gods.
Even your argument about Jesus’ divinity falls short of the truth. Hinduism teaches that all men can ascend to a higher state of existence to become gods. That’s the only reason you say Jesus is divine. The Bible says “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” You don’t believe Jesus is the one true God, nor do you believe in Jesus’ bodily resurrection from the dead. Therefore, you aren’t saved. The Bible also says in 1 John 4 “every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist.” You are not of God and have the spirit of antichrist because Hindus believe that Jesus’ spirit came back, but you deny his fleshly, physical body was resurrected.
No matter how you argue against the truth in Christianity from a historical, scientific, or spiritual point of view, the gospel will always stand as the truth.
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You can’t INSULT another religion to make Christianity look better. That is just a sad , pathetic attempt. Especially , when Christianity itself (with all due respect) has its flaws. Let me offer you a little more , broad minded comparison of Hinduism and Christianity. Hindus don’t believe in conversion. This is because our religion is one of THE oldest religions on earth (Sanatana Dharm). Christianity which came in the middle HAD to convert people to get more people under its umbrella of faith. And this includes forced conversion as well. Even though Christianity does NOT patronize forced conversion it has happened and is still in practice today. All Indians were Hindus , natively. However. today approximately 2 % of our population comprises of Christians. India is a secular country , and Hinduism says that ANY person who follows any religion will reach God , if he or she has true faith. However, Christianity says that the path to salvation is ONLY by following Christ. And the idea that you project of our Goddess Kali killing for FUN is absurd. Goddess Kali And Lord Shiva are known as ‘destroyers’ of evil. By destroying evil , they relieve the earth of its burden. And you may reply to this giving a 100 quotes from Bible , but the fact remains that Hinduism is a broader , older and more traditional way of life.
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Anonymous,
You Hindu commenters really need to come up with some new, original arguments. You keep bringing up the same arguments over and over as if repeating your lies will somehow make them true if you repeat them ad infinitum. I guess you probably learned this by the meaningless repetition of your mantras.
You really have no proof that Hindu scriptures are older than the Bible or worship of Jehovah. I gave proof in a previous comment that Hebrews, who worshiped Jehovah and are predecessors of New Testament saints, are on the earliest historical records before Hindu scriptures. They are mentioned in the Amarna tablets dating back to the 13th century BC, which is about the same time as Hinduism Vedas. The Mari letters, or tablets, are even older than the Vedas and they mention the Hebrews and their practices.
I showed you from your own Hindu scriptures that your gods are evil. I don’t really have to use the Bible. Your own scriptures show how evil your gods are. Rudra, the Vedic form of Siva, is called the “King of Serpents,” and “the father of maruts” (which means “winds” or “air”), and the lord of thieves. Your revered Yogi Vemana stated that Hara, another name of Siva, “look[s] upon evil and good as one.” In other words evil is good and good is evil in Hara’s (Siva’s) eyes. That right there is proof enough of how deceitful Hinduism is and I didn’t even quote the Bible.
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Do you have any proof that your Biblical texts are older than the Vedas?
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Satrajit,
Hindus have asserted that Vedas are older than Biblical texts, so it’s up to you to provide valid proof.
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To be a king of Serpents is not that bad considering existence of snakes (it is proved in science that most of the snakes are not venomous) balances our ecology, they are as important in Bio life and to protect the Earth as a Christian is :). So if Shiva is the king of Serpents, then it does not demean His status.
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Satrajit,
When you take into account the disposition of snakes in general and their habits–such as hiding out under rocks and being short-tempered and striking suddenly even if unintentionally disturbed–and you take into account that it’s difficult to tell the venomous from the non-venomous and they just creep most people out because they slither around, then Siva being king of serpents is hardly a compliment.
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For your information a little more, snakes do not cut trees, do not fell forests nor killed marine lives, nor pollute the air of this world which has been handed over to us afresh. Snakes just live their own lives and their existence do not threat this Earth. They do not make atom bombs to kill millions. So I pay my respect to snakes because they keep the environment clean by eating deadly insects etc and balancing the ecosystem. I bow my head down to Lord Shiva who is the God of snakes and thanks to India to make Him so instead of giving Him the status of human God.
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Satrajit,
Please spare me the “animals are superior to humans” arguments. This is typical of those who believe in reincarnation or pantheism, both of which are lies. The serpent is symbolic of Satan in the Bible. And in Hinduism, Satan brags about being “king of serpents” and his kundalini, or “serpent power.” This is how we know Siva is Satan.
Even the Vedas attest to the evil of serpents. The Atharva Veda has charms for protecting people against serpents. The Atharva Veda in book 3 hymn 26 even has a curse on one’s enemies to be consigned “to the serpents for punishment.” In India, thousands of people die every year from snake bites. So you are unaware of what Hindu scripture says even though you defend it. Most of the Hindu scriptures speak evil of serpents, yet one of the most prominent deities, Siva, is called king of serpents. So Hindu scripture testifies within itself that Siva is wicked, just like serpents are.
Jesus Christ is the only one who saves mankind from his sins. So you need to repent before it’s too late for you.
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Isnt upto you too to prove that your Biblical texts are older than our texts? If you do not have any proof then why dont you admit?
Also I never said animals are superior to human beings, only I tried to point out that animals should not be thought inferior to human beings because they too have contribution to sustain this worldly life. You misunderstood my statement completely.
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Satrajit,
The first person to bring up the argument about Hindu texts being older than Bible texts was Hindu. So since Hindus brought up the argument, the burden of proof belongs to you. I’ve already addressed this issue and gave proof of the Jews, who started the Bible, pre-dating Hinduism. It’s time for you to–as they say here in America–put up or shut up.
Animals are inferior to humans. Dominion over the earth was given to man, not animals. Your religion has things twisted. We as humans were told by God to subdue the earth and we have the freedom to live wherever we choose, whether animals like it or not. Animals don’t run the world. Jesus Christ didn’t have to die for their sins, but ours. And your arguments at this point should be over. You argued that serpents aren’t evil and Shiva is good. I pointed out that the Vedas talk about snakes and serpents being so evil that they talk about charms to ward off serpents & for protection against serpents. The Vedas also talk about cursing one’s enemies with attacks from serpents to harm them. Since Shiva is king of the serpents, and the Vedas call serpents evil, then it’s clear that the Vedas inadvertently call Shiva evil. Try as you might, you cannot get around this fact.
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im a 16 year old christian and i was wondering why you call it a “devilish belief system” yes they dont believe the same thing we do but it doesn’t mean we have to put their belief down.or call it rude things like that
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gilbert,
Your sentiments are the thinking that are being pushed in our postmodern world today, but those sentiments are not in line with God’s word. The Bible says several times that those who worship idols/false gods are worshiping devils [see Leviticus 17:7, Deuteronomy 32:17, Psalm 106:37, 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, 1 Timothy 4:1, Revelation 9:20]. It comes down to whose report will you believe? The world’s or God’s?
Jesus criticized the woman at the well for her religion when he said “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” John 4:22
Stephen criticized the Jews for their false religion when he said “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” Acts 7:51
Paul criticized the men of Athens when he said “Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.” Acts 17:22
In this day and era when the gospel of Jesus Christ has spread to every corner of the world, God has called on all men everywhere to repent and men no longer have an excuse for their idolatrous practices. So criticizing other religions is done because they deserve it for resisting the true & living God.
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I do trust all the ideas you have offered for your post. They’re really convincing and will certainly work. Nonetheless, the posts are very quick for beginners. May just you please prolong them a little from subsequent time? Thanks for the post.
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You have not posted my comments, Mr. Gaylord, so a repost…
Mr. Harry Gaylord, I am quite happy to see you defend the things that you believe in but this could have been in a non-hateful and gracious manner in order to stimulate discussion. I have come to know having discussions with some Christians that Christianity is essentially an exclusionary religion as espoused by some hard line Christians. They believe that all non-christians and christians of other denominations are going to hell!!…
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god lover who happens to be a Hindu,
I have not posted your comments are cut off THIS comment of yours because you just repeat what others have already said. I have said this before–just because you commenters feel that if you repeat your lies over and over that this makes your repetitions true, it doesn’t make them true and I am not obligated to post and re-post the same tired falsehoods after I have already shown how untrue they are. So you should stop wasting your time with vain repetitions.
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I love people like Harryagaylord who are so cought up in who sent the message (word) of God. Was it Jesus, Krishna, Mohammad, Buhda…so worried about who the messanger is. However, did you get the message? Do you even know what it is? There is a universal message in all religion that is very simple:
1) There is one God, doesnt matter if its everything or nothing or has a name or not….THERE IS GOD!
2) Do on to others as you would have them do onto you, call it the golden rule or karma its all the same.
3) Love God and fear God.
4) Love one another…this is also universial yes this includes the Muslim faith as well!
Stop over thinking and trying to find differences, look for simularities, you may be surprised that there are quite a few, I just pointed out some to you. COEXIST- live and let live.
I am Hindu and my wife is Christian. We love each other, pray together, I got to church with her and she attends temple with me. We are happy because we look past the political b*****t.
Live this life and stop worrying about what comes after death. Just give thanks to God, who or whatever that is in your mind.
God bless,
Vince Sharma
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Vince, you’ve just shown how deceived you are with your comment. Anyone who knows the facts as I’ve clearly pointed them out in my post, can see clearly that the Hindu scriptures and the Bible DON’T teach the same thing. You’re proof that what the Bible says is true–“the way of a fool is right in his own eyes” Proverbs 12:15. You and your wife aren’t the measuring sticks of the universe, so if your beliefs aren’t in agreement with the Bible, which is the real measuring stick, then you are in for a rude awakening if you don’t repent of your idolatry.”Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Jesus Christ is the only one who saves people from their sin. Period.
Your Hindu scriptures don’t stand up to scrutiny–whether it’s historical scrutiny, scientific scrutiny, or spiritual scrutiny. The Bible, on the other hand, is impeccable and infallible as I’ve pointed out here time after time. And Karma is not even close to being the golden rule. The huge difference between the two is that karma says you will be reincarnated as a lesser life form if you offend the gods or offend an important person like a guru but it doesn’t really care if you look down on people at the bottom of the caste system. The golden rule teaches that you treat everyone as you would like to be treated. If you want someone to warn you when you are on the wrong path so you can change to the right path, then once you’re on the right path you should warn others you see on the wrong path so they can have the same opportunity as you to get on the right path. The golden rule is about treating all people fairly regardless of skin color, ethnic group, or socioeconomic status. That does not hold true for karma. So once again your deception is brought to light by your misconceptions.
The Bible teaches to “Put away from thee a froward [deviant, deceitful] mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee,” Proverbs 4:24, but here you are using foul language to get your point across. If your religion were the same as mine, you wouldn’t be using such language.
And, finally, I’m not the least bit worried about what comes after death because my ticket to heaven has already been validated by the blood of my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, who is the only way to heaven. It’s you who should be worried, which is why I pray you will see the truth and get saved before it’s too late.
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Harry,
Why do you sound so bitter? I never claimed that my relationship was the measuring stick for the entire universe. I was simply sharing my experience since I cant speak for others.
I am not going to try to argue with you about how Hinduism and Christianity have some of the same messages since you are obviously a biased and closed minded person. However, I will tell you that your observation of Hinduism is wrong and if you REALLY want to find the truth about Hinduism and its teachings then look at it with unbiased and open view.
By the way, the word “B******t” was not used to make my point. It was simply to underline my frustration with how people use religion in political/social agendas. I was referring to racists people who had a problem with my relationship with my wife and were trying to use religion at their own convenience to undermine us.
I am glad that you find peace in what you believe in. The point of my post was to loosen up a bit. Life is short, enjoy it. It is a blessing. God gave us ability to make our own decisions. You made yours, I made mine, and others will make their own. Just dont spread lies or bias opinions of other religions just to make your own beliefs more valid.
Vince.
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I’m hardly bitter, Vince. You’re the one who dropped by to leave your comments to attack me when I’ve presented the facts. So, really, who’s bitter? You told me in your last comment to stop overthinking and learn to coexist with the teachings of other religions, then used you & your wife as an example of how I should be, so yes you were using that as a universal measuring stick.
You claim you aren’t going to try to argue with me, but that’s exactly what you’re doing with your comments. So you’re contradicting yourself. Yes, I’m biased. When one discovers the truth, there’s no need to keep one’s mind open to other possibilities since they can only be false. For example, when it was proven to me in school the Pythagorean theorem [a2 + b2 = c2] gives me the hypotenuse for a right triangle, it then became no longer necessary for me to consider any other equation to find the hypotenuse. Is that being close-minded? Hardly. When one weighs all the facts about what the Bible presents, it’s facts are even more sound than the Pythagorean theorem because it proves beneficial for all areas of life.
You DID use profanity to make your point so why deny it now? And don’t even try to play the race card with me pertaining to your religion or relationship with your wife. It’s not about race, it’s about what is spiritually true. That’s not being racist. So I’m not in the category of the people you’ve supposedly encountered. Funny how people such as yourself, when the truth is presented, try to blame those who don’t agree with your false religion as being racist and full of hatred to falsely place them in a bad light as if that justifies your false beliefs. It’s actually you who are full of hatred. You hate the God of the Bible and you hate the truth as well as those who represent the truth. Your comments prove that.
You tell me “loosen up, life is short, enjoy it,” but you don’t know me personally to pass such a judgment. This post is only one microcosm of my life. Not only that but your comments are like the ones in Isaiah 22 of those who resisted God. When God called them to a day of humility and repentance for their sins, they wanted to party hardy when they responded “let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die,” [Isaiah 22:12-13]. So today, if you will hear God’s voice, harden not your heart.
You claim I’m spreading lies & biased opinions about false religions such as yours, but I heavily quote from Hindu scripture to show what they teach. So if you think I’m lying when all I’ve done is pointed people directly to Hindu scripture, what does that really say about your religion?
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Thanks Harryagaylord!
Great work!!!
I have one more comparison: Christianity is simple and Hinduism is much more complex.
I was Hindu and I am saved long time ago. Many Hindus are living in dark and you are trying your best to bring them to light for so many years!!! God bless you!!!
Most of the human beings think from their own angle and not third party point of view. For eg. Indians think they are the best race, Chinese think they are the best race, Caucasians think they are the best race, Christians think they are the best religion, Muslims think they are the best religion, Hindus think they are the best religion etc… They have to see from third point of view and don’t think that they belong to particular race or religion and everything will be clear.
It is everyone’s personal choice and thanks a lot for giving facts. I will use them to save my family tree and friends; and bring them to light, make them productive and full of love for God and fellow humans.
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I’m glad you have been blessed and informed, Manish.
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What about the believe of Earth being the centre of the whole Universe???
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Just one thing. You demeaning another religion shows how insecure you are about your own faith. Let Christianity be the best religion in the world. The fact that you have to put down another religion to make your religion look better, is just SAD. Really. I really respect Christianity, even though I am not a practicing Christian. Live and let live. That’s only fair. Stop shoving your beliefs and false accusations down everyone’s throat.
With all due respect,
A human being who loves everyone.
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Anonymous,
When you have good, solid facts like the ones I presented in this post and in my comments, it’s not a sign of insecurity, it’s proof that I have complete confidence in what I’ve said. The fact that the Bible and Christianity are based on scientific, historical, and spiritual facts means that I am under obligation to our Creator to share those facts with people who are ignorant of the facts. Being ignorant of the facts means their lives are in danger and that they are on a sinking ship like the Titanic.
If I were to be like the captain of the cruise ship that sank a few weeks ago off the coast of Italy that jumped ship without telling anyone they were in danger, that would be SAD. Telling people they are following the wrong path shows that I care enough to level with them and that I’m not some coward who’s afraid to confront their incorrect premises. In the end it’s about loving someone enough to tell them what’s best even when they don’t want to hear it.
It’s amusing how those of you who object to the objective truths that I’ve presented repeatedly accuse me of forcing my beliefs on others. You keep using the same distorted, untruthful arguments that are easily disproven. I mentioned in this previous comment and this previous comment that no one is being forced to read my blog at gunpoint. People come here of their own free will and read this post of their own free will. Exercising one’s freedom of speech by sharing facts is not shoving beliefs down anyone’s throats. Making factual, easily proven statements is not falsely accusing Hinduism of anything. My statements are true and I’ve given chapter and verse on where the deceptions of Hinduism can be found within Hinduism’s scriptures. For you to come here and argue against the clear facts shows you are the one who is insecure and you feel threatened by someone like me who is willing to state truths that make you feel uncomfortable with the false beliefs that you embrace.
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Wrong presumptions…..too many mistakes right in the beginning…
1. so called Aryan Invasion theory is false propaganda of christian pseudo-intellectuals during British times done to denigrate Hinduism in the words of Max Mueller himself in his letters to his wife…its merely a linguistic theory or hypothesis without ANY real archaeological evidence of nay sort
2. Religion is defined by its texts and not by its claimed to be followers…
1. I understand you presume the truth of your religion…and presume it has some so called evidences.
2. There are more number of different sects and interpretations in Hinduism, unlike xianity which killed of its heretic branches.
I do not see any point here. There is no reason to accept one claim over other as truth based on what you have said. However, the reincarnation makes clear sense than mere one birth hypothesis, especially when this so called yeah-way of yours creates everything out of nothing (creation ex-nihilo). It is illogical to believe in a god who punishes his own creation….for this god punishes his creation for the faults which exists in his own creation for which only this god can be responsible. Creation of a perfect god must do exactly what this god intended his creation to do…
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Rk,
Your criticism that I’m using wrong presumptions isn’t a proven fact. The Aryan invasion theory was not thrown out by Max Mueller and your belief that it was false propaganda by the British isn’t a proven fact. Here’s what Max Mueller said toward the end of his life in one of his final writings– “Aryas are those who speak Aryan languages, whatever their colour, whatever their blood. In calling them Aryas we predicate nothing of them except that the grammar of their language is Aryan. . . . I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood, nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language. The same applies to Hindus, Greeks, Romans, Germans, Celts, and Slays. When I speak of these I commit myself to no anatomical characteristics. The blue-eyed and fair-haired Scandinavians may have been conquerors or conquered, they may have adopted the language of their darker lords or their subjects, or vice versa. I assert nothing beyond their language when I call them Hindus, Greeks, Romans, Germans, Celts, and Slays, and in that sense, and in that sense only, do I say that even the blackest Hindus represent an earlier stage of Aryan speech and thought than the fairest Scandinavians. . . . To me an ethnologist who speaks of an Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar.” [Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, pp. 120 & 245]. The 2005 findings of the Indian Genome Variation Consortium shows that the northern people of India’s genes can be traced back to Caucasians.
“There are no written or inscribed records, or even native traditions, of this historic migration [of Aryans to India], but we are able to follow vaguely, from the references found in religious compositions, the gradual conquest of northern India, which covered a period of several centuries,” [Donald A. MacKenzie. Indian Myth and Legend. The Gresham Publishing Company Limited. 1913. p. xviii]. There is evidence of the Aryan conquests, but not of the migration of Aryans that preceded the conquests. Furthermore, “[c]ertain of the Aryan gods still receive recognition in India after a lapse of over three thousand years,” including Indra, god of thunder (i.e. Thor), and Agni, god of fire (i.e. Heimdal), which has been confirmed via archaeological discoveries [Indian Myth and Legend, pp. xviii, xxxi, xlv]. Therefore, my statement that Aryan beliefs were mixed with indigenous Indian beliefs is completely accurate. Hinduism is defined by its texts AND its followers.
[…you presume the truth of your religion…and presume it has some so called evidences.]
I don’t presume, I know it’s true and the evidence backing it is proven & trustworthy. It has an accurate historical record written at the time when the historical people it mentions actually existed and did what the Bible says they did. For example, it mentions Persian King Cyrus ordered the building of a new temple in Jerusalem and helped fund it. History outside of the Bible backs this up. The Bible also has numerous scientific statements it made long before science made the discoveries to match what it said. Then there’s the matter of hundreds of spiritual prophecies it makes that have been fulfilled. So the fact that the Bible is backed by facts is indisputable. And the fact you dismiss the facts shows that you embrace ignorance.
[There are more number of different sects and interpretations in Hinduism, unlike xianity which killed of its heretic branches]
Where’s your proof that Christianity killed off any heretic branches? You’re speaking from what you wish were true because you wish to have anything to grab on to in order to justify your hatred of Christianity & its Christians. There are still heretics in the Christian world–those who claim Christianity but don’t follow true Christianity. That would include the Watchtower Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses), Mormonism, Catholicism, the Hebrew Israelites, and many more.
[There is no reason to accept one claim over other…based on what you have said]
That’s just your unfounded opinion based on your ignoring the facts I’ve presented in my post and in my comments. The Bible is true historically, scientifically, and spiritually and I’ve provided the evidence to back up my claims. Hinduism can’t match the Bible’s record. Reincarnation has no evidence to back it up whatsoever. No evidence exists showing that one life form can come back as a totally different life form after it dies. No evidence exists that one person who dies can come back as a completely different individual. However, there is documented evidence that resurrection happens where people who die come back from the dead as the same person. The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is also backed by evidence.
I also find it amusing in this day and age that you mock the fact that God created everything out of nothing since it’s now proven scientific fact that the universe was formed suddenly from nothing. For you to cling to the Steady State Theory which Hinduism teaches, believing the universe has been here from eternity, is to blatantly ignore the facts.
As far as God punishing his creation is concerned, your argument in hypocritical nonsense. You attempt to criticize God for not creating robots, but ignore the fact that robots are flawed in that they don’t have critical thinking capabilities or deductive reasoning. God did not create any faults or flaws. His creation was perfect and that perfection allowed the free will to choose what is right or wrong. You criticize God for allowing people to have a choice, calling that a flaw. But if you were to live under a system where you had someone in power over you that would not allow you to make your own choices, you would criticize that system as unjust and flawed. You criticize God for punishing his creation for making wrong choices, but if you lived in a society where people were allowed to get away with wrong choices, especially if those choices harmed you, you would cry out that such a society would be unjust. According to you, “Creation of a perfect god must do exactly what this god intended his creation to do.” But since you’re not perfect yourself, how would YOU know what a perfect god would do? You don’t know enough about the universe to draw such a conclusion. And since you’re enjoying the capability to argue what you believe is right and against what you believe is wrong, God must not be all that bad since you’re able to do it because he created you with that capability.
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You seem another religious extremist having no respect for other religions.
Do read ‘The God Delusion – Richard Dawkins’ and know more about Christianity, Bible and Jesus.
P.S. – Read the book without switching off your brain as you did while reading Bible.
Don’t be extremist and don’t spread extremism.
Live and Let Live..!!
Cheers !!
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Dawkins’ book isn’t based on fact but his unfounded opinions. It’s called God Delusion based on his own delusions about the one true God.
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how can u people fight over FAITH!!!!!!!!!!! its supposed to come naturally to u.i might believe in something…u believe in something else.nobody was there when your religion was being born.for “god”‘s sake,people,all religious scriptures have been altered and modified over the years.every religion has its dark side and good side.lets not fight over it.lets practice our own religions and respect all that is good about others’ religions.laugh and be happy…..life is short!!
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@rubiya,
[how can u people fight over FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!]
So your contention is that we should not have contentions. Your argument is we should not argue. As I’ve pointed out in your statement, everyone is arguing for something, including you. But Christians are commanded, “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend [argue] for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints,” [Jude 1:3].
[its supposed to come naturally to u]
You’re assuming what comes natural is good because humans are inherently good. That isn’t the case. “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned,” [1 Corinthians 2:14]. “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” [Jeremiah 17:9]. Since we are basically evil, we can be deceived, that’s why we need God’s truth which is only found in the Bible.
[i might believe in something…u believe in something else]
We all have the freedom to choose our religion, but you imply there is no absolute truth. That can’t be true since the idea of “no absolute truth” is contradictory because it claims to be absolutely true.
[nobody was there when your religion was being born]
True. Nobody alive today was there when Hinduism or the worship of Jehovah began. But we can tell who is really telling the truth based on the evidence. And the overwhelming evidence is in favor of the Bible over Hindu scriptures since we have archaeology, historical facts, scientific fact, fulfilled prophecies, and the fact people’s hearts have been changed by Jesus from doing evil to doing genuine good.
[all religious scriptures have been altered and modified over the years.]
There is one set of scriptures that have been proven to have never been altered. When examined under a microscope, it has been shown the family of manuscripts known as the Textus Receptus shows no erasures or additions or alterations or scratch-outs. Those manuscripts are what the King James Version are translated from. Even though the KJV has been updated to change the fonts, the meaning of what it says has never changed. Hindu scriptures can’t claim that. The Koran can’t claim that. Buddhist scriptures can’t claim that.
[every religion has its dark side and good side]
It’s true there are people who do evil stuff claiming to be Christian, or claiming to be Jewish, or who claim to be Hindu, etc., but the Bible tells us in several instances that we can tell who is really Christian & who really isn’t based on their habits & continual lifestyle. “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth,” 1 John 1:6; “He that saith, I know him [Christ], and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him,” 1 John 2:4-5; “We know that we have passed from death unto life [in Christ], because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him,” 1 John 3:14-15. Those are just a few examples.
Genuine Christianity has no dark side–“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all,” 1 John 1:5.
So as long as there are lies, evil, and false religions or philosophies, I as a Christian will argue over faith.
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Some of these arent true about Hindus
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Right, nesha. And we’re just supposed to take your word for it without you listing examples & sources like I did.
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I’m probably super late to this blog, but just wanted to say some thing here. I am not against any of the religions being discussed here but I feel like both the sides are approaching their arguments without much knowledge of the other religion. We can all believe in our own religion and grant ourselves the right to hate but that doesn’t help any of us convince the other person of the truth of our religion.
I guess we need to decide if we are here to act on pride and prove ourselves better than the others or if we are here to show our friends the path we take and offer to guide them in that direction.
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Thank Harry again for your excellent efforts. I was Hindu and saved long time ago. In my Church, there is an equation when we talk to nonbelievers: Truth + Rude = False. So, please try to argue in lovingly way. Our church converts many nonbelievers.
In India, people think “Truth is bitter” also which is wrong. Truth should save them and it is not bitter.
I am not so intelligent like you yet. I am giving just my opinion and wants to help you. If you think that I am wrong. Please go ahead and delete my comment. Thanks.
God bless you, give you peace & power always! Amen!
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Manish, I’m so glad your walk with Christ continues to bear fruit and that many are being converted. I would beg to differ on the idea that I’m being rude or that truth + rude = false. Here’s a heated exchange our Lord had with the Pharisees. Do you think the sinless Savior was rude?–
And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? …Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them. Luke 11
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Thanks Harry for your comment. Our Church DNA is “Love God, Love People”. It is from Matthew 22:36-40. My church name is “City Harvest Church”, Singapore.
Most of the Asian religions teach people to Love God and their family but not general people fervently. However, Jesus teaches us to Love God, Love People. I think the context may be different in Luke 11. You may be right but I want to stick on my Church’s DNA. When I love people, I do more charity, willing to die for needy and forgive people. In turn, I get more blessings, comfort and peace in my heart. Of course, I love Jesus first and pray to him almost all the time.
God bless you and thanks a lot!!!
PS: You may delete my comment if you want. God bless you!
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Have you considered a career in Fox News? Cause they would love you!
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Hope,
Someone like me wouldn’t be welcome at Fox since they are pro-Catholic ecumenists in favor of some gay rights moves.
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Thank you mr. Harryagaylord to give us this good information about in false religion.
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John, I’m glad you found the information helpful.
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Hinduism is full of contradiction. They commit a lot of fallacies in their belief system.
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@Njoku:
Don’t blame your intellectual weakness on Hinduism. Just because you are not capable of understanding it doesn’t mean its full of contradictions. And I am sure you don’t follow all the rules and regulations of whatever religion you practice, Do you?
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To all non-hindus….
Hindus advocate the practice of ahiṃsā (non-violence) and respect for all life because divinity is believed to permeate all beings, including plants and non-human animals.
This you will never find in any other religion.
Better you go to hinduism in wikipedia to know more about hinduism…
Namaste
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Your glossed over version of Hinduism just doesn’t ring true when Hindus regularly attack people of other faiths in India & Nepal.
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I’m a fifteen year old Hindu by my parents wish, I say this because like many have I have sinned and have followed a religion blindly. After studying the bible shortly, I am intrigued by what I’ve learned. My question for you is how can I explain to my parents that I would like to switch my religion to Christianity?
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Paul, if you shall confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and you believe in your heart God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. You automatically become a Christian by believing in Jesus. It’s not a matter of asking any human’s permission since it’s your personal relationship with our Creator. If you have already done this, continue to read the Bible and pray to the Lord. The Holy Spirit will let you know when the right time is to tell your parents. Some parents don’t get too concerned when their kids follow a different religion while others get so upset they disown them. Ask God for wisdom on how you should handle it and he will direct you.
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You my friend are a rascist, ignorant and ultimatley weak person. Just remember your false slander and intolorance of others when you ultimitatley die and meet your fate whatever that may be.
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Dear Mr. Harry Gaylord,
I agree with the person above.. you my friend; are indeed a Racist and ignorant person when comes to religion. I was born Hindu, did my schooling in a Catholic School and have a Methodist Boyfriend. I BELIEVE in JESUS as much as i BELIEVE in the FACT that JESUS in fact is a form of KRISHNA (THE ULTIMATE GOD of the Universe) I wouldn’t say “Hindu God – Krishna” because He’s beyond the realms of religion. Also, as far as Hinduism is concerned, We are MORE open minded people when it comes to accepting people of other faiths and religion. A Christian is never EVER BANISHED from entering a Hindu Temple. ON THE OTHER HAND I WAS THROWN OUT OF A CHURCH AS A CHILD COZ I WAS BORN HINDU (Although I believe in JESUS) What do you have to say about this? Also HINDUISM ACCEPTS HOMOSEXUALITY.. its in the scriptures; however you Christians do not..What about that? Being a gay guy myself… and born a Hindu I find myself lucky to have grown up with such an open mind about EVERY RELIGION.. I RESPECT every religion and Hinduism preaches that all religions are equal…
Good Day
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Shay,
Being against sin is not the equivalent of being racist. Hinduism has nothing to do with race, but it has everything to do with lies that are taught & promoted as truth when those lies do not stand up to spiritual, historical, or scientific scrutiny. So you need to play the race card elsewhere because it doesn’t apply.
Hindus claim to be open minded, but they aren’t. When you on one hand say you accept all religions as true & you respect all religions, then that means you should accept it when I declare boldly that genuine Christianity shows that Hinduism is bunk & complete folderol. After all, since when does a turtle or elephant or a boar with tusks hold up the Earth? Since when are celestial bodies like planets and stars and the universe made from the body parts of a human-like god? Those are things Hinduism teaches. But the fact you claim to accept all religions as valid, yet on the other hand claim my religion is not, makes your statement a self-contradiction. Your statement violates the self-evident law of non-contradiction which states that a statement cannot be both true and not true at the same time when used in the same context.
You’re not really open-minded, like you profess, since you reject the truth since it doesn’t fit into what you believe. There’s nothing wrong with closing your mind when you have the right answer. When I know that 2 + 2 = 4, then I don’t have to keep my mind open to any other possibilities. When the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, then research backs it up to show that homosexual practices are directly tied to poor health and bad habits, I don’t need to question whether or not it’s a sin.
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Dear Harry,
First of all I am not trying to fight here or something I joined this group or whatever just because I am trying to understand all religions and the views of different people. Okay I respect your views about Christianity and I understand that being born and raised as one; its natural to feel a sense of pride and affinity towards it. That’s completely understandable. BUT looking down on some other religions saying it hypothetical or base-less is ; I think; that’s not right. Now, If you stress the point that Christianity shows that other religions (Hinduism) are bogus then you certainly are not interpreting the message of Bible/Christ. (Christ always preached- Acceptance, Tolerance and Love) Do not forget that Bible IS A MAN MADE OBJECT, it didn’t drop from Heaven so– It is subjected to the views of a MAN not GOD..Hinduism is subjective which represents itself in form of stories and fables. Where did you read that planets and stars are made from body parts of “Human like-Hindu Gods” ?(Just curious coz I havent heard that til now) Wasn’t Jesus “Human like” as well? 😛 Also I thought it was only Jesus who gave bread to his apostles saying its my body and wine saying this is my blood? We don’t have anything in Hinduism that depicts that we consumed something that was a part of Hindu Gods? Harry, I am confused.. when you said that in Hinduism lies are promoted as truth… M really confused.. could you explain an instance (or instances) where you came across such a piece of info? (Maybe you think that those are lies because you don’t agree with it.. right? I m not saying that you are wrong or you are not entitled to your opinions but the fact that you pin point that some one is preaching lies (just because it doesn’t fit into your realm of understanding) .. Thats wrong. Let me know about where you read and any examples where you thought lies were promoted.
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Shay/Anonymous,
If one’s opinion goes against what God says in the Bible, one’s opinion is worthless since God’s word lasts forever. If a religion teaches lies & they can be proven to be lies, then I am not obligated to have any regard for that religion.
[Christ always preached- Acceptance, Tolerance and Love]
You obviously don’t know what the Bible says because this is complete nonsense made up by those who despise genuine Christianity. When Peter rebuked the Lord Jesus for saying he would die by crucifixion, Jesus said “Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men,” Matthew 16. Jesus said to the religious leaders in Matthew 23 “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.” Now if he was so accepting & tolerant as you claim, why would he say those things?
Jesus wasn’t tolerant of people’s lies & evil. That was what his genuine love was about. Speaking the truth even when people didn’t want to hear they were wrong, with the hope they would repent & get right with God. The Christ you’re talking about is a false Christ made up by you so you can make excuses not to get rid of your sin.
[Bible IS A MAN MADE OBJECT, it didn’t drop from Heaven so– It is subjected to the views of a MAN not GOD.]
The Bible is, in fact, words that God told men to write down so man could never have excuses like the ones you have for not throwing off your idolatry. It was given by God’s Holy Spirit, so in a sense it did drop from heaven spiritually as proven by all the prophecies it predicted that have been fulfilled. Your Hinduism can’t boast of such a record.
Jesus Christ said in John 14 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things” so understanding the Bible is subjected to God the Holy Ghost’s views, not man’s. “For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding” about true spirituality and what the Bible says [Proverbs 2:6]. There are many other scriptures that say how God is the one who helps us understand what we should know about his word. You don’t care for the Bible because, as it says in Titus 1, “unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled,” so your unbelieving defiled mind sees everything as impure, including the Bible and your own body. That’s why you choose to be gay.
[ Where did you read that planets and stars are made from body parts of “Human like-Hindu Gods” ?]
I didn’t say body parts of “gods” but body parts of a “god.” So it seems I’ve read more than you have about the religion you claim to follow. In the Rigveda, it says the god Purusha’s (Purusa’s) body parts were used to make earth, the moon, the stars, the rest of the universe, and all creatures on earth.
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Dear Harry,
“Being against sin is not being against race” What sin are you exactly referring to? Can you explain coz m confused (I was born and brought up in San Francisco so I am American although my roots are Indian.. just so you know)
Secondly : you said “Lies are promoted as Truth” May I know what lies did YOU come across ? (If something doesn’t fit into your realm of understanding; that doesn’t make it a lie)
Thirdly if you say that Christianity claims that Hinduism is bogus; then; you have the wrong ideas about whats taught by the Bible. (Jesus taught Love, Acceptance and Tolerance not Criticism)
Fourth :Where did you read that celestial bodies are made up of Human like Hindu Gods? (Coz I haven’t heard that til now..n I would like to know that.. n As far as I know Jesus was also in a “Human” form):P
Fifth: Bible says Homosexuality is a sin (Bible- Man compiled book NOT WRITTEN BY GOD HIMSELF… Again– Jesus taught Love, Acceptance and Tolerance not Hatred ) However Hinduism says homosexuality is one of the fact existing in nature which is the truth, There is nothing wrong with it.
Let me know about these things…
I am not here to fight.. I am just trying to understand peoples’ point of view about religion.
P.S Me and my boyfriend are both religious. Although he is a Christian I haven’t heard him criticize any other religion for once. In fact he said he respects them all. I guess it depends on person to person how he molds himself and how he thinks.
Also I am not close minded. As I said earlier I Believe in Jesus and I know he exists and I respect him as much I believe and respect Allah Krishna or other religion. Because I believe that God is ONE POWER its humans who have separated it in various forms.
Peace.
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@Shay,
[What sin are you exactly referring to?]
The sin of idolatry. Putting other gods like the gods of Hinduism before and beside the only true God, Jehovah in the Bible, as if they’re equal. And the sin of fornication–having sex outside of marriage. And by marriage, I mean only valid marriage between a man & a woman which was created by Jehovah.
[Jesus taught Love, Acceptance and Tolerance not Criticism]
I already showed this isn’t true in my previous answer to your previous comment.
[Hinduism says homosexuality is one of the fact existing in nature which is the truth, There is nothing wrong with it.]
Hinduism also promotes beating women and bestiality, but that doesn’t make them right. Hinduism was started by men who wanted to promote sin and it’s continued by men who want to promote sin. Christianity is the only one that says, “you’re all sinners and you need to get right with God and the only way to do that is through the Lord Jesus Christ, the sinless sacrifice who died for your sins.” Every other religion gives the “I’m okay, you’re okay so sin as much as you want” false message.
The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 6, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” The Bible, God’s word, will stand forever and all of us will stand before God to be judged based on what his word says.
Since the effeminate and “abusers of themselves with mankind,” [i.e. homosexuals] will not inherit the kingdom of God, this means that if you & your boyfriend continue in this sin, you will not be accepted into heaven. You will, of your own choice, be sent to hell forever. Is that what you really want? A few fleeting moments of what you think is fun that will cause you to end up in a place of torment when your life ends? Genuine love is when you tell people inconvenient truths like I’ve told you because I love you enough to tell you there’s trouble ahead for you if you don’t change the course of your life.
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And Harry, You dont love me…. You hate me :
1. Coz I am Non Christian
2. I am gay.
Isn;t that true?
PS: What nationality are you and where are you from anyways? Some where mid east (Montana, ArKansas, Kansas, Oklahoma…?)
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@Shay,
If you’re looking for a way to justify your own hatred for me, I won’t give you the satisfaction. I posted this subject for the simple reason that I hoped Hindus would read it and come to the knowledge of the truth for the saving of their lost souls. I did it out of love. You, on the other hand, came here accusing me of being a racist because my views don’t match yours & because you were looking for a way to tell yourself, “Yeah, I hate Christians who believe in the Bible so I’ll make accusations so I can feel good about the hate I have for them.”
I don’t hate non-Christians because I was once non-Christian myself. Jesus died for all of us out of love so why hate who God loves? And my nationality is irrelevant to the topic. People get hung up on what others look like. That’s why my picture isn’t anywhere on this blog.
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Harry,
I dont hate you or any person from any religious background. As I said earlier, I believe in Jesus and I respect the fact that he died for the sins of the mankind. I pray to him. The only fact I didn’t like was that you were bad mouthing Hinduism. See Harry, you, or anyone for that matter are free to choose their religion and believe in someone in their own way. If you follow a certain religion you cant judge people from other religion saying its wrong or thats bogus…. Thats not done.. ! No..!! Whenever I have discussions like this with my friends i keep on stressing the point that “RELIGION IS A VERY PERSONAL THING– interpreted in one’s own way..”
iTs just like when you read a novel you create your own picture inside your head … which could be totally different from the picture i have in my mind after i read the same book… It doesn;t mean your imagination is right or mine is wrong ! It depends on person to person. If personal religious beliefs are made public or the views are imposed upon other people it is BOUND TO create arguments and fights. and thats what people dont understand (I am not talking about you– people all over the world in general) So many people have been killed for centuries- over the question “Who is God? and who is not” which needs to be stopped. Following a religion of one’s desire or praying to a particular God is personal choice and there’s nothing “Right God or Wrong God” GOD IS GOD.. the ultimate source of power and knowledge.
its just like some people like coffee and some people like tea. There’s nothing right and wrong in that… the aim of the beverage is to freshen up who ever drinks it.. I hope it makes sense to you what I am trying to say here ..(Again I am not trying to accuse you… Just trying to make you understand that it doesn’t matter who a person believes in.. what matters is what kind of person he is… and you should NEVER tell people that their religion is inferior and your is superior… RELIGION IS RELIGION… Did you create all the religions in the world that you have knowledge about which one is better? no- you did not..
its just like an engineer who creates 5 laptops of different kinds. ONLY HE has the knowledge that which model is better to other because he created it So he can pass the judgement in front of the world saying “I know this laptop is superior to that and this one is inferior because i created all 5 and i have detail knowledge about all 5 “.. you did not create any religion so you cannot say about who’s superior or better (based on few things you know). I am happy you are a Christian, I AM HAPPY THAT YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST .. I BELIEVE IN HIM TOO.. but Please dont bad mouth Hinduism or any other religion for that matter. (because you were not comfortable following it) you are just hurting other peoples feelings that’s it. Again I am not trying to fight here.. just so you know.
Thank you and may peace be with you.
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@Shay,
[See Harry, you, or anyone for that matter are free to choose their religion and believe in someone in their own way. If you follow a certain religion you cant judge people from other religion saying its wrong or thats bogus…. Thats not done]
But you just did it. You judged me for choosing to believe that all religions apart from Christianity are wrong. In doing so you just contradicted yourself like you’ve done in your other comments. If you really believed that people can “believe in someone in their own way,” and I choose to believe what I do regarding Christianity and choose to believe that Hinduism is false, then why are you jumping on my case about doing exactly what you said is okay for people to do? Since your statement contradicts itself, that means it isn’t true.
[iTs just like when you read a novel you create your own picture inside your head]
The Bible isn’t a novel. It’s a factual account of true spiritual, historical, and scientific facts that can be (and have been) proven.
[So many people have been killed for centuries- over the question “Who is God? and who is not” which needs to be stopped.]
That’s right. But it’s not the Bible’s fault or God’s fault. It’s the fault of wicked men who refuse to believe in the God of the Bible. And my post has nothing to do with murdering people or encouraging it. I share facts to get people to see where their views are incorrect or correct based on what the 100% truth of the Bible says.
[Following a religion of one’s desire or praying to a particular God is personal choice and there’s nothing “Right God or Wrong God” GOD IS GOD]
Once again you contradict yourself. If there’s no right god or wrong god, but my God says yours is the wrong god, who’s right? If your statement is true, then you should not criticize me when my God says yours is wrong, since there is no right or wrong. See how ridiculous & untrue your statement is? And you don’t even follow it or believe it yourself. If you did, you wouldn’t be arguing with me to tell me I’m wrong.
[its just like some people like coffee and some people like tea. There’s nothing right and wrong in that]
Choosing what god to worship & what system of beliefs to follow is hardly like choosing coffee or tea. Belief systems have consequences. Belief systems influence how people conduct their lives. If a belief system tells me it’s okay to murder people for burning my holy book and I murder someone for doing just that, it will have a negative affect on everyone involved. Your statement would not even be true under the false religion of Hinduism. Hinduism teaches that if you make wrong choices, when you are reincarnated you will pay the price.
[you should NEVER tell people that their religion is inferior and your is superior]
By leaving your comments and attempting to scold me, that is what you are essentially doing to me. You’re telling me my religion is inferior because I’m criticizing Hinduism and superior religions like yours don’t criticize other religions. You contradicted yourself again.
[you did not create any religion so you cannot say about who’s superior or better (based on few things you know).]
Whether or not someone has created a religion has nothing to do about determining which one is better. Faith based on facts determines which is better. When a religion promotes lies like the ones I’ve pointed out about Hinduism, then to base one’s life on such lies and harmful practices will not lead to anything good. And I’ve pointed out plenty of Hinduism’s lies in several of my comments above. The Bible has been proven to be true several times over in its historical facts, in its scientific statements, and in its spiritual facts that can be seen in changed lives all over the world. Drunkards & drug addicts become sober. Murderers transform into preservers of human life. Adulterers learn to become faithful spouses. And the list goes on. Hinduism does not have such a factual record. Therefore, it cannot be equal to the superiority of Christianity.
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Wow you are like a child who fights for a lollipop.. Dude, I never criticized Christianity saying its inferior.. All my views and comments are reply to “your” views against Hinduism. Just because You said some stuff about Hinduism, I replied it with my views. After all I am not the one posting stuff claiming one particular religion is better than other on the internet. My opinions are just my reactions to what you claim to believe. Not for once I said that Christianity is base less or bogus… In fact I did say that I believe in Christ and Christianity. (the fact that I am Hindu and my boyfriend is Christian is a proof that I respect other religions– Would you marry/be in a relationship with a non Christian,, I dont think so) My comments about the religion were just reactions to what you said. So don’t go there with me buddy.
[“and I choose to believe what I do regarding Christianity and choose to believe that Hinduism is false”]- these are your words….
You think that- fine you are entitled to your opinion, I don’t care what you believe and which religion you practice.. i really dont… but i care when you “Claim in public over the internet” that Hinduism is wrong… ok… u have no right to present your views on a religion you do not belong to… but don’t go around with a propaganda about your views which are detrimental to people out of Christianity. (you are such a child- grow up; people like you with big fat mouth are the reason for the crusades happened over the time and I mean it.. People like you are the reason.. who go on doing stuff which is against other peoples’ believes; which results in clashes in society.)
About that novel thing.. It was a metaphor.. like really; …
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@Shay,
I showed the flaws so clearly in your arguments that you now insult me as being a child. That’s really classic. You should’ve quit while you were ahead. Your words were complete nonsense. I guess I can understand why you’d be so upset and coming back to insult me more for speaking the truth. As they say, the truth hurts.
[the fact that I am Hindu and my boyfriend is Christian is a proof that I respect other religions]
Your boyfriend, if he were a genuine Christian, wouldn’t be involved in a homosexual relationship, according to the Bible. So you & your boyfriend really don’t have any regard for Christianity, just for false religion dressed up to look like real Christianity. People like you always love to talk about the Crusades as if you know their history when you don’t. I’ve already shined light on the Crusades in my post “ungodly crusaders.”
[ All my views and comments are reply to “your” views against Hinduism.]
And in your replies, you asserted and promoted your own religious views against my religious views and contradicted yourself so obviously as I clearly pointed out.
[People like you are the reason.. who go on doing stuff which is against other peoples’ believes; which results in clashes in society]
You wish. In Nepal & India where Hinduism reigns, Hindus often go on the attack against Christians without provocation and make false accusations against them to justify their attacks. Get your facts straight. And you call me the child?
No matter how much you argue, you can’t change the fact that Hindu scripture is full of scientific and spiritual errors as I have pointed out whereas the Bible has been backed by sources outside it that prove it’s historical, scientific, and spiritual truths. And here’s what the Bible says, “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens,” Jeremiah 10:11. That includes the false gods of your Hinduism. Krishna isn’t Christ “…Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved,” Acts 4:12. Only the name of the Lord Jesus Christ brings salvation, not Krishna’s or any other Hindu god’s name.
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You Christians are confused yourself.. you dont have the authority to question me or my relationship… ok.. Why do you Christians quarrel over whether Jesus was the son of God? Or a man ? L.. O… L….. Answer me that…???? hahaha? You guys urself do not know about your own God? and you point to Other religions… you are pathetic..
Also why do you guys quarrel over was Jesus really married ? and you say that Hinduism looks down on women… haha.. you Christians are yourself confused about your God and his History… so… zip it… News about Pope being a pedophile…. hahaha.. Hypocrites
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Shay,
Once again you have shown that you’re not aware of what’s really going on. The questions you’ve raised about why Christians quarrel over the things you’ve mentioned are, in fact, the arguments that unbelievers use to attack Christianity. True Christians don’t question the fact that Jesus is both God and man. It’s unbelievers who claim Jesus was married, not Christians. And true Christians don’t follow the Pope. Catholicism is a totally different religion based on Roman paganism dressed up to look like Christianity. So your arguments aren’t even based on facts.
And your arguments in no way take away from the fact that the Bible is 100% true and is backed up by facts outside the Bible that even non-Christians have to admit show the Bible is precise & accurate. Hinduism, on the other hand, lacks integrity and truth. Since the Bible can be proven to be true, that’s how I know your homosexuality is wrong and that if you don’t stop it and turn away from your Hinduism, your life will be in jeopardy. I’m warning you out of love, because I don’t want you to end up in hell.
If you’re honest with yourself, you know that ultimately the things you’re involved in don’t give you lasting peace inside. Relationships like yours are marked by unfaithfulness. Homosexuals, even though they claim to be in committed relationships, often look for sex outside of their so-called committed relationship. Yet they are still unfulfilled after it’s over, from what I’ve heard. And why would you want to follow gods that lie and that lead you in the wrong direction? They’re actually evil angels trying to deceive you into not following the one who can truly save you from your sins. Only Jesus can save you from the frustration and emptiness and lack of peace you have inside. It’s those things that are getting you all worked up against me. I’m not the cause of your unhappiness. Your sin-filled life is. But you can be free of it through the only true Lord–Jesus Christ.
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Oh.. my… I dont need you to tell me anything about my beliefs or my way of living have a look at your self before you give your “invaluable” advice about spirituality to me.. you Dont have the authority my dear…. you think you do… but you dont.. you think you are above all human beings… with all the wisdom in the world and that you are God’s “favorite” apostle.sin free.because of trying to convert everyone into the religion you follow . but you are not !! (news flash).. .. I am Proud of my inheritance .. being Hindu and of Krishna… I am proud and I know my Krishna is strong enough, wise enough, merciful enough to direct my soul to Heaven.. Theres no need for me to turn my back on my religion (Like you did before you “turned” Christian….. because apparently you didnt like it… its your problem) n theres no Hell for Hindus..just so you know. its for people like you) So enjoy that :P..
And Harry “Gay”lord… I don;t need to follow advice from a heterosexual weirdo to govern my life and relationship… and just FYI– Unfaithfulness is not just in “Homosexuals” it exists in heterosexual couples as well… it depends on how the person is raised.. n i m raised better than that… so shut it… and JUST SO YOU KNOW… those questions about Jesus’s marriage or his being a God or man are raised by Christians itself not unbelievers… so… don’t cover up… May God bless you and i hope u get you well soon… coz you r sick..
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Shay,
Guess I struck a nerve. Actually, a person cannot even be a Christian unless they believe Jesus was fully God & fully man & unless they believe what the Bible said of him. So those so-called Christians you encountered aren’t Christians. People often pretend to be what they’re not. And I don’t think of myself in the way you accused me. Jesus died for my wickedness just like he did for yours & everyone else’s. That’s why I love sharing what I’ve shared with you.
I pray one day you will be saved and Jehovah will do mighty works in your life.
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this blog is horribly biased.
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xyz,
The biases are backed by the indisputable facts. That isn’t horrible. But your complaint is based on your own biases. It all comes down to whose biases are more informed.
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how do you know that this blog is not biased?
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Thanks a lot of your love for 1/6th population of the world (1 Billion) and doing your full efforts to save them!!! God bless you always!!!
PS: I follow-up your comments in this post. My fellow Indians will understand one day that to remove corruption, Christianity is needed. At present, they are involved in “Love God and love their own family.” By the grace of God, they will “Love God and love people”. By love for people, many social problems in India such as jealousy, greedy, hatred and revenge will be minimized. I pray God will do mighty work and bring them out of darkness and give His presence to show how true God looks like and feels like. Jesus can make them more righteous and productive to glorify Him. They will be blessed to do more charity after financial blessings instead of accumulating money just for the sake of status and power which they can’t bring it to Heaven. At present, my most of the fellow Indians think that to become rich without wicked ways is impossible. By accepting Jesus, they will understand forgiveness, blessings and ever lasting, unending, unconditional love of Jesus. Amen!!!
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I guess there are few things you omitted during the comparison of the two religions:
1) Hinduism concept of God: He is one (Param Brahm: Supreme Brahman) and is all attractive, all knowledgeable, all powerful, is of no sex (neither male, female or she-male), ultimate truth, omnipresent, beyond any sin (this matches with Christianity but in a different approach all together) he is Sacchidanand (means Sat: Soul + Chit: with mind + Anand : perfect bliss so he always remains in same blissful mood) and learned call Him by n number (trillions) of names.
1 a) Christianity concept of God: He is what he is, means not necessarily Good but he is God. He curses people, he is a male and male chauvinist (cursed women to be of lower category than men) , hates animals ( cursed Lucifer), not all powerful (He cannot make make Human again as he once did (Adam) and had a bit of power left so he made Eve out of one rib of Adam, promotes incest (as he cannot make more family, so progeny of Adam and Eve have to submit for it), God rapes virgins as he don’t have power to again create a human without a female’s womb ( making a woman pregnant without her consent is rape , Virgin Mary), promotes sin ( made reproduction only by means of sex which is a sin), he like sinners (God uses sinners to fulfil His will so he is a bad character ed politician) . God does not need perfect men (Seems perfect men can challenge his authority and he is dubious of winning).
2) Christianity is polytheist believing in Trinity but claims to be monotheist, Hinduism is clear they say that all Gods and Demi-gods are one the the supreme Brahman but says they are polytheist as the image of supreme Being in Human/animal body will bring Dosha (fault) to Him, so accepts polytheism, some sects of Christianity do not claim to believe in Trinity but do they believe only in Jesus or atleast the father too: Christ ). So any ways they are polytheist but with lies.
3) Christianity believes in evil as an entity “Satan ” which is very powerful and god asks people not to get attracted to satan as if some political contest is going on. He cannot kill Satan as he (Christ) is not all-powerful, Hinduism says nothing can survive against God the Supreme Deity as he is all powerful, so sin is just thoughts of Humans, which humans have to conquer with their Godliness.
4) In Christianity, God chooses few people Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc to give knowledge to give it to humans (how he chooses them without any logic as they do not have any previous birth for virtuous deeds) , Hinduism says no human is greater than you so you can achieve your knowledge by salvation by the way of different forms of yoga, the second reply in your post describes it in brief) as God is same for all. However, with previous birth deeds some become sages to whom he delivers more of enlightenment ways and again through the words of God himself incarnating on this earth.
5) Jesus said that salvation and heaven can only be achieved by him, but Moses and Abraham came before him so they must be burning in hell. In Hinduism, Lord Krishna said whoever is whatever ways he must be following will ultimately come to me .
6) Christianity says that there is a Human spirit (soul) which remains in human till they are alive once they die it goes to God for judgement day, but animals don’t have souls (then what is the reason behind their life, isn’t it illogical and Jesus’s knowledge incomplete) Hinduism says animals have Sat(:The Soul,) Humans: Sat+ Chit ( Soul with mind) and God (Sat+Chit+Anand : Soul with mind and perfect bliss).
Just one question: from where you got “Hinduism says there is no absolute truth; truth is subjectively based on what each individual believes.” as we believe in ultimate truth which is Supreme Brahman. I will reply over Goddess Kali afterwards.
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Shubham, I’m glad you left your comment. It’s the perfect example of how non-Christians have to lie in order to promote their own false beliefs. It also shows that if you’re not submitted to the true God Jehovah, you cannot understand the truth. I gave clear concise truths with quotes and where to find them in Hindu scriptures. You on the other hand, just did a blatant misrepresentation and a deceitful spin on Christianity & the Bible. It shows that people such as yourself are not really interested in an honest debate since your comments are dishonest. I omitted a lot because I was just highlighting some of the nonsense Hinduism teaches. It’s unrealistic to expect someone to do more than that since Hinduism scriptures are so vast, not even your gurus and brahmans know everything that’s in them.
1 a) A misrepresentation of Jehovah God. He is 100% good & when someone is 100% good it means they must deal with punishing evil. “The Lord liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him,” Jeremiah 4:2. That’s why some people had to be cursed in the Bible. It was part of their punishment for doing wrong. If someone in power does not punish wrongdoing, they are saying they are in agreement with the evil committed. So you’re saying you prefer a god who overlooks evil and ignores it. God gave women a different role than men in the family. It doesn’t mean they’re inferior. And anyone following Hinduism really shouldn’t be throwing stones with all the human trafficking of women & their abuse in India & Nepal. Many Hindu women in the UK commit suicide because they are oppressed under Hinduism.
When God created animals he called them good in Genesis 1. In Genesis 2, he asked Adam to name the animals, which showed how much he cared about them. He even had Noah save animals on the ark before he destroyed the wicked men ruining the Earth.
There wasn’t incest until many years after Adam & Eve. Once the Earth was populated, it was only then that sex between close relatives became incest because the gene pool became more & more degraded as the centuries went by. Adam & Eve had perfect genes so their children and grandchildren were allowed to mate.
God didn’t rape Mary. Thanks for showing yourself to be a liar. In Luke, God sent his messenger Gabriel to let Mary know she was specially chosen for God’s special assignment of bearing the Savior of the world, God in the flesh. Mary had a spiritual relationship with our Creator & knew it was an honor for God, who is holy & righteous, to use her & she consented by saying “Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.” You’re a liar in that you want the God of the Bible to be evil when he is good and you want the devils you worship to be good when they are pure evil.
You said God “promotes sin ( made reproduction only by means of sex which is a sin).” Once again you’re lying. Sex within marriage is not a sin when husband & wife both agree to it. God created sex to be done within a marriage for husbands & wives to bond spiritually and physically, to pleasure each other, and to procreate. Your claiming all sex is sin really shows that you may not be playing with a full deck. So you’re implying people should not marry because sex is a sin, but your idea is a sin specifically mentioned in 1 Timothy 4:3 as false doctrine.
2) Jehovah in the Bible is one God. You’ve determined in your own evil mind to hate the only true God, the God who created you, so you refuse the truth to promote your lies. Hinduism teaches polytheism, but you want to prance around it with your false claims that it’s monotheistic. I even showed from Hindu scriptures in the comment at this link [https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/03/07/a-quick-comparison-between-hinduism-and-christianity/#comment-7976] how it’s polytheistic. Some of the gods & goddesses are even married to each other, have sex, then have children together. If it’s sin to have sex, like you said, then your gods are evil sinners by your own admission. And since your gods & demigods are one in the supreme brahman, that means your supreme brahman is also an evil sinner since you believe sex is a sin.
And your play on words & concepts is deceptive. Your supreme brahman is a state of being, not an actual person, but a state of godhood. Hinduism teaches that everyone can evolve to the supreme brahman, to the state of godhood. That’s not monotheism, that’s polytheism. So I was right on point with the info I posted above. You’re deceptively using a different definition of theism to twist the theism discussion in your favor. When a discussion on theism takes place, it is understood that the discussion is about a named person, an entity. But when you & other Hindus discuss theism, you have redefined it to mean an ultimate state or level of being or existence. That’s how you think you can get away with claiming monotheism.
I can go on to tear down your other ridiculous arguments, but I think I’ve said enough at this point to show anyone who reads this exchange that you are way off base with your assumptions, lies, and contradictions. Don’t bother sending the comment you said you’d send about Kali.
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how do you know that your god is the true one? can you give me a reliable evidence to prove that your god is the right one?
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hey i dont mean anything bad or any harm to you but please provide us with evidence that Kali and Shiva kill people for pleasure.
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Harry A. Gaylord, may Jesus give you wisdom so that you see the truth and realize the great things in other religions. I am sure Juesus must be undergoing a lot of pain like he did when he was crucified, on seeing people like you spread ignorance and hatred, rather than his message of knowledge and peace. Hope you start believing in the message of Jesus some day and stop insulting him. Wish you and Jesus all the best !
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indiana,
I’ve already seen the truth and expressed it here w/my post & follow-up comments. May Jesus give you the knowledge and grace to see that he is the only way to God & that Hinduism is the worship of false gods.
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I think Mr. Harry you should change the name this article from “A quick comparison……..” to “A quick criticism …………”
This is the worst piece of information I ever came across.
You are a clear racist with no respect for other religions….for your information Jesus i never claimed himself God…..( Where as you are referring him as so numerous times here…. )
see below-
John 14:28
My Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3
The head of Christ is God.
so you are WRONG in every bit of this essay and you yourself unaware of your own religion.
Coming to another stupid interpretation you’ve mentioned about Kali —
Without knowing the facts how can you point that ” Kali Slayed people”….
For your Kind information..Go and read the scriptures first.
(as per second section of the Vishnu Purana and the fifth canto of the Bhagavata Purana, and also in Jain texts, like Adipurana)…” Kali slayed Robbers to save Jadbharata “…. and the sole intent of this Avatar was to preserve the society.
you must not point fingers at other religions…..
There’s no instance of a FORCED CONVERSION in Hinduism , However the history is full of Christian atrocities in the name of Church.
Jesus was undoubtedly a great manifestation of the Godhead and lived an inspirational life. However, the racists and ignorant westeners like you propagate false information in your world and talk what you like…
This article is a waste of time.
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Puneet,
Religion is not a racial thing. It’s about what’s true and what isn’t true. People such as yourself should really try coming up with new arguments since you repeat the same worn out disproven arguments over and over like a broken record or scratched CD. You don’t understand how Jesus claimed to be God because you don’t understand the Bible since you bow down to false gods. Your mind has been blinded to the truth by your preconceived pagan notions.
I already proved that Jesus claimed to be God in my post “Jesus Christ claimed to be God.”
I also noticed how Hindus often falsely accuse Christians of using “forced conversions” just because we share the gospel. Converting to believe in Jesus is a matter of what happens in one’s heart and is between that individual & God. If a conversion is genuine, it can’t be forced. It’s based on freewill.
Regarding Kali, I already stated in a previous comment that “In the Kalisantarana Upanishad, it is stated that one must recite 16 secretive names to counteract the evil effects that Kali brings. In the Srimad Bhagavad Gita, the person who is blessed is the one who can ‘destroy the taint of Kali.’ If Kali brings evil effects and taints a person, this means she brings wickedness and not good things as you have been deceived into believing.”
You claim this article is a waste of time, but you apparently didn’t think so since you read the whole thing yourself and took the time to type out and submit a comment.
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Harry !
Greetings from my side… God himself will shatter your false proud one day.( Thats none of my concern though…..thats your false ego )
Coming back to the topic….
mark my word that you’ll be proved wrong in every part of your reply
Firstly, good that you addressed me a PAGAN …..For your info this term for triology worshippers or modern Hindus is a term tossed by some ignorant soul like you……Even HINDU term was tossed by inhuman Britishers to spoil Indian Culture ( in 1908 CE)…There’s nothing called Hindu as per Vedic scriptures.( which are thousands of years old)
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Secondly… If I bow to a false God….
Then You also bow to a false God…..Jesus is not scientifically proven …….he never lived …he’s imaginary……
Bible contradicts his existence as God and Son of God at times….so what is he actually….??
Your Bible talks of talking snakes, talking ass (balam’s ass), flying zombies, a jonah living inside a whale….to name a few…also ..tell me a REALITY on Jesus birth…
How can he be born without sexual contact ..to a Virgin Mother…..its baseless….
prove me this point scientifically……
I’m sure you’ll jump on your computer seat with fury on the above statements……this a truth…..believe it or not….!!!!
But difference is that inspite that we both bow to False Gods…I’m still humble than you…
I dont criticize Jesus and his teachings…
Let me share my view on Jesus ….
I trust in all Abrahmic religions and even Jesus .
We In india regard him as a great soul like Prophets and who came to earth 2012 years ago .
Even in Indian Vedic scriptures he’s mentioned as “Isha Putra” …please read Bhavishya Purana..Written 3000 BCE….which predicted Jesus avatar …..
Even Isha Putra means..Son of God.
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But irony is that idiotic people like you made him God….you forgot his infinite divine messages and teachings…
I firmly believe that no religion is perfect and some misinterpretations on some verses make things worst…
ONLY ..GOD IS PERFECT…..everything else is imperfect that includes you and me ….
So, Mr. Harry you are Proved wrong in every part of your reply….as i told that I’ll thrash your ignorance on Vedic Religion ( or modern Hindu Religion)…
I’ve all solid replies already prepared for your incomplete wisdom and await your comments…
Hope you drop your rotten thoughts and come out with a new counter reply to my answer to your article…
NAMASTE !!!!
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Puneet,
You should really learn to be more concise & coherent when you leave comments to spare those who read them from your incessant rambling. No matter how much you argue, Hinduism is still a lie. And because it’s a lie, you use lies and contradictions ineffectively to make your point.
[modern Hindus is a term tossed by some ignorant soul like you]
That’s one of your lies. Those who follow the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, and other Hindu scriptures proudly call themselves Hindu. The commenters above who came here to argue against me even call themselves Hindus. In your previous comment above, you even called it Hinduism. So you have just called yourself ignorant since you claim Hindus don’t call themselves Hindus. And you contradicted yourself.
[If I bow to a false God… Then You also bow to a false God]
Not so. That’s a false assumption made by you. We don’t worship the same God. Your Hindu scriptures are full of several different contradictory creation stories that have no evidence to back them up. The God of the Bible has proven evidence to back up the facts he gives in the Bible, such as the universe being created ex nihilo, whereas Hindu scriptures teach that the universe has always existed (a fact proven wrong by modern science).
[Jesus is not scientifically proven …….he never lived …he’s imaginary]
That’s what you said at first but then later in your comment you stated the following:
[I trust in all Abrahmic religions and even Jesus. We In india regard him as a great soul like Prophets and who came to earth 2012 years ago]
You contradicted yourself again, which shows you’re a liar. One instance you say Jesus is imaginary and never lived while the next instance you say you trust in Jesus and that he came to earth 2012 years ago. So you’re double minded and the Bible says a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Proof positive that you don’t know what you believe.
[Your Bible talks of talking snakes, talking ass (balam’s ass), flying zombies, a jonah living inside a whale]
There are no flying zombies in the Bible and Jonah didn’t live inside a whale. Your comment overlooks one simple fact. The world we live in is a world where miracles happen that cannot be explained by science. The fact that the universe suddenly appeared with its space, time, and matter out of nothing with all the powerful stars, gravitation of planets, comets, black holes, and all kinds of energy sources is a miracle in itself. So if someone caused all of these things to happen miraculously, then talking snakes, and talking asses, and a man swallowed by a whale are somewhat trivial concerns. People miraculously still rise from the dead, are miraculously spared from being severely hurt or killed in situations when they should have died, and other unusual, unexplainable outcomes.
[How can he be born without sexual contact ..to a Virgin Mother…..its baseless… prove me this point scientifically]
My reply in the paragraph above explains this. Science cannot explain everything in this universe because we live in a world where miraculous things happen and the virgin birth is one of those miraculous things. Since science shows that an intelligent being outside of space, matter, and time had to have caused this universe and all its power to come into existence, then such a being would have no problem causing himself to born as a human through a virgin without any sex.
[I’m still humble than you]
People who are truly humble don’t need to boast about being more humble than others to imply that they’re better than other people.
[Even in Indian Vedic scriptures he’s mentioned as “Isha Putra” which predicted Jesus avatar… Even Isha Putra means..Son of God.]
This text you refer to is a corrupted text. Hindu gurus and brahmans have a practice of editing Hindu scriptures to add to them or take away from them as they see fit. When they received information from other religions, they incorporated them into Hindu scripture afterwards. Jesus had already lived, died, resurrected, and ascended to heaven when this was added.
[you forgot his infinite divine messages and teachings]
How can someone who didn’t exist or was imaginery, like you claimed about Jesus earlier, have any divine messages or teachings?
[no religion is perfect… ONLY ..GOD IS PERFECT]
If no religion is perfect, then how can you draw the conclusion that God is perfect? You implied in your previous comment that one gets to know about their god through reading the scriptures. Religions are based on the writings of the religion, so if only God is perfect then the writings aren’t perfect and if the writings aren’t perfect, then how can you conclude that God is perfect since the writings are what give you the ideas about God? In order for you to know that God is perfect, then there has to be a reliable, infallible, trustworthy writing to make us believe God is perfect. So your statement is contradictory and false. There would have to be a perfect religion to lead us to the conclusion that God is perfect. Otherwise, you would not be able to know that God is perfect.
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My dear friend and brother Harry,
Even if you say, as you have said earlier that a Christian and a Hindu can never be brothers, I will pray to Jesus, Allah and to all assigned names of Hindu God, for you to be forgiven for the arrogance and nonsense that you have been consistantly and liberally throwing for a real long time.
Mani
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I think the word we are looking for is “coexist” and “practice”. People practice religion and that the problem starts when you start following religion. I am from India and live in a neighborhood full of Christians. America is a great nation and it lets you practice any religion within the legal boundaries which define common ground across all religions. Look around, the world created by God firmly believes in coexistence. World would only get better as people practice religion of their choice and mutually respect co-existence….
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Hi All,
To all Hindus and Non Hindus,
It’s all about understanding the scriptures (be it Bhagvadgita, Quran or Bible) in a right sense.(The soulconcious way) .There will be inner meanings.
All the scriptures are written based on the revelations happened to the fathers of religion.All of them having taken birth interpreted them with the body and not in Soul Conscious way.
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I don’t have good Vocab in english so I have put it in the simplest way I can.
Thanks
Satya
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Satya,
This is nothing more than the standard hogwash of Hinduism. Hindu scripture does not have verifiable scientific, historical, or spiritual truth like the Bible does. Neither does the Quran. The Bible is the only spiritual truth there is. It gave many specific prophecies way before they were actually fulfilled in history, and history verifies this. Hindu scriptures don’t have this testimony. They’re nothing but fairy tales that land its followers in hell. So you need to repent, turn from your wicked ways, and believe in Jesus before it’s too late.
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This is really disappointing.You didn’t even post my entire comments.I expected reply
from you for my comments.All the claims made by you are empty.If you are the true
believer of your religion you should face the counters posed by us.I am not even
criticizing christianity for that matter.Every religion has its part in this drama wheel
when it arrived on earth…
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What’s really disappointing, Satya, is that the Bible is backed by indisputable proof that it’s true–proof that you choose to ignore in favor of the untrue stories found in Hindu scriptures. Jesus is the sinless Lord who came and died for the sins of all of us, then he rose from the dead. If you refuse to believe in him, you will die in your sins. Your coming to this website was God giving you the opportunity to turn from your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus for your salvation. All other gods did not create the heavens or the earth and will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.
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dude you are so stubborn. that can be expected of a person clouded by religion. This is quite an old post but I couldn’t stop myself from commenting on it. Why must you waste your time trying to degrade other religions? Hinduism in particular? When clearly you do not know anything about it. Half knowledge is dangerous. And what you have my friend is half knowledge.
Love thy neighbour? Well true love you got there towards others. Openly insulting them and their choices. You may think you are trying to show them the true path, but you are no saint. You yourself have not truly found yourself.
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People who have immersed themselves in religion do no waste time bad mouthing other paths. Instead they strive to attain salvation through their chosen methods.
I will admit: I myself do not have the complete knowledge about Hinduism. But from what I know is There is one supreme god who can create(Brahma), preserve (Vishnu) and destroy (Shiva). They are the thrimurthi (thri means 3). Thrimurthi means the Hindu trinity. just like your “Father, son and the holy ghost”. …
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Your choice is your own. You have no right to openly criticise others beliefs.
Someone mentioned here in this blog that Hindus are abusing Christians and converted Christians. Lets face it, you would do the same. Just like Harry has gone abusing Hinduism, Hindus do the same…
I wish there were strict laws against people who insult other religions this way. People involved in Publicly stated opinions and acts of violence based on religion must be severely punished. Islam is the one that is facing the most of it. Then comes Jewism and them Christianity. It’s a way of life people. Lets leave it at that. No need to create debates and wars over it.
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[Why must you waste your time trying to degrade other religions?]
Cindy, shouldn’t you be asking why Hinduism degrades human life by promoting a caste system? Or why does Hinduism treat women and girls as 2nd class citizens and enslave them in the sex trade?
[There is one supreme god who can create(Brahma), preserve (Vishnu) and destroy (Shiva). They are the thrimurthi (thri means 3). Thrimurthi means the Hindu trinity.]
As you stated, you don’t know much about Hinduism. As I mentioned before, Hinduism believes in many gods, separate deities. When they say there is one god, they mean there is one state of being for gods called the Supreme Brahman, and that all the different deities have obtained to that one state of being a god. That’s how they subtly and deceptively argue they believe in one god, but it’s really polytheisthic.
[You have no right to openly criticise others beliefs.]
Yet you have contradicted yourself by coming here to criticize my Christian beliefs.
[Just like Harry has gone abusing Hinduism, Hindus do the same…]
Speaking against falsehoods isn’t abuse. Furthermore, in exercising my freedom of speech, a God-given right that you apparently hate, I haven’t encouraged any violence against anyone here, nor have I gone out and physically attacked anyone. Speaking out against false religion isn’t the same as physical violence. All I’ve done is encourage readers to embrace the Lord who paid for their sins by dying for them so they can be saved from their sins and receive eternal life. Then I left it up to each reader to make a decision for themselves without any force. That’s really what you object to.
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Let me throw some light on Caste Systems :
As per Veda, Hindus have 4 castes : 1) Brahaman – the most learned person, priest 2) Khatriya – The warriors or the rulers 3) Vaisya – The business man or who does trade, merchants 4)sudras- The labours.
The caste system is based on the karma / action/ duty one is performing and I hope the above caste system exists in all society whether East or West, Christian or Hindus or Muslims.
Now coming to Bible as Science – Its Christian church who has kept Gallelio in imprisonment for telling earth revolves round the Sun which directly contradicts Bible. Ultimately Roman Catholic church has accepted the truth that Earth revolves round the sun in the mid of 1990 decade. This you have to agree as it is hard core truth.
On the other hand Veda , it describes 10 incarnations of GOD which resembles Evolution Theory. Just Google it. Not discussing in details
The Cosmic theories calculation regarding age of universe, age of earth etc etc related to universe in Upanishads is nearly equal to what science demands. Just google it.
The effect of Karma is some what similar to Newton’s third law (” To every Action there is an equal and opposite reaction”)
The proof that every thing is generated from GOD is that within every particle there exists a “GOD particle” which is common . …:) Hope you have heard of GOD particle , so I am not discussing it.
Harry , if you have learned Hinduism a simple question for you :
What are the four stages of life as per Veda that a person should follow or undergo?
Don’t google it. If you know you answer , otherwise I will answer.
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Arup,
The caste system has been nothing more than a convenient excuse used for centuries up until today to oppress people in the Hindu world. I can tell you’ve ignored previous comments I’ve made about the difference between the true Christian church & Roman Catholicism which is a cheap imitation of Christianity. Galileo’s discovery did not contradict the Bible but proved it and anyone who’s read the Bible knows that. So obviously you haven’t. Roman Catholicism, like your false religion Hinduism, is based on man-made lies, fairy tales, and hogwash. If you even knew history, you would know that Galileo stated several times his belief in the Lord Jesus and pointed out that Roman Catholic traditions were against what the Bible said and that his discoveries did not contradict the Bible.
Basically, you just came here to promote your version of revised history, but have only exposed how much you really don’t know. You speak of the oppression supposedly done centuries ago by false Christianity but conveniently ignore the oppressive and destructive practices done by Hindus today in our times.
I’m not going to play your game of asking me about whatever the Vedas say about any supposed stages of life since I’ve given plenty of info already in my post & follow-up comments to show that Hinduism is a lie and no matter how much you embrace or believe in Hinduism, the only place it will get you once you die is an eternity in hell. “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment,” [Hebrews 9:27]. It would be in your best interest to repent of your false teachings and other sins and believe in the Lord Jesus so you can be saved. Otherwise, you will die in your sins.
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Do you know when a Hindu meets a person or bids a person what he says …?
He says …”Namaste” which means ” The devine within me greets the devine within you” . Such a respect a Hindu gives to others.
Namaste …Harry..
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Arup,
Say “namaste” all you want, but unless you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only true God, you will die in your sins. No one has God living in them unless they have confessed the Lord Jesus & believe in their heart that God has raised him from the dead.
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Sir, I respectfully submit that your assessment of “Hinduism” is textbookish, and indicates that you’ve really never taken an in-depth look at it. When people of other faiths show an interest in Christianity, do you expect them to do more than take a cursory look at it, and give it a fair hearing? Of course you do. Then surely other religions deserve the same courtesy. It may well be that Christianity gives a better account of the human condition, and deals in more satisfactory manner with the “hard questions” regarding God, man, suffering, and human existence. I believe that it does. But I wouldn’t be able to conclude that unless I understood how the other faiths deal with and respond to the same questions. Before I came to Christ, I was personally involved in the work of one of the standard translations of Bhagavad Gita out of a critical Sanskrit edition of “Mahabharata.” In fact, I wrote the entire Introduction to that volume. So I’m not exactly a dabbler in these matters.
First of all, the designation “Hinduism” is virtually meaningless. The vedic traditions comprise a great many very different belief systems, which differ among themselves on fundamental issues. To talk about “Hinduism” is much like talking about “Indian cuisine,” or “Western religion.” You really need to be more specific on which cuisine or religious tradition you’re commenting on. You would no doubt take exception to anyone who lumped evangelical Christianity together with the Romish church, and Mormonism, and Christian Science, and Unitarianism, and Jehovah’s Witnesses. So would I. All of them somehow recognize Christ as a central figure in their theology. But we can’t conclude that they all teach or believe the same thing.
Ultimately, the difference between biblical Christianity and most other world religious lies in soteriology. Can a human being save himself by his own lights and resources? For the Christian, man is not spiritually self-sufficient. For believers in most other faiths, he is (to varying degrees). For Buddhists, man is entirely spiritually self-sufficient. Buddhists have no concept of a creator God; thus, spiritual self-sufficiency is a logical consquence of their worldview. If God doesn’t exist, then man is surely self-reliant. But spiritual self-reliance doesn’t warrant an inference of spiritual self-sufficiency. In fact, most of the evidence works against the hypothesis of self-suffciency. Belief in self-sufficiency, man’s ability to get on spiritually without God, is the very first sin; and it’s recorded in the third chapter of Genesis. Adam and Eve ate of the “tree of knowledge of good and evil.” Why? Because they believed the lie that they could be like God. (Genesis 3: 4-6; 22-23.) It is on THIS theological point that the fundamental difference between biblical Christianity on the one hand, and Buddhism and most of the Vedic tradition turns. Most traditions of Advaita Vedanta teach that God is the sole reality, and that human nature is essentially divine. “You are God,” believers are told. Experience and reflection have taught me that this is a perennial but alluring falsehood. I was still a Buddhist when I read the Genesis story. Even then I concluded that this was the most incisive and revelatory account of the human condition I’d ever read. At that time I agreed with the (atheist) philosopher Sartre, that “man is futile desire to be God.” So it was then, and so it is even today. The desire to be God may have been the “original sin,” but it remains the perennial sin. Milton stated it well in his epic “Paradise Lost,” in the person of Satan: “Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven.”
On this issue, believers in Buddhism or one of the Vedic religions can’t possibly disagree with a Christian apologist. The latter is only repeated what they themselves insist that they believe. The only question is whether the proposition “man is spiritually self-sufficient” is true or false. If it’s true, I have yet to find any real evidence supporting it. And the evidence falsifying it is overwhelming. If this is so, then why is it that most human beings can’t acknowledge it? For the same reason that most human beings want to be God. Far from being naturally divine, man is a fallen, frail creature, and given to hubris and folly. Biblical references to this reality are too numerous to cite. But if this, in turn, is true, then the objective of any spiritual quest must be salvation. However, Buddhists and the Vedic religious traditions are not interested in salvation as we understand it. Since for them “sin” is not problematic, there is no need for it. What they seek is “Liberation” (moksha, mukti), a concept which is alien to Christianity. Again, the entire difference is soteriological. Many Christian apologists would refer to it as a difference in respective “worldviews.”
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@tostrader,
[Sir, I respectfully submit that your assessment of “Hinduism” is textbookish, and indicates that you’ve really never taken an in-depth look at it.]
Not true. If you look at my quotes above taken directly from Hindu scripture, they are quoted & explained very accurately within their context. I read directly from the Hindu scripture to compile this post & my follow-up comments. It was hardly ‘cursory’ as you claim.
[First of all, the designation “Hinduism” is virtually meaningless.]
Also not true. Those who follow this religion, no matter what sect, proudly call themselves Hindus. Sometimes they will go into which sect they follow, but they all say they’re Hindu & will tell you which Hindu scripture they embrace.
[To talk about “Hinduism” is much like talking about “Indian cuisine,” or “Western religion.” You really need to be more specific]
No I don’t. I have quoted in my posts & comments from a variety of Hindu scriptures that all Hindus hold dear and have pointed out several times their glaring contradictions. One of the biggest contradictions is the variety of narratives on how the universe & things in the universe were created.
[However, Buddhists and the Vedic religious traditions are not interested in salvation as we understand it. Since for them “sin” is not problematic, there is no need for it. What they seek is “Liberation” (moksha, mukti), a concept which is alien to Christianity.]
This statement of yours is contradictory. Sin is truly a problem for Hindus. They teach that if one does evil while they exist in one life form, that evil will come back on them when they die & return in another life form. Therefore, they seek “liberation” from this repeated karma so they can reach the form of existence of the Supreme Brahman–their one ultimate state of godhood where one attains “the highest state of knowledge and transcendence” according to Bhagavadgita chapter 18. This state of being a god is what Hindus use to falsely claim they aren’t pantheistic but monotheistic.
Sin and evil are synonymous. Even the hymns in the Rigveda use the words interchangeably. So you are mistaken. And the idea of liberation is one of the central themes in Christianity. Liberation (which is synonymous with liberty & freedom) from being slaves to our sins and their eternal consequences is why Jesus came from heaven to earth. “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed,” John 8:36. “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage,” Galatians 5:1.
But the liberation from sin, or evil, in Christianity is far above that which Hinduism teaches because the Bible speaks the truth that man is incapable of liberating himself of his evil. Only Christ can save us from ourselves.
Your statement about sin and liberation as it pertains to Hinduism isn’t true, which makes me question your intentions for even making such a statement if you claim to know so much about Hinduism when it appears you really don’t. It leads me to believe you only made it to try to cast aspersions on the truth that I’ve spoken about this false religion.
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What you’re telling me, as well as believers in other religions is simply this: “You’re wrong because I’m right,” I thought you had something to say of value here; I was mistaken.
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@tostrader,
You apparently came here thinking that I would somehow compromise my stand on God’s word and buy into your assessments of my knowledge of the truth. I must say I’m happy to disappoint you on those matters. I have no doubts about the info I’ve shared because I’ve done my due diligence on this topic.
My stance towards other’s religions is definitely not ‘you’re wrong because I’m right.’ Rather, my stance is God’s word is infallible and is backed by spiritual, historical, & scientific facts that prove it’s true, therefore any teaching not in agreement with God’s word is false. When you stand on truth, there’s never a need to be sorry about it or compromise just to appease the blind masses who refuse it or are offended by it.
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Great Job Harry. People are not trying to understand what you are actually trying to say to them. They cant sense your love for them. I think heated arguments here on this post is making people think that you hate them personally, which is not true at all. you took pains to right the truth ( who does that these days? ) so people with discerning heart will understand and try to save them self. I use to be hindu too but when I came to know about these fact and more! I was heart broken and left with pain but I had to face the truth. not just me but my whole family had too think about it too. and we were from a very Strong hindu family. My dad was an RSS member too and hated Christians. But now he preaches Christianity and so do we all. I dont hate any hindus infact I love them with the love of Christ but yes you are right those things are there in the hindus scriptures and some how people are not opening there eyes to look deep. I would suggest all the people here on this post to before criticizing him please do study hindu scriptures which he is refering too which is the foundation of hindu religion and not just make up your own Ideas to defend the religion. Its not your job to defend your religion, if its strong enough it will stand the test.
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Mr.Singh, thanks for sharing your experiences.
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very long
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I’ve looked at religions for decades, and by far Christians have the hardest time justifying their beliefs, they lead my the worst examples, and their house has always been divided
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…Says the person who is determined to hate Christianity no matter what proof is given to back it up.
True Christians are living letters of recommendation for the Lord Jesus. They include some who are ex-criminals, ex-drug addicts, ex-drunkards, ex-adulterers, and other evil things whose lives did a 180° turn from their wicked ways when they encountered the Lord Jesus Christ. Christians are the ones working in inner city missions to minister to the outcasts of society. They’re the ones going to Africa to dig wells for villagers and traveling to Asia to help build homes and schools for the less fortunate. They’re the ones who pray for the sick, some of whom get healed. They’re the ones who have seen the Lord Jesus in dreams in Islamic nations and have been saved by him from Islam and their other sins to serve him with pure hearts.
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… as per basic principles of Christianity there were no souls before the beginning of Creation and it cannot, therefore, be said that Creation was for the benefit of anyone else except Jehovah. …
where as In Hindu texts it is explicit that god the supreme being supreme soul creates the world for establishing benevolence, righteousness etc. …Hinduism does not ask any one to blindly believe god created souls and the world in 7 days out of nothing for the benefit of god himself. perhaps the god supreme soul is selfless and does not even live and take side with devils or gods. he is impartial and does not expect every one to worship him and praise him for his wonderful job, besides he does not take responsibility for evil leadership which degrade values and system of the world. furthermore shiva does not ask any one to kill the ungodly people, but ask ourself to destroy our own impure thinking.
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@jay
[Hinduism does not ask any one to blindly believe god created souls and the world in 7 days out of nothing for the benefit of god himself.]
We who worship Jehovah through Jesus Christ don’t blindly believe in God. Our God has proven he is truthful by the prophecies he made centuries ago that were fulfilled after he predicted them. Those prophecies are even being fulfilled today. He also proves how real he is by the positive changes he makes in people’s lives by changing their wicked hearts. Hinduism has neither one of these. Science has already shown that the universe came into being out of nothing just like it says in the Bible, but Hinduism still teaches that the universe is from eternity, that it always existed. Then Hinduism turns around & contradicts itself by telling many different contradicting stories about how the universe was created. If something was created, then it had a beginning & did not always exist. Hinduism contradicts itself in saying that both are true–that the universe always existed, but it was created at some point. Then they expect people like you to just blindly believe this nonsense.
The Bible establishes the foundation that Jehovah is righteous, never sins, & is always truthful. Therefore, if he does something for himself, it’s not the type of evil selfishness that humans have, as you imply in your comment. There are plenty of times we humans do things for ourselves that are good things to do–like eat, sleep, build or buy homes, save for retirement, & take care of our children. Those of us who have children and take care of them do it so our kids will turn around and honor us by taking care of us when we get elderly. If we do good things like this that have good selfish motives, then why criticize Jehovah when he does things for himself that are good things, like creating the universe to display his glory?
[perhaps the god supreme soul is selfless and does not even live and take side with devils or gods. he is impartial and does not expect every one to worship him and praise him for his wonderful job…]
If a god claims to be impartial & does not take sides with either devils or gods, then by default he is evil. Even human laws all over the globe tell us that much. For example, if a man rapes a woman and the law enforcement people don’t bring charges against the man because they claim they want to be impartial to both the criminal and the woman & her family when they have clear evidence of his crime, then the citizens will consider the law enforcement evil. If devils run around doing wicked things & “gods” go around trying to stop their evil, but a “supreme soul” does nothing & stays neutral, the “supreme soul” is saying he doesn’t care about the devils’ evil, thus making himself evil.
When you do well in school or on your job or choose to be a good law abiding citizen, don’t you expect to be rewarded or praised for it in some way? So why are you critical of Jehovah, the Holy One who is much better than you, when he expects praise for his good deeds? Hypocrite.
[…he does not take responsibility for evil leadership which degrade values and system of the world. furthermore shiva does not ask any one to kill the ungodly people, but ask ourself to destroy our own impure thinking.]
Then you don’t really know the Shiva (Siva) who is mentioned in Hindu scripture. Here are some facts on Shiva:
*The Puranas say that Shiva likes his lingam (penis) to be worshiped. And he expects men & women to worship his male member. Do you know what that says of men who worship Shiva’s lingam?
*The Vedas say that serpents are evil & are used to curse one’s enemies & that one must use protection against serpents when an enemy curses you by calling on serpents to attack you. The Vedas also say that Shiva is the king of serpents. Then this means, by the Vedas’ own admission, that Shiva is evil.
*In the White Yajur Veda, Shiva (aka Rudra) is called the ‘lord of thieves.’ Everyone knows that thieves are evil. So once again the Vedas admit that Shiva is evil and likes to hurt people by stealing.
*The ancient Hindu temple in Tanjore, India, refers to Shiva as the “dragon” & the “demon of darkness.” So if demons and dragons are known to be evil, as Hindu tradition teaches, then Shiva is evil. The Bible says Satan is the dragon and the prince of devils and the prince of darkness. So by Hindu traditions’ own admission, Shiva is Satan.
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Hey Harry..I was watching the comments delivered by you towards the Hindu philosophy..one thing is quiet clear that the Hindu philosophies are not digestible to common man.moreover that it should be noted that the gods and goddesses are mainly thinking about their own pleasure. one should be noted that Lord Shiva started to destroy the entire world at the time he lost Sathi, his first wife. He had gone to take drastic steps to humiliate her parents. Lord Vishnu’s incarnation Parasuram destroyed 21 times those people who killed his mother. see the incarnation Vamana who destroyed Mahabali kingdom for the sake of Lord Indra. Most of the gods and goddess are holding different kinds of weapons in their hand ..this is for what…an average Hindu can not understand what his religion speaks…that is why I tell that HINDUISM IS NOT A PRACTICAL RELIGION BUT ONLY HYPOTHETICAL.
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Read the below scripture…. how does word form and what does a word emit ….. ie sound…..So its very clear as sound is the main objective of life… and scientifically its proven that sounds alters chromosomes also … and it was already known by Hindus that’s why they use so many mantras for every problem they have one mantra…. which changes the state of mind and every religion believes in one supreme god and so that means a supreme power of sound created us to understand.
Kindly know about what we are fighting for or arguing about. just understand that all this mess is inactivating our DNA Chromosomes and making us more weak( evil)and good for nothing and god is really upset about it…
John 1:1
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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[sound is the main objective of life]
If this is true, then what you’re saying is that anyone who is deaf cannot acquire the main objective of life and is out of luck. If they’re mute and cannot speak mantras, they are out of luck. Too bad for them under Hinduism.
Jesus, on the other hand, invites everyone to come to him in love whether they be deaf, blind, mute, mentally handicapped, or whatever. All of them can be saved if they believe in Jesus in their heart.
[every religion believes in one supreme god]
Yours doesn’t. Hinduism teaches that the one god is the state of godhood, not an entity. Hinduism has thousands of gods who are part of the one state of being gods or goddesses. That’s not the same as Christianity who says God is one God who displays himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In simpler terms, Hinduism teaches that the one pantheon of gods is the one god. Hindus worship many gods.
[all this mess is inactivating our DNA Chromosomes]
Basically, you’re teaching that these changes toward becoming a god to reach your form of salvation is merely a physical state. Christianity teaches that the whole man will be saved only by the blood of Jesus, including his body, soul and spirit. His physical and spiritual parts will all experience salvation through Christ. So the two religions have huge differences and will never be the same.
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Why are we comparing gods. Whose is best and who is what. Let gods fight for themselves about who is what.
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[Why are we comparing gods.]
Because the very souls of men, women, and children are at stake. The truth needs to be proclaimed for the saving of lost souls and truth needs to be differentiated from the many lies that seek to cover the truth up so that people will see they are sinners on their way to hell who need a Savior to rescue them before it’s too late.
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Harry A. Gaylord. Sir, your years of dedication on this page. Just purely inspiring. God bless you.
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Thank you, Jinseok.
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You seriously have no clue about hinduism. You read 2 or 3 web sites and you think you got hinduism. then you are acting as a fool.
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Vedas are never ever supposed to be read on their own. They have to be taught by a guru. unless you are taught by a valid guru you don’t have the right to interpret them on your own way and start saying hinduism is wrong. first of all they were never written in english, i am not sure from where you are getting them. i don’t know the person who translated them got a guru. its really hard to put some sentence. you don’t even have a word for punya ( opposite of sin (paapa) ).
I pray to the jesus or lord rama in you to give you some strength to accept and digest others interests and some good soul to stop insulting others faith.
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Are you a guru? If not, then by your own admission I should just dismiss everything you just said about Hinduism. Furthermore, since you are talking to me about Hinduism in English, which you say is not valid to do, then by your admission whatever you are saying to me about Hinduism is not valid. Thank you for clearing up the fact that your comment can be dismissed since it’s full of contradictions.
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see thats your level. editing posts of others and posting on their behalf. so I take that christianity cannot stand in front of properly understood hinduism… I got my answer. thanks.
You continue editing my posts and posting here. Just like your christian clerks making false propagandas and trying to convert innocent tribes.
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Nice way to evade my question in my last response to you. Submitting a comment never guarantees it will appear in full, especially when they’re long-winded & just repeat the same thing the hundreds of other critics before you already said. Maybe you should try being more original. I only kept the parts that were somewhat different than what others said and I didn’t alter your words or their intent. That’s how I roll. It serves as a deterrent to trolls. I’ve already proven Christianity can withstand any lies that are thrown into the mix by Hinduism. So may I suggest that you repent and believe in Jesus for the salvation of your lost soul?
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Unfortunately the quotes you have made about Hinduism are not correct as the actual translation that you use as a basis is inaccurate. It’s a shame that you have to criticise others to make yourself more firm in your faith. Actually if you read verse 2.12 of Bhagavad-gita you will see that the eternality and individual nature of God and spirit souls is established: “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.”
There is no mention of ever being able to become one with God – but you can go to Him if you connect with him (and let go of material attachments). It’s a shame that you Christians are so unlike Christ. Where is the love, tolerance and compassion?
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@Prisca,
[Unfortunately the quotes you have made about Hinduism are not correct as the actual translation that you use as a basis is inaccurate]
What’s inaccurate is your own (mis)understanding of your own Hindu scripture. That’s easy to do since all Hindu scripture is inaccurate because they are contradictory, so it’s no surprise that you are also confused about your own religion. Hinduism teaches that the Vedas and other Hindu scripture are eternal, impersonal revelations of knowledge with no author. Therefore, the whole body of truth cannot be confined to written words. Scripture is merely part of the whole universal truth that has to be discovered over time. This leaves Hinduism open to accept “new revelation” from gurus and Brahmans at any given time. This is why you are confused and are denying what you know to be true–that the Bhagavadgita teaches that one can become a god (attain Supreme Brahman or supreme Abode) by yoga and performing “yajnas”, just as I stated in my post above.
I pointed out Hinduism’s glaring contradictions in this previous comment (https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/03/07/a-quick-comparison-between-hinduism-and-christianity/#comment-14929) and this one also (https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/03/07/a-quick-comparison-between-hinduism-and-christianity/#comment-7070).
[It’s a shame that you have to criticise others to make yourself more firm in your faith.]
Actually, it’s the other way around. I criticise other religions because I’m already firm in my faith.
[It’s a shame that you Christians are so unlike Christ. Where is the love, tolerance and compassion?]
You have the wrong Christ in mind. Being a Christian doesn’t mean you keep your mouth shut when others spread false information like Hinduism does. It’s Hindus in India, Bangladesh, and Nepal that are persecuting and killing Christians and burning their churches, not the other way around. So where’s the love, tolerance, and compassion that Hinduism supposedly teaches?
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Gay lord.. the bible talks about the coming of the anti christ.. you are it.. you speak like a snake twisting peoples words around to make yourself correct.. there is no saving for you… i can feel you hate.. be strong..
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woody,
That’s because you lack godly discernment, knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20)
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Thank you for your reply…. why do you always speak ill on to others. You dont know or understand the holy book.. you are spreading gods name in an incorrect way, just like the holy wars in the past and now in the middle east. Repent oh evil one.. go back into gods light.
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[why do you always speak ill on to others]
woody,
You mean like when you called me antichrist?
[You dont know or understand the holy book.]
You’re projecting. I speak against idolatry like my God Jehovah/Jesus Christ does. You’re the one speaking against me calling heathen practices what they are–ungodliness. Your comments show you aren’t in line with the true God and you don’t know the Bible. Deceiver.
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Gay lord.. we had a long discussion about you today at church.. we want to help you get rid of your anti christ ways. My church will call all other churches and pastors to talk and pray for you. The dutch reform church which i belong to is asking for your contact details please.. trust in the lord and you will over come your darkness..
Life is difficult but god has a plan for you and he knows best..
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Yeah, whatever. As if I would be so important and concerning to someone as deceived as you who can’t discern light from darkness. You’re spiritually blind and you need to know the real Jesus Christ, and not the false Christ that inspires you to try to defend the worship of false gods.
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LOL
Sorry Harry,
But woody’s comment just cracked me up! I can only imagine, all the old folks in church.
Talking about you, and how they think you’re the Anti-Christ…………………… Priceless
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I think woody out of desperation (or out of an assumption that I was born yesterday) made that up to somehow make his argument look legit.
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Hi Anonymous, do you know what’s priceless… you and harry are not going to heaven.. its sad, but god gave you a choice.. that is the road you are on.. we can help you change your path..
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@woody
[we can help you change your path]
You mean your path that includes Hinduism’s continuous reincarnations and its worship of devils? No thanks. I’ve found the way, the truth, and the life. His name is Jesus of Nazareth. Your false path is the broad way that leads to destruction. Deceiver.
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Harry.. pls pass my challange to anonoymous.. the minons.. will see gods wrath.. and pls inform him that im not hindu.. so both of you pls be aware of the wrath of god…
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this f****** article is all about praising christianity and insulting hinduism, u christian r killers just using the name of christ who does not even exists…
f****** christians….
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Anup also overlooks the fact that Christian aid workers risk their lives every day to help the sick and needy.
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Anup. Your anger and hatred show your true character. Is this your testimony about your faith. You have been seen for who you really are. There is a better Way that can bring peace and joy into your life, even in the face of opposition. True Christians know what I am talking about. Yes, there are those that kill and persecute in the name of Christianity, even other Christians. The Catholic Church persecuting Baptists is a prime example. What they have done is not biblical. There is but one truth and that is the Word of God. Jehovah God is the one true living God and He is able to open the heart of any who are truly seeking Him. Saul of Tarsus is one example of how He can turn a hater into a lover and the great things He can do in one’s life. I will pray for you.
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Dear Mr.Harry
u a!*!*!*
You dont know anything about hinduism.
Goddess Kali killed evil people , sinners not innocent people.
ya Lord Shiva is the destroyer , As we born then die so in all yuga There is destruction.of earth
And Lord shiva forgive them those who not only believe in him , those who do good karma (work).
Don’t make difference between God.
Beliefs of God created by Humans not by God .Religions made by Humans themselves.
Certain prayers meaning are same of Hindu & Christian.
So next time dont u dare to tell anything about Lord Shiva, remember its a sin insulting God.
And you are not authorized to make this differences leave it on Jesus.
Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen………………………..
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Shaantanu,
The fact that you have a potty mouth that speaks from the evil in your heart is enough to dismiss your comment. One minute you’re cursing at me and defending idolatry and the next minute you’re reciting the Lord’s prayer. It’s utter hypocrisy on your part. Even Hindu scripture points out the evils of shiva and kali as I stated in this previous comment.
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in hinduism,God is one but worshipped in many forms.
the way to salvation in your language is moksha according to hindus.for that there are four ways:the four yogas(jnana,karma,dhyana and bhakthi).to know more of jnana yoga read aurobindo’s book on jnana yoga.
to be simple, do your dharma.in srimad bhagavatham, dharma is personified as a bull with four legs-they are :truthfulness,mercy austerity and charity.
the principles of dharma is that you do good to others and do what you can for others’ benefit.direct this to the supreme and you will reach it.
another way is be good to others and practice bhakthi yoga,or path of devotion.fix a form of God in your mind and worship that form.
about kali and kali.
the goddess kaali is different from kali.
kali is the evil spirit of unrighteousness that entrs a man’s mind and sorrupts him materially and spiritually.in that case he becomes egoistic,enemity towards othersetc. and breaks all codes of dharma.(think of the four legs of dharma above).
there are many venomous lies youi spread abpout hinduism that i have no time(not that i dont know about them)to do now.see you next time.
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saroj,
If anyone is spreading venomous lies, your comment shows that it’s you. I’ve already touched on Hinduism’s false claim that they worship one god in many forms in this previous comment and in this previous comment where I said, “…Hinduism believes in many gods, separate deities. When they say there is one god, they mean there is one state of being for gods called the Supreme Brahman, and that all the different deities have obtained to that one state of being a god. That’s how they subtly and deceptively argue they believe in one god, but it’s really polytheisthic.”
Just because you Hindus keep repeating the same lies over and over in your comments here will not in any way make those lies true. You praise “dharma” as “truthfulness, mercy, austerity and charity,” but this is all just a pipe dream when one looks at how Hinduism is actually carried out in the real Hindu world. You still have an oppressive caste system and Hindu families carry out “honor” killings if they feel someone is bringing shame to them. One form of this “honor” killing (which is dishonorable since Jehovah says “Thou shalt not kill”) is the slaughter of female infants and the aborting of unborn females that still happens in large numbers. Where’s the “truthfulness, mercy, austerity and charity” in that? And where’s the truthfulness in the polytheistic system that you deceptively call “one god”?
You said that Hinduism teaches “fix a form of God in your mind and worship that form.” You’re admitting that Hinduism is idolatry. The Bible teaches that idolatry is creating a god that one conjures up in one’s mind (Exodus 32–the golden calf, Deuteronomy 32:17, and Romans 1), so thanks for confirming how true the Bible is and that Hinduism violates the First Commandment of the Ten Commandments.
If you’re so concerned about the truthfulness of “dharma”, then why are you lying about Kali? The goddess and “evil spirit” that you claim are separate are actually one and the same. This is why Kali is depicted in pictures (as displayed at Wikipedia) of her standing with one foot on her consort/husband Siva (Shiva) where she “has been executing a wild dance of carnage” leaving “evidences of Her reign of terror” where “garland of skulls is round her neck” and she “holds the bloody weapon and a freshly-severed head” in her hands (Source: Kali the Mother by Sister Nivedita).
Saroj, you’re a liar. And by using lies to defend Hinduism, you’ve proven Hinduism is based on lies.
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Four-year-old boy in India is strangled and beheaded by a man in a human sacrifice to the goddess Kali. http://christiannews.net/2015/10/04/four-year-old-beheaded-in-india-in-human-sacrifice-to-hindu-goddess/
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Here is a comparison of Hinduism and Christianity that may be useful: http://www.hinduismexposed.org
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injuntrouble,
Your link really isn’t very useful, since it is based on “Theosophy”, which is a covert term for Satan worship mostly made famous by Madam Blavatsky, a Luciferian spiritualist. It’s just as bad as Hinduism and other false religions. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by him. Any Bible based on the Textus Receptus is the only spiritual truth there is.
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I am glad you read it. Just ignore the last column to avoid Satan.
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hello, harry i am protestant christian since childhood i have believe whatever you say, one thing i dont understand is that why we celebrate sunday as sabath day while jews were celebrating saturday as sabath day, i ask this question because when i ask to some pastor they said we did it because jesus resurrection happen on sunday, but my heart does not agree, when i research about this its all made by catholic pope i mean pagan worshipper, if you know any christian fellowship who believe jesus and celebrate saturday please let me know i want to consider apart of them.
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Hi, doungel.
Seventh Day Adventists worship on Saturday. I don’t know what part of the world you’re located in but in parts of the US (larger cities mostly) some megachurches have a Saturday worship also. But here’s my take on what day to worship–>
https://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/constantine-the-sabbath-and-sunday-worship/
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I totally agree with this post. After my time researching other religions and seeing the teachings that they say, it does’nt even match up closely to what God’s Word says. Where did the idea of reincarnation come from? How do they know one can have an infinite chances of coming back from the dead? If you ask me, these ideas are like those of Plato, Socrates, and other philosophers with all other religions being nothing more than philosophy. Man can argue about their gods, but the Bible has full on examples of idols not being real, along with God speaking things such as: I am the LORD thy God, and beside me there is no other. And since God cannot lie in no way, it’s can’t be untrue. All that He says is untrue. And this post is not to bash on religions, but to open the eyes and heart of people because Satan has implanted strange things in man’s mind to make seem, feel good, but in reality is neither. Proverbs 14:12 speaks, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the ways thereof is death. Man isn’t all powerful, all knowing, eternal. We are limited, yet by Satan’s power He makes us do even in hoping to catch us falling for his tricks. Man will never become a god, no matter how much you believe in that.
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Jesus was an Avatar of Ayyappa, Son of Krisna and Shiva (when Krishna was a Woman named Mohini)…http://karma-dharma-bhutadaya.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-true-identity-of-jesus-revealed.html
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@Jeffrey,
Utter. Complete. Nonsense. You should really lay off the drugs and stay away from the devils you fellowship with. They’re leading you down the path that ends up in hell.
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Hinduism alias EGYPT has nothing to do with God but everything to do with EVOLUTION (holy cow) , its three main so-called gods denoting creation/sustainance/destruction is but a cycle of Evolution ,even its OM rather “ooom” is but the sound of Evolution, unto the prophecy of spiritually SODOM & EGYPT.
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abey,
The Roman Catholic Church, which you are a member of, is part of spiritual Sodom & Egypt you always mention when you come here to troll my blog. In 2016, your Pope Francis I even had a Maundy Thursday ceremony where he blessed “four Catholics from Nigeria, three Muslims from Mali, Syria and Pakistan and a Hindu man from India.” In that RCC ceremony he said “we are all brothers” and “people of God.” Pure blasphemy!
Yet you come here and give your holier than thou messages while you support your idolatrous church full of fornicating priests, including homosexual ones, who claim they are against abortion, but have been known to have babies aborted when they get nuns or other women pregnant. Your message would be more sincere if you stop being a hypocrite by supporting “Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth” who was exposed in Revelation 17.
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Substantciate your accusations biblically instead of vomiting through the holy cow.
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I already have shown you God’s word but you refuse God’s word for religious man-made traditions of the RCC, choosing to be spiritually blind to the truth. So please spare me your virtue signaling.
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You keep saying god’s word, god’s word but unable to spell out the Prophecy, speaking like a Christian but hindu in belief, holy cow
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Projecting much, abey? Your Pope in the link I sent is the one who blesses Hindus as you live in your idolatrous glass house while throwing stones. If you cared about what the Bible says you wouldn’t be propping up your false religion. If you can’t get Revelation 17 that I pointed out to you it means you would rather have false religion, the pedopohile priests, and worship of Mary that goes with it.
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To conclude, without prophecy your are not spiritually qualified to contend for the faith, leave alone hinduism not knowing what exactly it is in spite of revealing it , cause it takes the spirit of reception , which you have not, except make matters worse . How many hindus have you convinced in this thread , not one , other than showing your frustration through accusing the Catholic . FYI Pope Francis did not make the Catholic Church, the Church of Thyatira in revelations, note the Jezebel spirit that caused the protestant rebellion .She was given space to repent but did not repent , do you know why ? Don’t think you can answer just as you were not able to anwer earlier questions
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Pontificate until you turn blue in the face, but your church will always be the harlot in scarlet of Revelation 17 who has been made drunk by the blood of true saints of God your church has murdered since its inception to its murderous Crusades and Inquisitions up to our postmodern era. You don’t know how many Hindus I’ve convinced since you can’t know peoples’ hearts. The fact you defend/support a church that hides and defends child molesters is telling as to what spirit you really have, deceiver.
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BIble: Who can make war with the Beast”? Who can make war with America ?
America the Beast , so who is the WHORE that rides the Beast if not PROTESTANTISM out of the Jezebel , it takes an utter fool not to understand simple language.
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Typical twisting of God’s word by someone brainwashed by the RCC. The Vatican has been starting wars involving the U.S. since the U.S. Civil War and other wars around the globe before then (Crusades) and since then using Jesuits behind the scenes. You omitted from Revelation 17 that Babylon the Harlot sits on 7 mountains (hills) (Revelation 17:9) and that the harlot is a great city that reigned over the kings of the earth at the time John wrote Revelation (Revelation 17:18). Rome is the ONLY city that meets those criteria in addition to its other criteria of persecuting true Christians even to the death (Revelation 17:6), including our greatest President, Abraham Lincoln–assassinated by a Jesuit (John Wilkes Booth) who conspired with other Jesuits (Surratts, Mudd, et al.). Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God (Matthew 22:29). You are a deceived deceiver.
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BIble says of the manner: “For some entered in unawares – They were not of us – They be manifested-” Manifested as PROTESTANTISM -The children of Jezebel branched into thousands of sects where one does not agree with the other, denotes the many parts of theb body of Jezebel, torn away & eaten by dogs, today sunk in SODOM , even glorifying it.
So what ever mistake under the church of Thyatira was by the unrepentant Jezebel & her children inc. you who think they rebelled out , but actually booted (yourselves) out, to the words “So that they may be manifested” So now know who intimidates & twists things around, even to look at your whore your Queen in the line of whores (scarlet & purple) to Lincoln’s murder, & right in her arse you will see written ” Freemasonry mingled in Theosophy” & if this is not enough then you ought to know the revelation of the Transgendered One atop the freemasonic US Capitol Dome, off the synagogues of satan———.
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If you cared about the Bible you wouldn’t waste time & resources supporting the scarlet harlot of Revelation 17 with her Babylonish system that has made herself drunk with the blood of Christian martyrs and is the Mother of abominations, including the fact she shields child rapists. Jesus said those who commit an offense against a child deserve to have a millstone hung around their neck and to be cast into the sea. But instead the harlot you support defends and hides child rapists. You are a pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrite.
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I was Hindu. God bless you always! Amen!
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