Hinduism originated in India and cannot be traced back to a single individual who started it. It is a religion that began before Christ came to earth and is a conglomeration of various beliefs from Aryans who migrated to India mixed with the beliefs of indigenous people of India. Its teachings may differ from sect to sect of the religion, but here are some of its basic teachings compared to the truth that we learn from God’s word:
- Hinduism teaches that life is an endless cycle of rebirths (reincarnation) where all living things die in one bodily form but return in a different bodily form.
- The word of God says in Hebrews 9:27 “…it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
- According to Hindu teachings, men are in need of salvation from reincarnation to become gods and this salvation can only be obtained by ceremonial works such as yoga or having a guru assigned to you.
- God’s word says man is in need of salvation from his sins and this salvation can only come by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Furthermore, those who are saved will one day receive a resurrection body that will make them equal to the angels (Luke 20:36). Man will never be a god.
- Gurus are a little lower than a god, according to Hinduism.
- The Bible says man is a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:4,5; Hebrews 2:6-9).
- Hinduism is polytheistic. One of their goddesses is Kali, who murders people at will for enjoyment. Her lover/husband, the god Shiva the Destroyer (Destroyer is also Satan’s name in the Bible), is also merciless and seeks to destroy people’s lives for the fun of it. Sometimes the two gods are graphically depicted having sex and Shiva is also worshipped for his large genitals.
- The Bible says there is only one God (Ephesians 4:5-6) and he does not delight in destroying lives (Ezekiel 33:11).
- Hinduism promotes a caste system where some people are considered superior to others and are treated better.
- God’s word says having respect of persons (showing favoritism) based on one’s socioeconomic status or any other worldly status is evil (James 2:1-9).
- Hinduism says there is no absolute truth; truth is subjectively based on what each individual believes.
- Jesus said God’s word is the truth (John 17:17) and anything opposed to God or his word is evil (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22).
- Hinduism has Brahmans who are religious leaders that use astrology to direct their followers’ lives.
- Yahweh is against diviners and observers of times (Deuteronomy 18:10-14).
- Some Hindus think that the God of Christianity is Santa Claus because he rewards good and punishes the bad.
- Yahweh, who executes judgment and justice on Earth, rewards those who turn from their sins in repentance and punishes evil, but he is merciful and longsuffering and is willing to forgive any sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Santa Claus is not Christian or biblical, but is a creation of the Roman Catholic heresy.
- The gods of the Hindus do not forgive sins and are not interested in saving their worshippers. If someone does anything wrong, the individual has to face the karma that results from their actions whether they are sorry or not.
- The God of the Bible is always willing to show his mercy and forgiveness to those who are truly sorry for their wrongs and many times reverses the punishment the person would have received if they had not repented. (Isaiah 38:1-6; Jonah 3)
- In the Hindu text of the Mahabharata, Book 1: Ada Parva: Adivansavatarana Parva section LXIV, the Earth is described as being supported on the back of an elephant who is held up by a tortoise. In the Hindu text Vishnu Purana: Book 1: Chapter IV, the Earth is said to have been raised up from a huge ocean by a large boar with tusks and that the boar set the Earth to float on the summit of the ocean. [added June 20, 2008]
- In the Bible, in Job 26:7, it states that God hanged the Earth on nothing (i. e. he suspended it in space). While the Hindu scriptures obviously contradict each other and pass off fairy tales as the truth, the Bible states truth that was verified by science centuries after God revealed the truth to Job. [added June 20, 2008]
You can read more details about this devilish belief system here.
March 8, 2007 at 7:27 am |
Thanks for the comparison. I have Hindu friends, so this information is good to know.
April 9, 2007 at 9:49 pm |
- Matthew 11 & 17 talks about the reincarnation of Elijah.
- James, the brother of Jesus, also talks about salvation through works.
- Actually the scripture in Psalms 8:5 says “Elohim” or God NOT angels.
- Christianity is also polytheistic: God, Jesus, Holy Spirit are all God. Jesus was on earth while God was in heaven. He prayed to God, he talked about God, etc. The “mystery” of the Trinity does not really hide this fact.
- The Bible also promotes a caste system. The Israelites were better than everyone else. In fact Jesus himself called a Canaanite woman a dog.
- Christians also do not believe that God’s word is truth. Do women speak in church? Absolutely! Is marrying a divorced woman ok? Absolutely! All against the Word but cultural acceptable now.
- Christianity promotes astrology with the wise men following a star to the birth of Christ. Obviously there’s some truth there since they were dead on right about the birth of Christ (which they learned of from the stars).
November 5, 2009 at 2:05 pm |
Hey there- allow me to offer a few words of disagreement.
Matthew 11 speaks of the ministry of John the Baptist as a fulfillment of the ministry of Elijah- not a reincarnation of the prophet.
In Matthew 17 the prophet is seen as he was. According to 2 Kings 2, Elijah was taken to God’s presence without dying- so he cannot be reincarnated, having never died.
The letter of James is written to explian to Christians how their lives should look as a result of their salvation by grace. James’ argument is that dead faith is not true faith; those who claim to have new life should live out the princliples of that new life.
Psalm 8:5 does use elohim- but says that man is created lower than God; The writer of Hebrews is using the Greek Old Testament which uses the word ‘angels’
The Trinity is not polytheism. A concept that is difficult to explain to be sure- but each person of the Godhead is the same God- not different or seperate divinities.
The Bible has done more to equalize and harmonize the races. Misapplication of the texts by flawed people does not reduce the message of the Bible. Jewish exclusivism based on race was a sin that God judged them for. Check out Deuteronomy 7:7-8. A fair reading of the book of Acts shows a great inclusiveness regardless of gender or color or age. There is more going on in Jesus’ comment than a racial slur.
Some Christians do not believe that the Bible is God perfect word- but many of us do- based on careful thought and study. As far as women speaking in church- study is required to understand exactly what Paul was saying there. As a pastor, I will not remarry a divorced person except on Biblical grounds of abandonment or unfaithfulness by their former spouse. Please be respectful not to paint all of us under your broad brush strokes.
The Bible records astrological practice but it does not condone it. The Magi also had access to the Jewish Scripture- particularly Daniel -which also led them to conclude the birth of the Jewish Messiah.
Not a comprehensive response, but enought I hope to cause you to look more deeply into these matters.
In Jesus’ Name
November 8, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Good insight, PC. Thanks for sharing.
April 10, 2007 at 2:23 pm |
[...] April 10th, 2007 I had a bit of fun with this one. On Stellar1’s blog, “Christianity and the Role of Women – A Woman’s Place,” a blogger, harryagaylord, posted some comments in defense of the Bible’s view of women. As I do quite often, I clicked his name and browsed his blog Sun & Shield and came across this blog: A quick comparison between Hinduism and Christianity. [...]
April 10, 2007 at 4:14 pm |
The name of the post directly above should probably read “Twisting the Bible to support Hinduism” since that’s what is done in the two comments above. But I’ll have more on this in the next comment.
April 10, 2007 at 6:40 pm |
In the Matthew scriptures where Jesus speaks of John the Baptist, he is pointing out that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. He had the same type of calling from God that Elijah had. John was like Elijah, not the reincarnation of him.
James does not speak of salvation through works. He speaks of salvation resulting in works that follow as proof that one is saved. He just reiterated what Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.”
I cover the meaning of Psalm 8:5 in my post “Is man a little lower than God or a little lower than the angels?” as mentioned in my post above.
The Trinity is not polytheism since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Our one God manifests himself in three ways. Just because our finite minds can’t understand an infinite God doesn’t give us the right to place God in the box of our understanding.
The Israelites were not better than everyone else. Jesus died for all mankind because all have sinned. He called the Canaanite woman a dog to test her faith to see if she would be wise enough to persist on getting the miracle she needed for her daughter.
Christians sin just like everyone else but that doesn’t take away from what God commands us to do. Each of us has to answer to God for him or herself for our actions. The Bible allows women to speak in church. I will cover this in depth later.
Astrology is not promoted. Just like our astronomers look through telescopes to see what magnificent things are happening in the heavens (like the death of stars or approaching comets), these wise men who were scientists did the same. These men were not reading their horoscopes.
But, of course, I could talk until I’m blue in the face and you still wouldn’t get it because you’re a fool who loves sin and hates God. Yet, even in the midst of loving your sin, you are miserable deep down inside especially when you’re alone with no one else around to distract you from your wicked thoughts.
“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world [Satan] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt …” (Psalm 14:1)
May 11, 2007 at 8:12 am |
Namasthe: With all respects to you and Christianity, so many things you have written about Hinduism is NOT true.
1 Hindu scriptures state man’s problem is that he falsely identify himself/herself as the PERISHABLE, MATERAIL BODY. The moment he realizes that he is the IMMORTAL SOUL or ATMAN within the body, he will attain salvation or SELF REALIZATION.
Salvation is not to become gods. No scripture state like that. Salvation is to REALIZE ONE IS THE IMMORTAL SOUL WITHIN.
2 Self-Realization means that REALIZING ONE IS THE IMMORTAL SOUL and NOT the PERSISHABLE MATERAIL BODY.
3 Until one attains SELF –REALIZATION, man undegoes many births and deaths [ reincarnations.]
4. Hindu scriptures do NOT profess monopoly on God or truth.
5. According to Hindu scriptures SALVATION IS FOR ALL, irrespective one is Hindu or not.
6. SALVATION or SELF REALIZATION is attained through one of the four methods.
A. JNANA YOGA [introspection and meditation ]
B. KARMA YOGA [ unmotivated selfless actions ]
C. RAJA YOGA [ through Parnayama & other breathing exercises ]
D. BHAKTI YOGA [ through complete surrender to God ] Most people of all religions adhere to this method.
7. Hindus worship ONE & ONLY GOD, which is NAMELESS & FORMLESS and which expresses itself in trillions of forms. That is the reason why Hindus have no problem worshping that God by any name or form. Hindus have no problem worshiping that God as Jesus or Allah or Buddha or Krishna or Rama or anything you can think of .
8. All worships start with a God with NAME & FORM and when the devotee matures in devotion he or she ends up with a GOD, who has no name or form.
9 Hinduism DOES NOT promotes a caste system. True, Caste system started as DIVISION OF LABOR during the time of Rig Veda. But it got degenarated and it was sadly abused. In 1949, soon after independence from Britain, Govt. of India made it a criminal offense to practice UNTOUCHABILITY. Still in many parts of India, you can come across the ugly relics of caste system. I am so happy, today Govt. of India provides quota system for Untouchables, in all professional colleges, and in Government jobs. Now so many people including me is trying very hard to eradicate caste system completely in India.
10 The concepts of UTMOST FREEDOM OF THOUGHTS and ACTIONS. attract many to Hinduism.
Hinduism never forbids any one to question its fundamentals. There was never a SALMAN RUSHDIE [author of Satanic Verses] in Hinduism and never will be there one. Even atheists can call themselves as Hindus. That is very true. In fact the CHARVAKA philosophy or NASTIKA philosophy, [existed during the Vedic period] founded by CHARVAKA rejected the existence of God and considered religion as an aberration.
Voltaire in Essay on Tolerance wrote: I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it. Hinduism is the representation of what Voltaire wrote.
Thanks for reading.
May 11, 2007 at 5:31 pm |
In your attempts to sanitize the lies Hinduism teaches, you have only proven some points I made in my post. I did say that Hinduism has various sects with various beliefs and the points in my post highlight what the majority of Hindus teach.
You claim Hinduism never forbids anyone to question it. Then why is there so much persecution of Christians by Hindus in India? The website christianpersecution.info has many news stories of how intolerant Hindus are of Christians and of those who convert from Hinduism to Christianity.
Realizing that one is an immortal soul has nothing to do with true salvation. Hinduism’s version of salvation is not salvation at all. Salvation only comes through believing in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from sin and its impending punishment, not through breathing exercises or good works or meditation. Therefore, Hinduism says there are many ways to God or many ways to salvation. Your point 4 is what I said in my post about Hinduism’s claim that there is no absolute truth.
You claim a person has reached maturity in Hinduism when they end up with a nameless, formless god. This type of god is impersonal and is a force, a thing, and not a person. The God of Christianity is a person and can be known personally. He has a glorious spiritual form which no man has seen, yet at the same time he chose to appear in bodily form as Jesus Christ so men could see him and touch him. He has a name–Jehovah or Yahweh.
The salvation you claim to seek in your religion is really no salvation at all. The underlying theme of your salvation is that one must reach self-realization, but how do you know when you reach that point? Can you ever be 100% sure of it? No, you can’t. So you keep following meaningless rituals that get you nowhere with the vain hope that maybe you might one day reach your salvation. How pathetic! Those of us who truly believe in Jesus know for a fact we have true salvation (1 John 5:13). Our salvation is based on solid truth, not speculation or false hopes. Our hopes will one day be fulfilled because we serve a God who has predicted tangible events before they happened. Then when the specific events came to pass, he showed that he is the God who keeps his word.
June 15, 2007 at 1:05 pm |
I have never seen anyone as narrow minded as you Mr.Harryagaylord.
How do you know that what Bible say about salvation is true. Does the Bible give you any proof for it? How do you know Bible is not lying? Because it tells you about miracles? Every religion has miracles
Hinduism tells you what might be the real salvation and tells you to feel it for yourself while you live this life itself. It does not tell you to blindly and fanatically follow a book while hoping that will reward you in heaven…
Hinduism and Vedas tell you it is OK TO BE A SKEPTIC THAN TO BE A HYPOCRITE. GET IT?
Answer this simple question. If your logic of heaven and hell is right, what makes it right for God to create me and put me in a world where i will be vulnerable for sinning and then punish me for having sinned? I never volunteered to be born in this world. If God had asked me if you would like to be born in the world i would have told him to “BUG OFF”. why would i take the risk of sinning by being born in this world and risk eternal damnation?
Now if i have come into this world involuntarily, i have every right to protest against eternal damnation. The system of eternal damnation will be preposterously unfair…
So reincarnation is ok where you are given chances many times to live a sinless life all the while being temporarily punished by karma for your past sins. And in the end you become one with God. Fair enough? To me it is…
Because we have always been a tolerant lot Hindus take all the insults they can from fanatics like you, while steadily practicing our religion. It is so heartbreaking to see that you take our Ahimsa(non-violence) as our weakness and constantly pick on us…
Oh, btw about the Christians persecuted you said, it was by Hindutvavadis- a group of post-independent period fanatics, who are a new phenomenon to Hinduism. The ever-tolerant Hindu always believes in Ahimsa and hopes they will vanish soon.
And Christians too have persecuting Hindus in India. I can give you urls so that you can read about it yourself? would this ever happen anywhere else in the worls? a minority population persecuting the majority? It happens only in India and only for Hindus.
June 15, 2007 at 5:57 pm |
Mr. Harryagaylord,
Please read about the “Dvaita” system and “Puranas” within Hindu philosophy.
You will be able to discern the similarities about various things you mentioned about that are within the Bible.
You say the majority of Hindus teach that. Do you have any statistical evidence? Even if they do, thats a problem with misunderstanding, not a problem with the philosophy itself.
Please do not spread misinformation about a system/philosophy that you probably have no clue about.
Humbly,
Hindu
June 15, 2007 at 5:59 pm |
How do I know what the Bible says about salvation is true? Because historical accounts given in the Bible about the people who actually lived during biblical times (like the Herods) and their customs have been proven to be true through the years by historical records found by archaeologists. For example, the ruins of the city of Ur (where Abraham in the Old Testament grew up) were discovered in 1854 and then explored extensively from 1918 to the 1930s. Before then there was no proof it existed. In 1906, clay tablets were found 90 miles east of Ankara in Asia Minor (Turkey) that testified to the empire of the ancient Hittites mentioned in the Bible. Prior to these tablets, no history existed to tell that these people really roamed the earth.
There are many other great archaeological discoveries that verify what is in the Bible. And, I might add, no one has ever found Jesus’ body. Why? He rose from the dead like the Bible says. But one must have faith to please God, which you obviously don’t have. Once we come to God, he increases knowledge and verifies what he tells us. Your so-called gods only tell you lies and your gullible, sinful heart would rather have the lies than the truth because you love darkness rather than light.
Man is to blame for his own sins, not God as you say. Man chose to rebel against God and God established a universal law eons ago that evil must be punished and righteousness rewarded. He gave man a choice to either pay for his own sins by going to hell or accept Jesus Christ’s payment for our sin and go to heaven. It is man’s choice where he ends up. God is not willing that any man should perish, but he does not force people to make the right choice.
Your being born in this world is involuntary, but your choosing to sin and to remain a sinner is all your fault, especially after God shows you the way to avoid eternal damnation. If you turn it down, you deserve to go to hell. God has given you several chances over and over to make the right decisions. Reading this post was another chance from God for you to get things right, but once again you resisted God. If you’re on a road going towards a collapsed bridge and there are people and signs warning you not to go down that road but you choose not to listen, who’s at fault when you drive over the edge to your demise? God? I don’t think so.
Your belief system is worthless and cannot save you.
June 15, 2007 at 6:20 pm |
Mr. Hindu,
I don’t need to learn about any pagan philosophies in any Hindu writings. I already have enough on my spiritual plate fighting off my own sinful nature and outside attacks from Satan without adding more deceptions by reading things that promote falsehoods.
God told me in his word “Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jeremiah 10:2) and since his advice has never failed me, I’ll stick to it. Those who spread a different gospel than the one in the Bible are accursed, according to God’s word.
So far all of the responses I’ve gotten from Hindus to this post have only highlighted how true my post is. All of you have stated beliefs about Hinduism that I said Hindus have. You’re just upset because I point out the fact that Hinduism is a lie.
Alagu,
True Christians don’t persecute people. Just because someone says they are Christian doesn’t mean they’re Christian.
June 15, 2007 at 6:56 pm |
[God told me in his word “Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jeremiah 10:2) and since his advice has never failed me, I’ll stick to it. Those who spread a different gospel than the one in the Bible are accursed, according to God’s word.]
But how do you know that others are spreading a different gospel?
when you dont even know the content of the other philosophies.
I dont know much about Bible (and I accept that), but can safely assume that if it was a word of “God”, He could not have said “be intolerant towards others whether you understand their ways or not.”
June 15, 2007 at 8:53 pm |
I have researched Hinduism to know what it teaches. You implied in your first comment that I should read more about its philosophies to embrace its doctrines. The god of Hinduism is different than the true and living God who speaks in the Bible. The Bible is not “a word” of God, it is “the word” of God. The Bible states that anyone who does not preach that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for our sins, and rose from the dead after three days in the grave, is not a worshipper of the true God. That’s how I discern what is a different gospel.
Jesus Christ, who is God, taught us to love our enemies and do good to them, but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate their false doctrines. We as Christians are commanded to love God and to love our neighbor, but to hate sin and all false doctrine, including Hinduism, is sin.
June 15, 2007 at 10:04 pm |
Dear Sir,
Your views about Hinduism seem tp originate from some book bearing a title resembling-”Injya-the land of snake charmers and Hindoos”, written by somebody who can’t as much as name the continent India is in.
I am sorry, but you mention that you have done your research, and yet you hold such grave misconceptions-surely, and sadly, you have been doing research in all the wrong places.
-Salvation doesn’t make you “a god”. It makes you “one with God”. It makes you a part of the supreme being.
-Ceremonies and gurus only help-salvation is achieved only when you understand and embrace God.
-When it is said that gurus are a little lower than God-we don’t mean to undermine God’s importance. We are trying to convey the importance a guru plays-as he is the one who sets you off on the path towards God.
-Hinduism too believes in “one God”. In fact, most Hindu schools are monistic.
-Hinduism doesn’t PROMOTE or advocate a caste system (contrary to popular belief).
Having answered all other points, I now come to the last 2 points that you mentioned.
Pardon my use of such words, but they are nothing short of ridiculous. And to think that you mention having done some research!! I would love to meet the person who gave you such silly ideas about Hinduism!
Hinduism says that the main aim of one’s life is to try and attain the absolute truth. How one does this, is left to one’s discretion. That is, one isn’t bound by any particular text, methodology, ceremony, person, etc. to succeed in his quest for the absolute truth.
And as far as the last point is concerned, I am sure that you shall laugh at it some day when you come across some real Hindu scripture.
Kindly refrain from making such statements and comparisons – with a half-baked knowledge from unreliable sources.
June 15, 2007 at 10:24 pm |
Hmm Its so ironic, foolish and funny that people who couldnt even protect their Holy land are talking about salvation. Look mate first go and grab ur Holy Land and then try 2 argue with us. If ur a true lover of Christ then y dont u comeair on a TV show and put forward ur thought u creep. If it wasnt for imperialism then ur religion might have been limited to the wall of EUROPE. You people came to out land tried to destroy our culture but we have soo deep roots of our belief that it could not take away our faith from us. Be brave enough to acept the truth LOSER and find urself a job.
June 15, 2007 at 11:32 pm |
Mayank,
I have never even heard of the book you mention, so that’s not where I got my research from. The idea of becoming “one with God” is the same lie that Satan told Eve in the beginning when he said “ye shall be as gods.” It’s just different wording on the same idea and it’s an idea straight from the pit of hell.
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father (God, Jehovah) but by me.” Jesus Christ is the only one who can give man salvation. The only path a guru lays out is the path to destruction, or hell. The Brahmans and gurus promoted a caste system starting centuries ago which has only started to diminish in recent decades. As a matter of fact, Buddha started his religion to protest the injustices of the caste system set up by the Brahmans. Have you researched your history lately?
The Bible says we are sinners who are blinded by sin and Satan. Because of that sin, “every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD pondereth the hearts.” In other words, we can’t recognize our own sin until God points it out to us, so a person cannot use their own discretion to find absolute truth. “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death,” and that way includes false religions like Hinduism.
My knowledge is not half-baked or unreliable. You are deceived and walking in darkness. You need to repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord because he’s the only Lord. I will make as many statements as needed for as long as needed against any falsehoods that God allows me to speak against. I’ve been commanded by God to do so and I have to obey God rather than people like you who resist the truth.
Krishna,
The battle over the Holy Land of which you speak was not Christian. It was about a greedy Pope that headed Catholicism who was looking to increase his earthly influence. Catholicism is not, I repeat, NOT Christian. It is a cheap imitation of Christianity, just like Hinduism is a cheap imitation of the truth. You’ve gotten your history twisted. Don’t believe everything people tell you. If you took the time to investigate things for yourself instead of being so gullible, you might come to the realization that Jesus Christ is truly Lord and that you have been dead in your trespasses and sins which keep you separated from the true and living God.
I have accepted God’s truth and that’s why I’m more than a conqueror through Jesus Christ. That makes me a winner, not a loser, for I have obtained eternal life through him with victory over death, sin, and hell, praise God! Oh, BTW I have a job.
June 16, 2007 at 1:16 am |
Dont worry mate u will be slaughtered like a pig very soon. we knew the location of ur system……………
June 16, 2007 at 3:21 am |
Dear Harry
A hypothetical question:
Suppose I were born in an amazonian tribe and had lived all my life as a good individual adhering to the moral standards as prescribed by the tribal culture and having never had any expose to your false christian religion(i think it’s time i acted like a fanatic too) and in the end die as a tribal,
would i still be sent to hell for not having known Christ?
If that were to happen your god is the most unfair individual ever to have existed…
SO once again, I’M PROUD TO BE A SKEPTIC IN SEARCH OF KNOWLEDGE THAN TO BE A HYPOCRITE CHRISTIAN WHO ALWAYS HAS A DOUBT IN A CORNER OF THE MIND IF BIBLE IS TRUE…
And about the archaelogical data u gave, what does that have anything to do with the credibility of your false book bible and false prophet Jesus
Your false god is more like santa claus… kids are told santa rewards them if they are good. you are told ur false god will punish you if you are bad. to put it simply christians are kids who refuse to grow up and see the truth for themselves
November 16, 2009 at 10:03 am |
I know Jesus is with me i feel is presence all the time,you wont believe it but He has saved me innumerable times,He has transformed my life.i could go on and on about Him.God is more intelligent and just than all the intelligence of humanity put together,and i believe in His justice and wisdom.about your question its impossible to live a 100% moral life and God is so holy so perfect, for him even a white lie is intolerable,but He is a loving God and He has His ways which we should not question.My God sees my heart,my love for Him,i became humble in front of Him only loving Him never questioning Him,He is not abstract,He is real,If He is not real then this little life of mine makes no sense,its complete waste.I need a loving Father who takes care of me guides me,and trust me this love is such that no other human being can comprehend who doesnt have a personal and loving relationship with Him.
and ya so called hindu gods needs pujari(priests)to convey your offerings and feelings,mantras you cant comprehend,rituals you cant follow,hinduism was created by brahimins through the help of devil himself and braminis placed themselves high in the society where they were not supposed to work hard like farmers and eat freely in th name of the god how pathetic. and i was a hindu once i never felt anything in any temple okay.
June 16, 2007 at 4:17 am |
One more question: If your false god created the soul as per your false doctrine, who created your false god?
Hinduism tells God is an abstraction, a combination of Reality, Bliss and Consciousness. An abstraction exists irrespective of the existence of material world. So it would be dumb to ask who created Reality
This is how Hinduism tackles the question of existence of God…
Now if your false god aka santa is a supernatural being(or some kind of a space alien) who created this world, how did he actually come into existence?
June 16, 2007 at 4:26 am |
Hey
Everyone should read the book ‘ JESUS LIVED IN INDIA’!!!!!
thats written by a xtian brother…
June 16, 2007 at 8:04 am |
“There met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, htou Son of God are thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them as herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him. Saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go and when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.” (Matthew 8:28, 33.)
What is this your Jesus is doing?
1.destroy some innocent man’s property (herd of swine)
2.punish innocent creatures(swine who were feeding) for no fault of theirs
3.Disturbing creatures which were feeding.
These r things no sane cultured person will ever do leave alone a holy man. These verses r sufficient for Jesus not to be respected by any rational human being who respects other people’s property. Killing innocent craetures for casting away devils????
June 16, 2007 at 8:09 am |
“And the Lord God cause a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof: and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.” (Genesis 2:21, 22.)
1.Women made of man’s rib (in this age of science-u christians believe such absurdity?)
2.Why did biblical God have to wait for Adam to fall asleep and then remove the rib? Bad Planning. He should have kept a rib less in Adam while creating Adam and used that. Or better still why could not create a new rib altogether???????? Is he not all powerful???
So the Christian God does not know science or anythin about his own creation(not all-knowing).
He cannot plan his work properly (not omnipotent)
Such an incomptent being which cannot plan its work cannot be God.
The biblical God is no God at all. What kind of a God u worship?
June 16, 2007 at 8:43 am |
Rational,
The question about the pigs is raised by you only because your religion teaches that animals are reincarnations of people, which isn’t true. Swine are symbolic of being unclean. Furthermore, Jesus was demonstrating that all power in heaven and earth is given to him, since he is God.
All things were created by him for his pleasure. Jehovah is righteous and everything he does is done in righteousness and truth. Who are you, a sinful man, to question God as if you can bring some accusation against him?
Now for your question about Adam and Eve. God often does things symbolically. God put Adam to sleep to symbolize that he has power over man to do his good pleasure. Since Adam was asleep during the process of woman’s creation, Adam could not get any credit whatsoever for God’s idea. All the glory would go to God, not man. It also symbolizes that there are some situations in life where man should step back and let God have his way since he knows what’s best. Finally, Adam’s rib was used to symbolize the oneness (unity) that a man and woman should have in their marriage. Adam and Eve are not only literal, they are symbolic of what a man and his wife should be together as long as the Earth stands.
June 16, 2007 at 9:00 am |
Alagu,
For your question about Amazonian tribes I’ll let the Bible answer it for you.
“For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without [God's] law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another) [i]n the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” Romans 2:11-16
“As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God [because he chooses one over another]? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it [salvation] is not of him [man] that willeth, nor of him [man] that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault [with men]? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” Romans 9:13-21
June 16, 2007 at 11:29 am |
[The god of Hinduism is different than the true and living God who speaks in the Bible.]
The “God” in Hinduism is the “Supreme Truth”. The all-pervading. Yes, “God” can appear in human form too.
Are you suggesting that “God” is a one-shot wonder who just came down once and never appeared again? Or that he is limited to geographic boundaries and language boundaries?
Hindus appreciate the presence of “God” in everything that is nature.
You may have researched some Hindu writing, but may be there is need for more.
June 16, 2007 at 11:47 am |
[The Trinity is not polytheism since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Our one God manifests himself in three ways. Just because our finite minds can’t understand an infinite God doesn’t give us the right to place God in the box of our understanding.]
You have said it all.
Dont you recognize that people could be pursuing other manifestations of the same “God” that you believe in?
Or are you suggesting that “God” became had the capaibility to make just one “Son”?
June 16, 2007 at 11:50 am |
Brother Harry,
Your post yet again prove how unfair your hypothetical God is…
How could He make someone be born into a different religion and then eternally damn him for that.
Before saying anymore on that I choose to wait for you to answer my other question. How did this supernatural being called God come into existence?
My religion says He/She/It is an abstraction who/which is a combination of Truth, Bliss and consciousness… Human soul is similarly an abstraction only lacking consciousness
June 16, 2007 at 11:51 am |
Without any reference to the “Bible”, with your own rational thought, if you are even a little bit intelligent, please prove that “God” exists.
I dont want to hear any circular logic, that a human being said he was “God”….”God” spoke this….this got written in the form of a book (Bible)….and so he is “God”.
June 16, 2007 at 4:57 pm |
Alagu,
Jehovah, the Creator of the universe and the natural things in it, has no beginning and no end. He is not a created being and has always existed. “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Psalm 90:2)
“Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.” (Psalm 93:2)
“The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms” (Deuteronomy 33:27)
“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king” (Jeremiah 10:10)
Once again, you’re blaming God for something evil man is responsible for. God does not make someone be born into a different religion, man does. Specifically, a person’s parents often teach their children their idolatrous practices. Why did Hinduism and other false religions start? Here’s the answer:
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 1:18-25)
The archaeological data I mentioned above is an example of God’s progressive revelation to man over time. Before the archaeological finds mentioned, the Bible named places that were thought to be fairy tales. Then when proof was found that the places and people actually existed, it confirmed that the Bible was accurate the whole time that men doubted what was said. The Bible is not a book of science, but God gives scientific proof in his word so that even if a scientist does some genuine investigating, he will discover that God speaks what is true in the Bible.
June 16, 2007 at 5:11 pm |
Hindu & Atheist,
I noticed that you have the same email and IP when I went to moderate these comments. Which one are you? A Hindu or an Atheist? You can’t be both. Maybe you’re a fraud? Or you can’t make up your mind which one you want to be? “A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways”, according to the Bible. So you’re obviously confused. When you make up your mind about who and what you are, maybe then I will be able to respond to your comments.
June 16, 2007 at 5:41 pm |
First,
Yes, I have the same email id. I am the same person.
However, since the question I am asking has a different flavor, I changed my name. One example of how the same entity can have different names in different situations. Extrapolate this idea to “Jesus”, “Krishna” “Allah” etc.
Second,
I am not confused. A Hindu can be an athiest. You should know this by now if you have read and understood Hindu philosophies completely.
June 16, 2007 at 7:03 pm |
When I made my comment that you can’t be both, I was speaking from my knowledge of atheism. The word atheism means “without god.” It is the belief that there is no god. So since you ascribe to Hinduism, which is a belief in a god, you are not atheist. So yes, you are quite confused.
June 16, 2007 at 7:37 pm |
The confused Hindu Atheist also submitted the following comments:
[Let me say this.
Hindus do not “fear” God. We love “God”. We love “God” so much that we do not want to be seperated from him at all. We want to be one with God.
In fact, we (not just Hindus, but everything in the world) are already one with God. If God is all-pervading, there is nothing that is devoid of God. I agree with you that it is very difficult to realize the true all-pervading form of an inapparent “God”. The path is not easy. That it is easier to relate to a human incarnation of “God”. But the truth remains that “God” exists outside that human incarnation and “God” exists everywhere, even within you and me. That is the realization (not just in knowledge, but in day-today life, in practice).
If everything is controlled by Jesus, your ideas and my ideas are also controlled by Jesus. So, are you saying that Jesus put the right ideas in you and wrong ideas in me? Hah, what tomfoolery, what delusion.
The path you take to get to the realization can be a monotheistic view, polytheistic view, athiestic view, panthiestic view.
But the answer will be the same.
For a moment, think with an open-mind, does it really matter what name you call “God” with?
If anyone is insulting God (Jesus), it is you by placing humane/language/geographic boundaries.]
Then he said,
[[“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king” (Jeremiah 10:10)]
That does not say that Jesus is.
[Why did Hinduism and other false religions start? Here’s the answer:
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; ]
Well, see it was really the mistake of “God” then. He first created man and then did not show up for thousands of years as “Jesus”. And when he did, he did not travel around the earth and inform people that he had descended upon earth.
So, why blame it on people of other religions. It was really the mistake of “Jesus”.
And since “Jesus” made such a stupid mistake, it is hard to believe that he is “God”.]]
And his final comment was:
[Mr. Harryagaylord,
I do not want to disrespect your beliefs. I consider that Jesus was as much a God incarnate as Krishna was or Buddha was.
We can go on endlessly pointing out mistakes in the logic of each other and not reach an agreement.
Instead of trying to prove the superiority of one religion over another (which you cannot), please utilize your time wisely in the service of God. Otherwise, you may end up in “Hell”.
With all due respect
Signing off,
The Hindu Athiest.]
He has proven his confusion by his own words. First he argued that Jesus was not God and his next comment was that Jesus is a god like Krishna or Buddha. He opposes himself because he really doesn’t know what the truth is. Inadvertently, he has proven the scripture about a double-minded man being unstable.
He implies that having a post such as this can end up taking me to hell when, in fact, not believing that Jesus is Lord is what causes people to go to hell. Since I believe Jesus is Lord, there’s no chance that I will go to hell.
Why do I know that I am using my time wisely by posting information about false religions like Hinduism? Here’s why:
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)
June 16, 2007 at 7:55 pm |
Mr. Harryagaylord,
What I wrote initially were analogies to point out loopholes in your theories.
That does not amount to falsifying “Jesus”. It amounts to removing your misdeductions of Jesus’s words.
Later, I gave you reasons why I respect your path.
Collectively, I have explained how all paths will lead to the “Supreme Truth”.
[“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)]
I can claim that you are indulging in darkness based on the above statments if I believe that only “Krishna”, not “Jesus” is God.
For you to pick and chose my statements out of context and misconstrue them is devilish.
As much as Jesus told your religion that “He” is the only “God”, Krishna also said that “He ” is the only “God”.
However, I am not NOT respecting your opinions, simply because of humility.
I will not indulge in ridiculous debate. Look within yourself, and hear to the voice of “God”.
try to understand the concept of “Heaven” and “Hell”.
You safely claim that you will go to “Heaven”.
Do you think its mauritius or hawaii that you have bought a plane ticket to?
June 17, 2007 at 4:15 am |
I am sorry brother
I would like to put forth my religion’s views on God here and try to show how it is more rational than to believe a supreme being just existed (what a load of bull?)
But your mind is so darkened by ur blind faith in Bible and prejudice against Hinduism, that i don’t think you will ever put up a rational argument without quoting the Bible and using your rational mind or common sense.
Just bcoz Bible says Hinduism is false, the truth does not get destroyed. The truth is the truth, no matter how many liars call it false.
AND UNDERSTAND THAT HINDUISM IS NOT A RELIGION. It is an approach to various religious thinking- Pantheism, Monotheism and Atheism.
Hinduism tells you to explore if Atheism is true too. I am a pantheistic Hindu. the poster Hindu Atheist is an Atheistic Hindu.
Your previous post has shown everyone that your claim of knowing about Hinduism is a BLATANT LIE. SHAME ON YOU…
June 17, 2007 at 12:25 pm |
Since you want me to get away from talking about the Bible, I’ll highlight what is taught in some of the Hindu sacred texts instead.
“Then they draw out the penis of the horse and place it in the vagina of the chief queen, while she says, ‘May the vigorous virile male, the layer of seed, lay the seed’; this she says for sexual intercourse.” in the unedited version of Satapatha Brahmana 13:5:2:2
“If a man see himself in the water, he should recite the following verse: ‘May there be in me splendour, strength, glory, wealth, virtue.’ She is the best of women whose garments are pure. Therefore let him approach a woman whose garments are pure, and whose fame is pure, and address her. If she do not give in, let him, as he likes, bribe her (with presents). And if she then do not give in, let him, as he likes, beat her with a stick or with his hand, and overcome her, saying: ‘With manly strength and glory I take away thy glory,’–and thus she becomes unglorious”
from Brihadâranyaka Upanishad 6:4:6-7
“Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: ‘I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor’” from Brihadâranyaka Upanishad 6:4:9, 21
So here are three examples of immorality promoted in Hindu sacred writings–bestiality, beating women, and raping women. How is that God-like? If all religions lead to God, why would the Hindu writings contradict the Bible, which has penalties for bestiality, violence against women, and rape?
November 16, 2009 at 9:44 am |
I thank you brother harry, for the quotes and references you provided. Satapatha Brahmana 13:5:2:2 is a fascinating translation by a non Indian called Julius Eggeling. He attempted to translate the ancient scripture in the English language which is not very possible as the language of English is painfully limited. Therefore I advise that the version you are refferring to is not reliable. The second refernce you have given is again a version only entertained by one sect called ‘The Divine Life society” and does not reflect the views of all Hindus nor does it yet again provide thorough translation in its attempt to render this in English. Again the reference you have chosen is flawed. If there is any other material that you may have refferred to, then please advise so I may look into that. Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, the limited nature of the English language does not allow proper translation and to a non Hindu may sound very misleading.
The references to sexuality in Hinduism is more about sex education rather than sinful pleasures. The western world has only very recently realised the importance of sex education after learning the hard way that the lack of education about sex leads to immorality at so many levels. The modern day school curriculum are only now introducing proper sex education. This wisdom was available to ancient Hindus and was therefore laid down in the texts. I hope that this throws some light on why there is a mention of sexuality.
Yet again, if there is any other reference material that you need verified, please feel free to reply and I shall follow that up for you.
November 17, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Rohit,
First of all, we’re not brothers since we don’t have the same spiritual father. My Father is Yahweh, the only true and living God.
Secondly, why are you lying about the Hindu sacred texts I’ve quoted here? You know very well, if you’re a real Hindu, that the Satapatha Brahmana is a division within the Vedas that is considered part of the central canons of Hinduism and is used to influence Hindu law. Your attempt to try to discredit it from its importance in all of Hinduism is feeble and disingenuous. So stop your lying. The only flaw the Satapatha Brahmana English translation has is that it is false doctrine that teaches things that go against God’s truth such as it’s promotion of bestiality as shown in the quote from it that I gave.
The Upanishads I quoted are just as accurate. The references are clearly NOT about sex education. When the language clearly portrays a man forcing himself on a woman (his wife or anyone else), this is not sex education whatsoever. It’s brutal, ungodly, criminal rape!
June 17, 2007 at 12:53 pm |
The ‘She’ mentioned in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad is the wife of the aforementioned man. Although forceful sex is approved here, in the past a man had the freedom to these things to his wife, which we may not approve of in the modern age.
In any case the Bible commands the wife to act subdued to her husband.
June 17, 2007 at 1:35 pm |
And more importantly- Hinduism does not say this will provide the man in question Self-Realisation.
Hinduism is a religion based on attaining knowledge. It is not a religion that illogically says morality will provide you Self-Realisation, because it has always acknowledged MORALITY IS RELATIVE…
June 17, 2007 at 3:03 pm |
[In any case the Bible commands the wife to act subdued to her husband.]
The Bible also says a man should love his wife with the same respect and love he shows for himself, even to the point of sacrificing himself for his wife’s benefit. Both partners in marriage submit to each other (Ephesians 5:21-33), so marriage is a two-way street. Violence against women is never condoned in the Bible.
Hinduism may be about attaining knowledge, but in the process the Upanishads and other writings promote customs and traditions that Hindus should fulfill while attaining their worthless knowledge.
Christianity is not about self-realisation, it’s about realising who the true God is and presenting one’s life as a sacrifice to him. It is man-made religion that is centered on self. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves…” (2 Timothy 3:1-2). So clearly the Bible speaks against being self-centered.
Since morality is relative in your mind, and Hinduism embraces all beliefs, why are you arguing against my beliefs? If morality and truth are relative that means I can say and do whatever I want and you should accept it, according to your false doctrine. So maybe it’s time for you to back off. Right?
Apparently, since you’re arguing with me then you must not believe your own Hindu teachings. Or maybe you’re as confused as the Hindu Atheist.
June 18, 2007 at 12:17 am |
In Matthew(10:34 – 36, this is what Jesus says:
“….Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”
These sattanic utterances(setting at variance one against another) are not becoming of a holy man like Jesus. Explain how Jesus who utters these words can be called “Living God”.
I had tremendous respect for Jesus until recently. But u know what buddy? In various fora, I came accross such vile and abusive language(much more abusive tahn yours) used by Christians against hindus and muslims that I decided to read the bible. And after coming accross the above verses and swine incident, I have lost all respect I had for Jesus. U believe in such a Satanic God. No wonder, you guys do Crusades, Holocast, Jalainawalla Bagh Massacre(murder of innocent unarmed civilians),bombing innocent civilials, apparatheid, racism(no woman or black or bown-skinned person has become Pope), demonisation of Hindus, Demonisation of Jews, demonisation of muslims….
June 18, 2007 at 12:47 am |
“Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 30-38.
30. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.”
See Holy bible containing incest. Ok even whether incest is moral or not is open to debate.But what deceiving a man with wine?????Your holybook contains “incest”.
See buddy, I will now tell u the problem. The holiest book of Hindus is the Bhagvad Gita. It does not contain such things as 1.incest;2.childish concepts about God as in Genesis;3. Harming innocent creatures quitely grazing away for no rhyme and reason.4. Wisdom and knowledge bringing grief;5. camel passing through the eye of needle; 6.setting one at variance with another;
(Of course, I confront orthodox hindus for their s*#!?y things including believing in birth-based caste and useless vedic rituals when Gita is against these concepts).
But u see buddy, even a rational person like me does not like all the above things just to mention a few. Hindus dont want such a s#!*?y book with incest and all to be forced on them. Your evangelists cross all the limits. They use unfair tactics and deceive the poor into converting. That is why they r resented. Of course, I deplore violence against them. I prefer the debate route and intellectual offensive against ideas. Your ideas of “virgin birth”, “resurrection from dead” if embraced will take humanity several giant steps backward. Hindus want forward movement.
June 18, 2007 at 6:36 am |
Harry,
[There are many other great archaeological discoveries that verify what is in the Bible. And, I might add, no one has ever found Jesus’ body. Why? He rose from the dead like the Bible says. But one must have faith to please God, which you obviously don’t have.]
I agree with Salih and not with you. Please read the book “JESUS LIVED IN INDIA”. It’s a great archealogical breakthrough.
[Hinduism may be about attaining knowledge, but in the process the Upanishads and other writings promote customs and traditions that Hindus should fulfill while attaining their worthless knowledge.]
To attain salvation humans need not follow all of the customs. There were/are Sadhus still living in India who have no idea of a Lady or Woman.
June 18, 2007 at 10:27 am |
Harry,
I’ve been involved in creating my own blog on my religion Advaita Vedanta for the past two weeks. I really can provide with all counter-argument i need to right now on this blog.but it seems like i’m clustering whatever i wanted to say on my blog, here. So once i complete mine, i will post the links here(if you wish to hear my counter arguments).
Sorry for the inconvenience.
But i can provide you the answer for your last question
[If morality and truth are relative that means I can say and do whatever I want and you should accept it, according to your false doctrine. So maybe it’s time for you to back off. Right?]
Wrong. Hinduism never asks you to give up what you think is right as long as it is tolerant and you are not pre-judiced against other religions. Hinduism does not even have a ritual for conversion. bcoz Hindus believe you can practice whatever religion you want and still attain salvation(we call it Self-Realisation) when you practice the yogas(not the ohysical postures that come to ur mind)
What you practice is Bhakti yoga(devotion to God while believing Christ is God)? So i have no problem if you remain a Christian.
Only that you are not aware there are 3 other yogas too which lead to salvation and i’m practising one of those.
June 18, 2007 at 10:29 am |
what happened to the link i provided regarding “Rape in Bible” dude?
June 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm |
Rational,
The way you spouted off in your 19 comments you barraged me with weren’t very rational. You can get your point across more rationally, I’m sure. During the week I’m often busy and it takes me awhile to get to moderate comments, so I only included 2 of your 19 here. I have a whole post explaining how Jesus did not come to send peace but a sword. It’s titled “God causes domestic disturbances” so I won’t go into detail. You can read it at your leisure. FYI, as I have said before, Christians are not responsible for the Crusades and other atrocities you mentioned (Nazism, Holocaust, fascism, etc.). These were conjured up by the Vatican. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. People like the Popes only claim to be Christian to make genuine Christianity look bad. The goal of the Vatican has always been world domination at any cost by destroying anyone who stands in their way. I explain this in several of my posts if you click my tag on “Catholicism.” The Popes are antichrists and I have no regard for them.
There are many sins recorded in the Bible that man commits due to his sinful nature. The story of Lot and his daughters is an account of a family that lived in vile Sodom and illustrates the evil influence such a place had on them after it was destroyed. These sins are not condoned, just recorded for us to learn what not to do. In Leviticus 18:6, God commands “[n]one of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD,” then he explains in detail the types of sexual relationships that are forbidden up to verse 18 of that chapter. You can curse the Bible all you want. One day you will be judged by God’s standards recorded in it. Your rejection of it and anyone’s rejection of it will not change God’s truth one iota.
Ramkumar,
It is not necessary for me to read “Jesus lived in India.” Jesus Christ said “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs…” The only true Jesus lived in Israel, mainly in Galilee. I don’t have to search out another Jesus based on false science made to look like genuine science.
As far as the customs and traditions of the Upanishads, I should’ve phrased it with they discuss actions that are “allowed for Hindus”, not “Hindus should fulfill.”
Alagu,
I don’t practice yoga, period. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ. That has nothing at all to do with the sinful practice of yoga. I am commanded by God’s word to reject any other gospel than what is in the Bible, according to Galatians 1:8. If you want to accuse me of being prejudiced or intolerant for obeying God and rejecting the false doctrines of Hinduism, so be it. I live my life to please God, not sinful man.
As far as your link about rape in the Bible, I deleted it. My blog is for glorifying God and his word, not raising doubts about it. You can use your own blog for that. The Bible records incidents of rape for the same reason I mentioned to Rational about the incest above. Here’s what God says about rape–”But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her,” Deuteronomy 22:25-27. So raping someone is like murdering someone and it deserves the death penalty.
I think at this point it’s fruitless to continue arguing back and forth. All of the Hindus and non-Christians who have left comments aren’t going to change their views no matter how many questions I answer and I am definitely not going to change my Christian views no matter what you guys say, so I think this should be the end of our arguments/discussions.
September 20, 2007 at 7:22 pm |
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September 22, 2007 at 1:32 pm |
Kali means black time, and she is responsible for bestowing the boon of life as well as death. I think the mythological idea that underlines this symbolism is that all who are born will die, such is the nature of our time-bound existence. Biblically, the LORD also gives life and takes it away, but it would be unfair to misrepresent, the Christian God as a merciless ogre who devours his children, without taking into account that God is also the giver of all life.
You equate Shiva with Satan, because Satan is known as a destroyer. They are both destroyers (as is the LORD God), but in different contexts.
Shiva in his own right is both the Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer of the cosmos, or creation. He destroys the universe to create everything anew, much in the same way that the Bible says that creation will be destroyed by fire, and a new heavens and new earth will be created. The big difference is that the Hindu cosmos is a series of endless cosmic eons, repeating the process of cosmic death and recreation.
It it helps you can read my article about Hinduism and the senses, which might give you some idea about the different ways Hindus approach the divine.
September 22, 2007 at 3:41 pm |
Shiva is called Destroyer because he takes sadistic pleasure in taking lives and his followers often try all kinds of things to no avail to appease his anger against them. The God of the Bible is a forgiving and patient God, unlike Shiva. The true and living God, Jehovah, says “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? … For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.” (Ezekiel 18:23, 32)
Shiva’s followers worship his penis. Genuine Christians don’t worship anyone’s genitals and Jehovah, the God of the Bible, is never mentioned as having any since he is a spirit and doesn’t need sex organs to create anything.
Followers of Shiva have seen him in their visions with serpents wrapped around him to do his evil bidding. In the Bible, the majority of the time serpents are mentioned they are symbolic of evil people and Satan.
February 26, 2008 at 11:45 pm |
Just so people know the shiva linga does not represent genetals (common misconseption) and shiva does not kill for enjoyment, he is the god of death, so to speak. Bharma the creator, Vishnu the preservor, and Shiva the destroyer. They are the trienty of life. Kali is a demon, not a god. I suppose he would be the equivelent of satan.
February 26, 2008 at 11:49 pm |
there are two types of kali’s i forgot to mention. One is the satanic demon, and the other is the godess who is blood thirsty.
February 27, 2008 at 7:08 pm |
[...shiva linga does not represent genetals (sic) (common misconseption (sic))]
That’s strange because I got the information that Shiva’s genitalia are worshipped from someone who worshipped Shiva. I also got a comment from an angry Hindu that I chose not to post who spouted off about the virtues of why it was a good thing to worship penis and that Christians are too repressed when it comes to sex. Thanks for confirming Hindus worship evil.
March 6, 2008 at 3:43 am |
It seems you judgments on people that you don’t know very much about. God is love and copassion, the hindu religion teaches this, as well as christianity. We should just learn how to coexist and not have bigotry toward one another. It seems you have a bias opinion. Stop trying to subject your opinions on others.
March 6, 2008 at 10:48 pm |
Yes, I do know about Hindus and Hinduism. Hinduism teaches love and compassion to a certain point but that is only one small microcosm of what they teach. Jehovah (Jesus Christ) teaches love and compassion as well but he also speaks out against sin and punishes sin.
I have no problem whatsoever coexisting with people of other religions and lifestyles, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t point out their wrong teachings when necessary. I have the freedom to speak the word of God just like they have the freedom to speak their false teachings. Speaking the truth against sin is not bigotry.
I’m also not forcing my opinions on others. No one is being forced to come to this blog and read what I have to say. Nor am I going out and torturing people to force them to agree with me or die.
March 29, 2008 at 2:05 pm |
I believe that it there is some degree of logical underhandedness in describing the release from the cycles of rebirth as “salvation” and then objecting to someone else’s use of the term “salvation” in describing what you have already called by that word, and pointing out that that is not “salvation” as you perceive it. Also, I believe that you are not interested in modifying your viewpoints or wholeheartedly embracing any of the points made by any of the individuals who have attempted to point out differences of opinion. And, it is neither here nor there that some Hindus have misunderstandings regarding the role of Santa Claus in western culture; it seems odd to blame Hindus for a lack of knowledge when you display your willingness to take shelter in deeply entrenched beliefs that you have no desire to change. However, in closing, the readiness of Hindus to acknowledge Santa Claus as a religious figure is very instructive with regards to Hindu beliefs. In the basic math of karma-yoga, Santa Claus rewards good actions and, although not with the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament God, punishes bad actions with things like a lump of coal. The view of Hindus is that, even in the microcosm of Santa Claus, much cab be learned and enlightenment can be achieved, freeing one from the infinite cycle of rebirth.
March 29, 2008 at 2:09 pm |
This is so profuse with errors I don’t know where to begin. “Some” Hindus believe Santa Claus is the Christian God? Sure, “Some” people also believe that Saddam carried out 9/11. Apparently, “Some” people believe that Hinduism entails signing up for yoga classes to attain everlasting life.
And, I’m sure the fact that Shiva’s moniker is the Destroyer, also means he is the Destroyer referred to in the Bible (Satan). God, it seems, loves to drop subtle hints like that.
I feel bad for the poster of the first comment, who is going to use your “information” (better read, “misinformed opinions”) since they had Hindu friends. If he tried to pass most any of this off as truth, he would look like an ass. So, if you wish to share such information with people, and preface it by suggesting you actually know what you’re talking about, do your readers a favor and post information of substance, so, again, they don’t come out looking like fools.
I suggest you read original or review material on Hinduism (i.e. books not random web pages; as this page suggests truth and the Internet mix like oil and water). Maybe you think Hinduism is such a “devilish” system that _researching_ actual _facts_ will send you to Hell as an accomplice. I promise that won’t be the case. Send an email and I’d be glad to recommend some reading material.
July 10, 2008 at 12:18 am |
The funny thing is that Hindus don’t see a need to compare their religion with others, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism et al. Hindus believe that religions are like rivers. There are many, but they all flow into the ocean. Likewise, there are many religions, but they all lead to God. Men may call him Jehovah, Allah or Krishna, but it is the same God, the eternal truth; one that is never born and shall never die.
Mr. Gaylord, you claim to be a devout Christian but are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ himself, who said, “Don’t judge and you won’t be judged; don’t condemn and you won’t be condemned, forgive and you shall be forgiven, give and you shall receive” – Luke 6:37-38.
You either know not the teachings of Hinduism OR you are a narrow-minded exclusionist who fails to appreciate the diversity of mankind.
I hope God (by whatever name you address him), gives you enlightenment, frees you from hatred & bigotry and gives you peace of mind.
July 10, 2008 at 5:43 pm |
Venkat,
Your arguments are nothing new and they lack originality. If Hinduism has no problem with any religions, then why do Hindus and Muslims in India attack each other for domination? Why do Hindus persecute Christians in India? Hindu families even disown family members who become Christians.
You have also made the same mistake others make who say “don’t judge.” By calling me narrow-minded, you are making a judgment. You’re misquoting Jesus Christ and I have a whole post on what he meant if you want to be enlightened. Allah and Krishna are not the same God as Jehovah who also revealed himself in the human form as Jesus Christ.
Clearly by what I’ve placed in this post, I know enough about Hinduism to know it’s a lie and is organized to deceive people. Speaking out against the sin of idolatry or speaking out against any sin is not “hatred & bigotry.” It’s all about hoping that people like you who are deceived will see the light and turn from the lies you’ve been taught to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the only one who can free men from their sins.
It’s your choice not to accept the truth, but the truth is not going to cease from being true just because you won’t accept it. Jesus is the only true Lord.
September 9, 2008 at 7:48 am |
Hey harry,
You have serious false beliefs against the religion hinduism. As one of my friends mentioned in a reply it is very much true that hindus in general dont have any problem in going to a church or mosque and pray to the god almighty. Be it Lord krishna, Jesus or Allah.
Coming to your querieis then why
a)Hindus disown their family members if they marry a christian?
It is only a few group of people who are hardcore religious behaves in that fashion.
b)Christian converts getting murdered..?
Again it is been done by hardcore religious fanatics.
So my point a true hindu doesnt do all these things he believe in god the almighty and never degrade a persons belief or faith or his religion.
So i consider you as one among those new christian fanatics who is slowly injecting this false theories against the hindus who are somewhat similar to those hindu and muslim fanatics who kills people, does terrorism around the world all in the name of god.
If you are a true christian dont degrade other religions by telling false and fantasy stories made by cheap useless christian websites.
Regards
Human being
September 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm |
True Christians speak the truth in love, as I have stated before, in spite of who is offended. The Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only true Lord, set the example when he walked this earth by confronting the religious leaders of his day about their religious misconceptions and false doctrines. But they refused to accept the truth by arguing with him, making false accusations against him (like you’ve done in your comment against me), and they ultimately killed him. I have done nothing more than what Jesus did by highlighting the lies that Hinduism teaches and comparing those lies with the truths in the Bible that give people true freedom from the bondage of their sins, if they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I make no apologies for what I have said here because it’s all true. Hinduism oppresses people and this was proven to be true as recently as in the last week or two when there was flooding in India. The people in the upper parts of the caste system established by Hinduism were rescued while the “untouchables” at the bottom of the caste system were left to fend for themselves or were the very last to be rescued, as reported by the Associated Press on Sept. 1, 2008. You can Google it if you want to read the full story.
Hindus claim they believe in one god who comes in different forms and then they state that there are several “deities” that they can pray to who are separate from the one god they worship. But this is just a contradiction since a “deity” is a god and since they have many deities, that automatically means they have many gods.
Your arguments won’t change the truth that there is only one God–Jehovah the God of the Bible– not Allah or Krishna. I respect anyone’s right to choose which god they want to serve without trying to force them to bow down to the Lord Jesus Christ, but this in no way means I shouldn’t speak out against their false teachings when the opportunity presents itself. If you don’t like what I have to say, then the solution is quite simple–ignore my blog and go to one that agrees with your false beliefs.
September 10, 2008 at 3:46 am |
Hey harry,
Your argument that during the recent floods there were caste descrimination might be correct or wrong. Ok if it is correct it does not have anything to do with the centuries old religion HINDUISM because castes are created by men. You will see similar divisions in christianity also like roman catholics, marthomites, yakobites, brotheren, pentecost..the list goes on. Intercaste marriage is a strict no no in these christian divisions too.
They fight for their church and in the name of god and did anyone said any word and no international news agencies like AP or CNN reported it. Which i wont blame them because they just want to ruin the country india or hindustan and the religion hindu and not christianity Which they and us know will never happen.
regards
Human being
September 10, 2008 at 5:21 am |
Continuation..
In one part of your blog you mentioned about the different dieties and one god concept. This is simple according to the hinduism there is a world of gods where in there is a king of gods called Indra and the 3 superpowers namely brahma, vishnu and maheswara(siva). They are the ultimate gods and the dieties you see are either their sons, daughters or wifes or the citizens from the world of indra’s kingdom of Gods.
Ok now why we say there is this one god concept. It is just a belief in a devotee’s mind to pray towards that ultimate god which is nothing but the 3 superpowers coming together.
regards
Human being
September 10, 2008 at 10:13 pm |
human,
Christianity doesn’t have a caste system. Yes, there are divisions because of disagreements of scriptures, but that is far from being a caste system being set up to keep people down. And just for the record, Roman Catholicism is not Christian. Christianity is not out to ruin India. They’ve ruined themselves in the past through their Hindu practices.
October 18, 2008 at 9:23 pm |
Hello, Harry.
I won’t reiterate what others have already said, but let me begin by telling you that I identify most strongly with Christianity, so I am not Hindu, and I may even be biased in favor of Christianity because it is what I was born and raised with.
Anyhow, I don’t want to tell you what to do, but I did want to point out a few things.
Firstly, you have been using the argument “why are Christians being persecuted by Hindus?”, but have also pointed out the logical answer to similar accusations made against Christians as “not all people who identify themselves as Christian are indeed true Christians”.
My second point is mostly an opinion of my own, and a half-baked one at that, so there may be some issues with it still. But I believe that true faith can only be real if there is doubt. I know that sounds counter-intuitive if you only listen to the words, but in order for there to be faith (which is an act of believing, despite a lack of evidence), there must also be uncertainty (or in other words, a potential to doubt).
So while it is entirely admirable that you have absolute confidence in God (which I definitely envy
), I do not think that it was/is His intention to keep His people ignorant, but rather, perhaps, to have them truly understand other religions, and yet STILL choose Him above all the others.
But I cannot profess to truly understand God or anything as large as a religion in all its entirety because I am only human (and not even a very bright human at that xD haha), so I could easily be wrong.
In any case, I might be kind of taking the bible way too liberally, but I think that perhaps, when it comes down to it, God may realize and understand that all religions and all true followers of each religion are following Him in essence, despite the fact that there may be different rituals and names for each. :/ (I think that’s what they were trying to say about Hinduism and all religions being like rivers.) So it isn’t the minute details that matter, or the outside layers of a religion; it’s the root – the fundamental values – that are important.
I do not want you to sway from Christianity. In fact, I do support you in your cause and I sincerely hope that you can continue living a life with God in it.
But blind faith is easier than faith with doubt, and remaining ignorant will not help you grow, nor will it help you reach others with God’s word.
Anyways…that’s all I really wanted to say.
I hope you all have gotten something out of this, too. -^__^-
Thank you all for helping me think and learn.
October 18, 2008 at 11:53 pm |
krnsushi,
Thank you for your comment. I wouldn’t presume to say I know everything there is to know about God since he is almighty and the only limits he has is that he doesn’t sin and he doesn’t force people to bow down to his wishes. But he does tell us in his word time and time again that what he says can be trusted, since he doesn’t lie.
The Bible also points out that all of its writers wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. In other words, God told them what to write and they wrote it. This can be verified when one reads from Genesis to Revelation and all of the books agree with each other and don’t contradict. In other religions, the “sacred” writings often contradict each other.
Since the Bible does not disagree with itself and all of its writers were under God’s power and we can trust what God says in the Bible because it has proven its truth throughout the ages, then true Christians will believe God’s word when it proclaims that Jesus is God and is the only way to get to God. This is the essence of spiritual truth and all other religions, like Hinduism, do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God and teach that other paths lead to God. Therefore, God does not accept whatsoever your opinion that all religions are following him in essence. With God, the minute details of a person’s doctrine matter since he tells us through his Son, Jesus, that “every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” [Matthew 12:36-37]
Acts 4:12 says there is no salvation through anyone else but Jesus of Nazareth because there is no other name under heaven given to men that saves us. Any other doctrine that argues against this fact is a lie.
October 27, 2008 at 12:25 am |
I have a question for harryagaylord,
How do the Hindu scriptures compare with the Bible. The Bible has a beginning, middle, and end. It is written by many different men with different backgrounds and educational levels at different times and yet tells a cohesive, comprehensive story. Everything I’ve read about the vedas, the upanishads, and the bagavadgita gives me the impression that the Hindu writings are are a disjointed conglomeration of songs and ritualistic incantations. Do you know anything about this?
October 27, 2008 at 5:43 am |
Eudene,
You’re right. The Bible is not contradictory while many of the Hindu scriptures are and I highlighted one of the contradictions at the end of my post above. I would add that there are so many Hindu scriptures that it is impossible to know them all or to get a clear idea of any central theme. The Bible, on the other hand, is concise and a dedicated follower of Christ can easily read all of it in a year while getting from it clear basic themes.
October 28, 2008 at 1:25 am |
Harry,
I am a born-again Christian too. I am also interested in apologetics. I had been thinking about putting up a website like yours with information comparing Christianity with all of the alternatives: Buddhism, Hinduism, New-Age, Atheism, Rosicrusian, etc. I read through all the above comments. I obviously understand where you’re coming from but wonder if a less confrontational approach might have a better impact.
I’ve been trying to witness to my mother who was raised a Seventh-day Adventist and has gone over to new age movement. Sometimes, I get frustrated and say things I shouldn’t say which just makes things worse. I’m naturally pretty confrontational myself but I’ve found that it rarely works. The other person just gets offended and then doesn’t listen. Have you ever heard of Stand to Reason at http://www.str.org. They have a lot of training material on being an ambassador for Christ and doing apologetics in the most effective manner. The founder, Greg Koukle had a debate with Deepak Chopra, a while back, and did quite well. You can see the debate on Lee Strobel’s website at Leestrobel.com under quest speakers.
October 28, 2008 at 5:34 am |
Eudene,
Thanks for your comment. The truth is that no matter how you speak truth in comparison to lies such as the teachings of Hinduism, people will strongly object to it. I don’t know if you’ve seen the international news lately, but Hindus have been attacking, raping, and killing Christians and Catholics simply because they shared their ideas with Hindus. Their ideas were shared in non-confrontational ways and were then met with extreme violence.
The very preaching of the gospel, no matter how non-confrontational you try to make it, will often stir up anger because human nature is often self-defending. As Proverbs says, “The ways of a man are right in his own eyes.”
October 28, 2008 at 12:35 pm |
Harry,
Yes, I have heard about the persecution of Christians in India. I suspect that these people may be non-religous people that feel their culture is being threatened by Christian evangelistic inroads among Hindus. I have a book written by a Hindu Swami that is very vicious against Christianity and inconsistent with the Hindu assertion that all faiths are equally valid paths to God.
I know that some people will have a strongly negative reaction no matter what. But one technique I’ve seen that seems to diffuse tension pretty well is to ask questions which get the other person to admit their sinful state rather than directly tellling them that they are in sin and darkness.
Also, I think it would be more credible to people of other faiths if the Christian is fairly familiar with their own scriptures. I am trying to learn more about the scriptures of other faiths but it’s hard because they are so volunious and difficult to understand.
October 28, 2008 at 9:04 pm |
Eudene,
News reports by the Associated Press say that the attacks were started by “Hindu hardliners” going through villages chanting the name of the Hindu god, Ram, as they attacked. The Christians who they captured and let live were forced to publicly renounce Christianity, tell their captors they were now Hindu, and then burn their Bibles.
I wish you well in whatever manner you choose to share the gospel. Whether we share it in ways that are “confrontational” or “non-confrontational”, let Christ be preached. As Paul said, “Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.” [1 Corinthians 12:4-6]
November 12, 2008 at 5:38 pm |
please elaborate on ezekiel 33:11 when 1 samuel 2:25 says he “delighted” to put them to death -kjv also pr16:4 says he makes for himself the wicked to be destroyed. and also in psalms mocks at the wicked for he knows their day is comeing.. does this conflict with ezekiels statement? i need truth..
November 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm |
Mitch,
Ezekiel 33 tells us that God does not take pleasure when wicked people are punished with death. This is backed up by 1 Peter 3:9 that says God is not willing that any person should perish, but that everyone would repent. However, God has established laws that will never be rescinded and one of his laws is that sin must be punished with death. But for man to escape spiritual death he made a way of escape by having Jesus pay for our sins so we don’t have to, if we are willing to turn away from our sins and confess and believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. If we obey God and conform to his ways, we live. If we reject God and his ways, we die. This is how true justice works when it’s based on love.
1 Samuel 2:25 says that the Lord “would slay them” when it talks about Eli’s sinful sons who refused to repent. Other Bible versions besides the Authorized Version (King James) say “delighted”, but this is translated incorrectly. Eli’s sons made the choice to harden their hearts against God, even though they were rebuked for their sinful behavior. They chose their own fate by rejecting God, so God determined that he “would slay them” for their behavior and as Romans 1 says, God gives such people over to a reprobate mind since he allows man to have a free will to choose his own destiny.
Proverbs 16:4 says that God has created all things for himself, even the wicked for the day of evil. The “day of evil” phrase refers to when evil occurrences happen in the world. This proverb means that God allows wicked things to occur in life and allows wicked people to carry out their wickedness for a time that he determines. If you read the book of Job, Satan had to get God’s permission to attack Job and his possessions. He also sent an evil spirit to King Saul, when Saul rejected him. At other times, he allowed the enemies of Israel to overpower them when they habitually disobeyed him.
God allows all situations to occur, whether good or bad, but in the end he always gets his glory from both good and bad situations. That’s what this proverb means, so it’s not in any way a contradiction to the Ezekiel scripture you mention.
Psalm 2 says God laughs at people who imagine evil against him. He has a right to laugh when he time and time again gives people warnings against evil behavior and shows them how blessed they can be when they obey him. He is, after all, all-powerful, completely righteous, and 100% truthful, so when man tries to devise things thinking they can outsmart him or overpower him in some way, it can cause him some amusement. This is similar to the amusement a parent gets when their kids may try to outsmart them or when kids say their parents don’t know what they’re talking about when their parents try to give them wise advice based on their own life experiences. Then they witness the results of their kids’ stupid mistakes when they go against their parents’ advice.
January 13, 2009 at 4:11 pm |
i would recommend that you get over your extreme fanaticism. I have met people of every religion over my travels and it seems that you are one of a small group of fanatics that insists that their religion is better than others. Many of your original points about hinduism are lies, that my fellow hindus have pointed out over the comments. Nearly all of us have shown kindness toward you and have pointed out that hinduism and christianity both teach love and compassion, yet you continue to condemn us and refuse to look at any of the evidence we try to provide you with. you should be ashamed of the way you carelessly toss out what you think are “facts” about hinduism and how you are truly offending many of your viewers.
could you actually prove any of your points without quoting the bible? we have tons of resources and scriptures supporting us. you blindly follow one book whose authenticity is still being questioned.
some of your ideas such as the sun revolving around the earth have long since been shunned. In the new age of science, new ideas are quickly disproving everything that Christianity teaches.
your religion enslaved people, had the crusades, had the holocaust, had witchcraft trials, emphasized man’s superiority over women, forcefully converted others to your religion, supposedly had a massive flood, all while indians were living peacefully, and you have the nerve to call US barbaric?
perhaps you can marshal counterarguments, but my main point is that you should, with the main support of god being faith, acknowledge that each person is entitled to their own beliefs, and neither is better than the other, since they are BELIEFS and have only a small basis in fact. Dont be such an extremist.
January 14, 2009 at 10:19 pm |
[...get over your extreme fanaticism]
My belief in the true & living God, Jehovah, and in his infallible word are not extreme fanaticism. It’s interesting how you use such a phrase in an attempt to demonize the truth. Extreme fanaticism is when one forces their beliefs on others by questionable brainwashing tactics or by violence (like Islamists do) or when one participates in repetitive rituals or ways of thinking that cannot be verified as true when it is questioned.
What I state here can be verified and I’m not forcing my views on anyone. People read this blog voluntarily, not through compulsion.
[you are one of a small group of fanatics that insists that their religion is better than others]
I’m not a fanatic. I have strong beliefs founded on verifiable truths as found in the Bible. True Christianity is definitely better than other religions because the God we serve is far superior to other Gods. We serve a God who lets us know that we cannot save ourselves because we are powerless to get rid of our own sins. We must completely rely on him through faith in the unmerited favor (grace) he gives to us to wipe our slate clean. All other religions claim that one must bring about their own righteousness by their own works.
So, yes, those of us who truly believe in Christ are in the minority compared to the whole population of mankind because broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who choose to walk down that path.
[...you continue to condemn us and refuse to look at any of the evidence we try to provide you with]
I haven’t condemned anyone here. You were already condemned before I ever wrote this post because you have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is your condemnation–light has come into the world through Jesus Christ, but most people love the darkness of sin and false religions because their deeds are evil. As a Christian, I am called to proclaim the truth in God’s word, not to condemn people. All I have done is relay the truth.
The so-called evidence that people have left here has not stood the test of being reliable. I have quoted chapter and verse from the Bible and compared it to what is in Hindu scripture in my post and my comments to show the harmful, untrue ideas Hinduism promotes.
[you are truly offending many of your viewers]
As I said before, no one is being forced to read my blog. If you don’t like what I say here, simply move on to a blog that suits your fancy. I, in the meantime, must obey God rather than men. God has the power to determine where I spend eternity. No one else holds such power, so I’d rather be cool with him than with anyone who doesn’t agree with what he proclaims in the Bible.
[we have tons of resources and scriptures supporting us. you blindly follow one book whose authenticity is still being questioned]
Yes, you have scriptures that promote incest, bestiality, false teachings on how the Earth is held up, and more. With all of your “resources”, it’s rather difficult to get a handle on what is right or wrong since they tend to contradict each other and they’re so voluminous that it’s difficult to get through all of them. The basics of the Bible are simple to those who desire truth. It’s authenticity has been attacked, but it has held the test of time and is still going strong in spite of the attacks against it. God’s word will never pass away.
I’d much rather have one, easy-to-read, concise book telling me the truth than hundreds that are contradicting, confusing, and spread lies like the Hindu scriptures do.
[your religion enslaved people, had the crusades, had the holocaust, had witchcraft trials, emphasized man’s superiority over women, forcefully converted others to your religion, supposedly had a massive flood, all while indians were living peacefully, and you have the nerve to call US barbaric?]
Right away from this statement I can tell you haven’t even read all of the Hindu scriptures or its history. I pointed out two of the Upanishads above that promote raping women as if the men are superior to the women. Last year there were plenty of news reports telling us that many Hindus in India were trying to force Christians to convert to Hinduism. Where was their love and compassion?
The incidents that you point out were not Christianity. They were Roman Catholic, i.e. the Vatican, or Protestants who were pretending to be Christian.
[acknowledge that each person is entitled to their own beliefs]
I never said or implied that each person cannot believe as they wish. This doesn’t mean I have to compromise the truth to suit you. If you choose not to believe in Jesus Christ, that’s between you and God. But I’m not going to shut up just because you’re offended. The same freedom of speech that allows you to voice your untrue opinions is the same freedom of speech that allows me to proclaim God’s truth.
Sharing truths from the Bible is not being extremist, it’s being obedient to God. I wouldn’t expect you to understand since you are quite content with allowing Satan to blind your mind.
January 20, 2009 at 8:55 pm |
I think the fault lies in Christianity and its obsessive need to proselytize. I know they would dare not enter any Islamic state because they would be summarily killed. However, it is always ironic that these same Christians do not have the nerve to look at themselves I wonder what it is that they do that creates this problem. The problem are not the Hindus the problem is Christianity and it imperialistic and supremacist ideology. It is just another ideology bent on expansionist agenda. Nothing else, because it has ran out of or unable to keep its own flock in line, has to find new recruits, it is based on greed. Until they look at themselves and take the thorn out from themselves they are just like any who want to expand at the expense of others and not only that they infringe upon others without due respect for their life. live and let live is not a notion that they understand. It is only Islam and Christianity that have that obsession of greed and expansion. It is a paranoia.
You have free speech but your intent is not free speech your intent is conversion and at what ever cost. That you need to fix your need to proselytize and at times very disingenuous means and coercive, pretty shameful. Proselytize your own or is that not good enough. Share your truth with your own, but there are none to listen.
January 20, 2009 at 10:46 pm |
Our need to proselytize is not a fault, but a command from the Lord Jesus Christ, who rules over the universe. He said, “Go ye therefore and teach all nations [the gospel], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” [Matthew 28:19-20]
He also said his followers would be “witnesses unto [him] both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” [Acts 1:8]
As far as us Christians going into Islamic states, that’s already happening. Many of our missionaries have already hazarded their lives by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in places like Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, and Islamic regions of India. Underground churches are thriving in all of them.
True Christianity is not about imperialism. You have us confused with the political agendas of the Vatican and several Protestant denominations. The Christian missionaries who are genuine have been called by the Lord to share the good news that unbelievers can be delivered from their sins and from being eternally punished for their sins when they accept the fact that Jesus is Lord and that he died to pay for their sins and rose from the dead so they can stand justified as being holy when they face God after they physically die.
True missionaries for Christ are concerned about the spiritual well-being of the unbelievers they preach to. They don’t want to see unbelievers die in their sins and then punished in hell for eternity.
We by no means claim to be perfect, but we at least know we fall short of God’s requirements and are willing to make sacrifices so we can get as close as we can to how God wants us to live our lives. True Christians respect life and do not seek to harm people by forcing them to believe or threatening their lives. Yet when my spiritual siblings try to share the gospel through their preaching in various countries, it is the Hindus, Islamists, and other unbelievers who threaten their lives and try to force them to give up their Christianity. By preaching, they are sharing the gospel in a non-threatening way. But some unbelievers, instead of just ignoring them and going about their business, see fit to try to do physical harm to them when all the Christian is doing is sharing ideas.
We use our free speech to try to convince people about the truth of God’s word, just like you are using your freedom of speech to try to convince people that Christians are wrong and evil. You intend to convert people to your way of thinking through your speech showing how much you hate Christians. I intend to expose the lies that false religions teach and show people the truth with my speech which is influenced by my love for them and for God, hoping that someone will see the error of their ways and surrender to God’s truth as found in the Bible.
February 1, 2009 at 2:05 am |
Those who have their heads in their a*!#?s will never see the light. This is true of the owner of this site.
February 9, 2009 at 10:40 pm |
Jesus Christ is the only light, I must confess. And those who don’t believe are blinded by sinful darkness.
February 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm |
Mr. Harry A Gaylord,
First off, I’d first like to state I’m a senior in high school, and I’ve been in Catholic schooling my entire life. I stumbled across this website in the hopes to help me with a paper.
I’m not here to say one religion is the valid truth and one isn’t, being as I don’t have enough information about Hinduism to really make a proper argument either way. But, to be honest, your display here offends me. Granted, this is a Christian website, and you have a right to your own opinion. That being said, I feel it unfair for you to state that anyone who is not Christian is, to put it bluntly, “screwed”. The key element of Christianity that I’ve always remembered is that each of us were created with our own free will. One should not be judged by their own beliefs, which is exactly what your doing. Calling hindus “evil” or “fanatic”. If your going to call another “heretic” religion out, at least do it respectably.
Why occupy your time on the choices of others?
And that goes for the Hindus who argued on this bored as well.
At least take a minute to read it. I’m sure you will be forgiven.
February 19, 2009 at 10:40 pm |
Sean,
I find it interesting that you state that you’re “not here to say one religion is the valid truth and one isn’t, being as I don’t have enough information about Hinduism to really make a proper argument either way,” then you proceed to make an argument anyway.
God created us with free will to either follow his commands or disobey them, but this doesn’t mean we won’t be punished for not choosing his way–salvation through Jesus Christ. God’s truth is not based on our feelings, it is based on what he expects of us. Since he created the universe and everything in it, including us, it’s his sovereign right to make the rules, and his rules say Jesus Christ is the only one who can save sinful mankind from our evil ways. Any other way, or religion, only leads to the gates of hell. You don’t have to accept this or believe it, but it’s true regardless of what you or anyone else thinks.
The key element of Christianity is that all of us are sinful and are in need of salvation from sin through the sinless Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s what God says in the Bible, which has stood the test of time and has withstood all kinds of attacks from men.
Do you really expect me to turn my back on the truth just because you or anyone else is offended and your feelings are hurt? Preoccupation with trying to appease people so as not to offend them or hurt their feelings shows that one fears men more than God, and this type of thinking is why society is so corrupt. The majority of people are afraid to stand up and accept or speak the truth for fear that they won’t be popular or their lives may be threatened.
I make no apologies for what I’ve written here since I’ve done my research. Hinduism is of the devil like all false religions are. If you don’t want to hear the truth, you’re free to go to blogs and websites that espouse your way of thinking. I would imagine that since you’ve been educated under the Catholic system and you’re offended by what I’ve said about Hindus, then what I’ve said on my blog about Catholicism will really get your blood boiling.
Finally, I would suggest you take time to read a non-Catholic Bible. You may just discover that what I’ve said is true and, Lord willing, you just might accept Jesus as your Lord.
March 9, 2009 at 1:41 pm |
u r sucha losa dude..
u dunno a bit bout christianity..
y u tryin2 teach or misguide othrz bout hinduism..??
u suck…
March 9, 2009 at 6:36 pm |
Emily,
I know plenty about Christianity and about Hinduism, as I’ve clearly stated and proven in previous comments. If you’re going to make a point, can you try to be original? Your statements have already been made in other comments here and I’ve already disproved such comments, so you’re speaking out of your anger caused by your being misguided and you bring nothing new to this discussion.
April 3, 2009 at 11:38 am |
Am I late to this blog or what? It always amazes me how quick demons are to find a good blog teaching truths and their skin just peels back in trying to defend their wicked ways and deadly religions. Ouch-ouch-OuCH!!!
Great job Harry on defending our Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty. It is Christ like spirits as yourself that shine the Light of God throughout the world. Keep up the great pleasurable work of glorifying our Lord! Our Father loves You!
One in Christ,
Tasha
April 16, 2009 at 2:23 am |
Wowww…..such passionate, intense responses from both sides!!! I do believe that as Christians we are to LOVE our enemy. The ruler of this world is in control of ALL that is within it. Satan influences the economic, political, music industry, as well as in the MANY forms of faiths that are running rampant in the world that have as their core an essence of direct opposition to what the Bible reveals to us about God’s love for us.
When presenting valid premises on one side of an issue, it should be done with humility, and respect for the others’ perception. We should NEVER insult, or IMPLY we KNOW that they are going to hell!!!!!
God’s thoughts and ways are higher than ours, please keep that in mind at all times before verbally insulting someone who is not of our faith.
However,…..thank-you for being vibrant in your defense of our Lord and savior, JESUS CHRIST.
Peace be with you,
Aurelia Salazar
April 17, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
Thank you, Aurelia, for your comments.
As Christians we are definitely commanded to love our enemies. But this doesn’t mean we should always play nice when people need to be confronted about their sins. I did a post on this blog recently entitled “Should Christians always be nice to everyone?” that covers this in detail. Part of love is the ability to tell someone the truth even if they are offended.
[When presenting valid premises on one side of an issue, it should be done with humility, and respect for the others’ perception.]
If you’re implying I haven’t been humble, you’re wrong. It’s because of my humility that I was able to write this post and respond to my detractors. I am who I am only by God’s grace and the knowledge I have is only by his grace. I wrote this post and my responses because I want people to experience God’s love firsthand by turning their backs on false doctrines.
The Bible gives plenty of examples of how we should respect the rights of others, but respect for people’s misguided perceptions is not taught in the Bible. Genesis to Revelation is all about God confronting people about their wrong thinking and wrong actions using his prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ. If God was concerned about respect for people’s perceptions, Jesus never would have preached against the Pharisees and Sadducees.
[We should NEVER insult, or IMPLY we KNOW that they are going to hell!!!!!]
The Bible clearly draws a line of separation between those who go to heaven and those who end up in hell. It tells us without hesitation that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Therefore, based on that godly truth, I can conclude that people who don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are on their way to hell. You are basically saying I should overlook what God’s word says. I can’t and I won’t, not after all that God has done for me. If someone is offended by the truth, too bad!
[God’s thoughts and ways are higher than ours, please keep that in mind at all times before verbally insulting someone who is not of our faith]
You’ve just misquoted this scripture to try to get me to be like so many other milktoast, weak Christians who are afraid to stand up for the truth. When Isaiah told the people that God’s ways are higher [Isaiah 55:9], he was repeating what God told him and it was a message that people should turn away from their sinful ways to stay true to his word. That’s the same message I’m pointing out here. The scripture had nothing to do with trying to be nice to unbelievers so as not to offend them.
As far as verbal insults are concerned, many sinners are verbally insulted when told they are sinful and need salvation. So should I just forget about mentioning that when telling people about Jesus? I don’t think so!
Even Jesus, who knew no sin, used what could be considered “verbal insults.” He called his own disciples “fools” [Luke 24:25], he called Jews who believed in him children “of the devil” [John 8:44], and he insulted people who had a false religion, calling them “hypocrites.”
If you want to give me advice about how I should conduct myself, please make sure it’s based on what the Bible actually says, not on false ideas conjured up by people who are afraid of other people.
November 16, 2009 at 10:16 am |
Harry.here is my testimony to Jesus,i was once a hindu, i believe in Him, I feel His amazing Grace,i know He is the truth,He is the way,He is the life. i dont have logic and reasons, but I have faith and nothing in this world could shake it. pity to those who doesnt understand Him, for the satan takes away the seed before the seed could reach the ground,and satan indeed is very clever and hides himself through other false gods. We are supposed to share the Word,if they dont understand they they are missing the most beautiful Love of the Highest and the most loving God.
April 19, 2009 at 7:52 am |
“Even Jesus, who knew no sin, used what could be considered “verbal insults.” He called his own disciples “fools” [Luke 24:25], he called Jews who believed in him children “of the devil” [John 8:44], and he insulted people who had a false religion, calling them “hypocrites.”
Thank you indeed Harry. You are absolutely correct in all your speaking. Who can deny the truth unless the truth is not in them.
Tasha
May 7, 2009 at 5:39 pm |
om…means sound of god…..being a hindu….i am no supporting this…..according to hinduism there are the trimurthis-brahmha(creator),vishnu(protector),shiva(destroyer,parabrahnma)….shiva is destroyer and not satan…if he is satan how can he help poor people and destroys the entities of evil….is that a show for himto attract people ?….kali and not shiva is the satan….kali enjoys killin and exploiting people…..kali is ugly while shiva is glamourous……kali get involved in sexual acts…while shiva is an ascetic who is always in meditation and praying to shakthi the mother of all gods to protect the world from destruction…..in hinduism there is no doomsday …after last judgement kali is killed by kalki(protector of masses,who is the last incarnation of vishnu)….after that the 3 yudas continues again and this repeats.this doesn’t mean that i’m against christianity….my best frnds are a muslim and a christian.
May 7, 2009 at 5:49 pm |
The Bible says “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.” [1 Corinthians 10:20]
All false gods/idols are devils, whether it’s vishnu, shiva, kali, etc. They are all devils wearing different faces to deceive as many people as possible.
August 11, 2009 at 4:09 am |
@harrygaylord
Well leave the essence of Hinduism aprt,people like you who wnat to remain narrow and cheap minded and following catholicism which just revolves around the story of one man and talking about thphysical and worldy matters cant understand.
Lets talk the history which will prove what you, your religion and church wants in the world
Start from the Gnostics and burning of millions of women by issuing the order that free minded women to be killed and today the countries following your religion are the ones having the most open minded women and involved in all kinds of activities your church defied (remember I am talking about most)
Crusades: your pope wanted to capture the jerusalem, kindom of heaven
Pope ordered and kings raided all the know land just to spread the religion. Think a religion that needed mass murder, war, agression and invasion to spread the message of love, see the paradoxy the people who just know only one man Jesus, even cant folllow his teachings.
the real reason behind the existence of such invasion and trials to expand the religion was that, the church and pope knew that the one who knows the religion and path to god is the most powerful, i.e more the folllowers of a religion more will be your authority.
So the man, you, the follower of such a religion which needs to invade and curse and defy other great religions just to justify yourself and your religion; just imagine how the curse such a religiion is!
You need to think before you make such perceptions
Hope you reveal truth or mention I will teach you here in this blog itself
You also talk about the polytheism, God angels, Jesus
You also talk about incarnation, Lord jesus will come again
You also talk about the rebirth
so why you defy in others.
August 11, 2009 at 10:06 pm |
Ashutosh,
Just to educate you on a couple of things. First of all, I’m not Catholic nor have I ever been Catholic. Second, Catholicism is not Christianity and I have done plenty of blogging about the evils of Catholic teachings and the evil actions of their leaders throughout history. So you’ve made some assumptions about me that aren’t true.
Christianity is not polytheism. It teaches that our one God, Jehovah (Yahweh), has manifested himself in three ways–the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
Angels are not gods and Christianity does not teach that angels are gods. So the acknowledgment in Christianity that angels exist has nothing to do with polytheism.
Resurrection is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is the teaching that there is a continuous cycle of beings coming back in different life forms, such as a person dying and then coming back as an animal. Resurrection is the teaching that humans who die will come back from the dead only in human bodily form, just as Jesus did.
Jesus Christ’s return is also NOT reincarnation. Jesus was raised from the dead in his human body and then ascended to heaven and will one day return to Earth from heaven. This has nothing to do with reincarnation where a life form goes through many deaths and rebirths into differing life forms.
Rebirth is NOT reincarnation. A person who believes that Jesus is Lord is spiritually reborn–meaning they are made free from sin and the judgment of burning in hell for their sins to live forever in the presence of the Lord. Reincarnation teaches that a person must die and come back over and over to pay for their mistakes and sins from a past life.
The fact that you’re confused about the facts just reveals how the lies you’ve been taught have blinded you to the truth.
August 11, 2009 at 11:28 pm |
Holding your nose back of the head or straight of the head is the same thing….. its another way to say Jesus goes to heaven and one day returns from heaven..
well even we can say… all God go to heaven and one day return when the world needs him to destroy the evil and restore the faith.
I am not blinded you are being blinded by being tought the same concept as ours in a broken another way…
I got it all the explainations above; all are in vain…. you are Baptised to your religion and wont understand the Legacy of the Hinduism that shones from past 1 million years and more and not like the christianity that thrived just 2000 years back and that too with no record for humanity to sustain..except to follow the sermon at the mount….when you were not even born…we were making documents and nourishing research in medical sciences and physical sciences….we were devising ways to live in family and offer prayers….Its not possible for people like you nor for everyone to understand the legacy of 4320000 excerpts of 18 Puranas, 4 vedas 200+ upanishads, brahmans and many more beyond your imagination…so keep talking about the yehowah and his resurrection and keep yourself being destroyed as it is happening today…talking practicality…Christianity has never been able to achieve what it has tought….65% marriages of your world go divorce….mothers dont feed babies…almost all youth have premarital sex….and all those that you teach as sins….Why so?? just think and think….only the sermons wont work out anything…. you wont understand the greatness…. Ok take care bye
August 13, 2009 at 8:34 pm |
Your ramblings are not grounded in the truth. It doesn’t matter what Hindus were doing before this or that group since Hinduism is not based on the truth. Hinduism, like all false religions, is based on man creating gods in his own image. And you didn’t go back far enough in your misconceptions about the history of man.
The one true God, Yahweh, pre-dates Hinduism and so do his followers. The first man and woman, Adam and Eve, worshiped Yahweh, the God of Christianity. Then several generations later after God destroyed mankind with a worldwide flood, he preserved one family from whom we all descended–Noah’s family. Noah and his sons worshipped Yahweh, the God of Christianity.
Then starting with Noah’s grandson, Nimrod, humankind started forming false religions with false gods. This is why the people of the Earth got together to attempt to build a tower to reach heaven.
Because of their idolatrous pride in trying to elevate themselves to god-status, Yahweh made them all speak different languages and they had to separate themselves to different places throughout the Earth based on the language they spoke. And when these nations were formed, the people continued to form their own false religions in their rejection of Yahweh. That’s how Hinduism came to be.
Your ramblings also show how inaccurate you are with your facts. For instance, within the last two years or so the divorce rate in America was found to be 43% and it has never been as high as 65%. Furthermore, America has many Christians in it, but we are not a Christian nation.
Haven’t you ever heard the phrase, “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”? Because this applies to the world of Hindus with their abuse of women and girls, whom they sell in the sex trade. The oppressive, hate-filled caste system still exists. A great number of Hindu men are abusive (psychologically or physically) toward their wives or daughters. Hindus still bear false witness against Christians to try to justify burning their homes, burning their churches, and murdering them in cold blood. So where is the advancement you speak of?
September 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm |
To every one on this blog,
Spread love not hatred. Spread love and compassion like Jesus. He will ONLY THEN give you salvation…
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
Then salvation will be guaranteed unto you.
September 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm |
Genuine love and compassion result in a person’s life only after they repent of their sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
“if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” [Romans 10:9]
Then after we get saved–”For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” [1 John 5:3]
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” [1 Corinthians 15:1-4]
September 24, 2009 at 10:40 pm |
to every one on this blog,
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.”
Imagine the humility and meekness of the personality behind those humble words !
“Whosoever therefore shall break “EVEN ONE” of these “LEAST” commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Be “YE” therefore PERFECT, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
All NOT some BUT all his commandments should be followed or else “NO ONE” has the right to enter his kingdom of heaven.
One More beautiful parable…
“Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
All desires that bind us to good living on earth cant be bound to the heavenly kingdom, we have to loosen the bonds of luxury and temptation.
The parables are sooooooo deep in thought I feel like narrating more but more will come only tomorrow. For now let us ruminate on the above parables and try to improve our sinful selves.
September 24, 2009 at 11:11 pm |
to all on this blog,
I could not wait till tomorrow so…
These two are the best parables…..
Combine the TWO…and it gives a new meaning to what Jesus expects from us.
(1)…
“JUDGE not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
(2)…
“Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but EVERY ONE that IS PERFECT shall be as his master.”
Only the person who is perfect as his master is has the right to judge others.
“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of “”"Water and of spirit”"”, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
So….What is this “perfection”…,
what is this “kingdom of heaven”…,
what is this “to be born again”…
that Jesus speaks about ?
This calls for some very deep introspection.
He always spoke in parables so that the one who listened should use their power to look within and improve himself.
September 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
The same Jesus Christ who said “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” also commanded us “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,” [John 7:24]
Jesus, after saying a disciple is perfect as his master, went on to say “why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.” [Luke 6:41-42]
So even if our vision is blocked by our own sin, Jesus said it’s possible to cast out the sin blocking our spiritual vision so we can help our brother with his line of sight.
When Jesus called Saul (Paul) to be his apostle and preacher he told Saul (Paul), “I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, TO OPEN THEIR EYES, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” [Acts 26:16-18].
This is how a person removes the mote that is in their eye so that person can help his fellow man remove whatever is blocking their spiritual vision.
September 26, 2009 at 12:59 am |
to every one on this blog,
Firstly,
Please allow me to confess that “I AM NOT” trying to beat up an argument or an ego issue about I know more or You know more. Because we dont know any thing experientialy, but only through reading books.
This is ONLY a study for “SELF IMPROVEMENT” through understanding very blunt statements in the form of parables. AND THEN FOLLOWING THEM which is more important….
I do not only want to discussions and waste our precious time, time which has been given to us by our heavenly father to become worthy of what he wants to give us v v v badly, that is, His kingdom of heaven.
I am very firmly on the path of self improvement only through introspection and direct analysis of what self realized persons have said in the spiritual context which is in variance to our worldly way of thought & understanding. What THEY say, could be very easily misinterpreted due to our lack of being in direct & total experience with THEIR mental WISDOM state of “”God Consciousness”". That is the state of god consciousness in which they tried to explain to us the way to the kingdom of heaven. Though they can give us the kingdom of heaven, we so much crave for, “ONE CONDITION” is a must do…..
“Whosoever therefore shall break “EVEN ONE” of these “LEAST” commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven”
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”
Perfection, Perfection, Perfection always….
There is no two ways about that statement. No amount of other corollaries similar or lessening that fact of “that” parable can lessen the weightage of the above parable.
And then look at this, one more parable….
“………He that loveth father or mother more than me IS NOT WORTHY OF ME: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me IS NOT WORTHY OF ME. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, IS NOT WORTHY OF ME. He that findeth his life shall LOSE it; and he that loseth his life for my sake shall FIND it.”
See how much love he demands from us….How much perfection….How much abhorrence to wealth, property, worldly attachments & how much our adherence to HIS commandments before we are worthy of HIS KINGDOM OF HEAVEN !!!!!
His kingdom of heaven does not come easily on a platter. We have to firstly be worthy of it !!! But rest assured he will make our wish come true because our father loves us much more than we love him. so dont ever have doubt because…
“…..wisdom is justified of all her children.”
BUT only under certain conditions laid down by HIM. Dont live on false hopes of entering his kingdom of heaven unless you give that ultimate sacrifice and make yourself to be one with him totally and finally. For he says it again…
“The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.”
“if therefore thine eye be single”
Meaning all efforts to be concentrated on Him alone to the TOTAL exclusion of worldly desires and attachments.
THAT LIGHT IS THE WISDOM ATTAINED. AND THAT WISDOM ATTAINED IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
September 29, 2009 at 8:36 am |
to every one on this blog,
ABOUT HOW LITTLE IMPORTANCE ONE SHOULD GIVE TO THE BODY AND MORE TO THE SOUL WITHIN EACH ONE OF US…
“Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth NOT in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.”
ABOUT NEVER BEING EGOISTIC….
“If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all.”
ABOUT HOW LITTLE FAITH WE ACTUALLY HAVE…
“If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence; and it shall remove”
ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD RESPECT ALL THROUGH OUR LANGUAGE WITHOUT EXCEPTION…
“There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”
ABOUT BODY VERSUS SOUL IN IMPORTANCE…
“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing”
ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY IS HIS DISCIPLE….
“”whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not “ALL” that he hath, he “CANNOT” be my disciple.”"
ABOUT THE LAST DAY BEING THE DAY WHEN ONE FORSAKETH ALL AND NOT THE DAY OF BODILY DEATH…
“Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
September 29, 2009 at 9:43 pm |
[ABOUT HOW LITTLE FAITH WE ACTUALLY HAVE…
“If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence; and it shall remove”]
This scripture is not necessarily about how little faith a believer actually has, but about how little faith is NEEDED to make a difference in this life. Some believers have more faith than others and may have faith that is larger than a grain of mustard seed.
[ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD RESPECT ALL THROUGH OUR LANGUAGE WITHOUT EXCEPTION…
“There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”]
This scripture is not about respecting others through our language. Jesus was answering religious leaders who objected to his disciples eating without washing their hands according to the Jewish leaders’ man-made religious rituals. Jesus responded by criticizing them for disobeying God’s commands in favor of their traditions and told them that what comes out of a man’s heart is what spiritually defiles him, NOT eating without washing one’s hands.
And there are exceptions where Christians are not expected to respect people with their language. I talk about this in detail in my post entitled “Should Christians always be nice to everyone?” In it I highlight a scripture where Jesus calls the Jews fools.
[ABOUT THE LAST DAY BEING THE DAY WHEN ONE FORSAKETH ALL AND NOT THE DAY OF BODILY DEATH…
“Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”]
This statement was made by Jesus when the Jews murmured about his statement that he was the bread from heaven that gives men eternal life. The last day Jesus referred to is simply the promise that all believers in him who have died at the time of the Lord’s coming will be resurrected on that day of his coming. This happens at the time of the end of the earth (1 Thessalonians 4, Revelation 20). The last day in this scripture is not referring to the day that one forsakes all for Christ.
I agree with your other points and I didn’t reply as a way of arguing with you, but to correct you in love as Aquila and Priscilla corrected Apollos in Acts 18 and as Paul instructed all of us with Timothy to rightly divide the word of truth.
October 1, 2009 at 8:14 am |
to all on this blog,
“Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
And again he said,
Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”
What is the grain of mustard seed ?…It is dwelling always in His thoughts…and our mind will change…
Leaven is any one of a number of substances used in doughs and batters that cause a foaming action and spreads through out the dough
“He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father, so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna (miraculous life saving and surprise food ), and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.”
“He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood”
meaning that one should always at all times have him in mind and do ones duties so that always his commandments are followed and in so doing these godly thoughts that are always in the mind will act like leaven in the dough and ones mind will be rid of worldly attachments and desires and will always ache for the unification with god.
“Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”
meaning we are not only this body mind but of the nature of the spirit…but sadly we are not aware of this and take ourselves only as body and mind.
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” here jesus also says that god is a spirit…
when we change our mindset and instead of going behind bodily luxuries, give importance only to His thoughts while doing our duties our minds (thoughts) will soon be like leaven dough and that will qualify us for his grace, “”He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”
this will be the great unification or the “kingdom of heaven”
October 1, 2009 at 9:25 pm |
Aha! So you have finally revealed what group you’re with. I knew eventually you would reveal what false church you’re with. Why am I not surprised?
Just like Satan, you have twisted God’s words to promote your deceptive, false doctrine of unification. Unification is nowhere in the true word of God. It is nothing more than a man-made, devil-inspired doctrine made up by your false messiah–Sun Myung Moon. And, yes, I am arguing with you this time.
The real, true, and only Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, said “if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.” [Matthew 24:23] You are pointing to your unification church and telling us “lo, here is Christ” but Jesus told all of his believers not to believe people like you. And since Jesus is always truthful and right, that makes what you’re preaching a lie, even if you quote scripture.
Your false christ, Sun Myung Moon, is a deceiver and a liar and you are a deceiver and a liar for twisting God’s word to promote your false gospel.
October 2, 2009 at 2:00 pm |
Amen Harry. That ole Satan, he’ll try anything and everything to push his false doctrines. He is, at all times, as a roaring lion, walking about, seeking whom he may devour.
Unbelievers forget Satan too knows our Father’s Word. How else would they be able to use it in a way to cause confusion.
Our Father God does not give His Holy Word to the unbelievers. Our Father even instructs us, “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6 They turn and rend everytime:)
This is for the deceived, the children not of God: there is only one God, Creator of all that is seen and unseen. There is only one religion, it’s called being a Child of God, the one true living God. There is only one Church, it is called the Body of Christ.
All have been invited to the Body of Christ, but anyone who does not belong to this one Church is most certainly going to share the pit with Satan in fire and brimstone for it is written and that’s final for you all. There’s no crying what kind of God does that? There’s no questions or trying to make sense of it. It’s a straight fact. Sorry you can’t wrap your stubborn minds and unfruitful hearts around it.
For, all are invited, but of course, all won’t come because of their own stubborn and foolish heart and desires. “For many are called but few are chosen.” Matthew 22:14
“But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?” Matthew 22:18
Unbelievers can read our Father’s Word, but they can’t understand it. To them it’s nothing but a foreign languege, and that’s because it is.
“Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” 2 Corinthians 4:1-4
Our Father does not allow the unbelievers, those against Him to understand His Holy Word because in their unfruitful hearts they desire not to know Him. And the only reason they’re able to use our Father’s Word at all is because Satan the deceiver uses their weak minds to do his dirty work. Their weak flesh to type it. They don’t even know what they’re typing or saying. Contradicting themselves left and right, they’re own organizations are embarrassed. Satan always comes out looking like the fool because he is.
Our Father does not chase down unbelievers and force them to love Him. Why should He?
The unbelievers on this blog or all sorts are all one kind. They are unbelievers, against God, haters for what He demands and commands. They are lovers of this world and lovers of themselves just as our Father has told us.
God’s children, we are mountains that can’t be moved by nothing other than our Lord God, His Holy Spirit and our Lord Jesus Christ. We are members of the world’s greatest Army. It is called the Army of One, God’s Army and He is the Chief Commander. We are members of the Body of Christ.
Our Father has us, His children stretched out throughout the world from the East Coast to the West, from the North Coast to the South and nothing gets in God’s way from spreading His truths across the continent.
So why do the unbelievers spend their lives protesting our Father’s Word? Because they don’t know how to break the bonds they’ve allowed Satan to bind them with. It’s easy. You have to want God, our Father more than yourself or anything else this world of Satan has to offer. How many want that? Exactly. But there are a few of us and just a few it seems.
Our Father only wants who wants Him and the few that do, we will always be more powerful in our speaking than the high number that do not. The more you hate our Father, the more He gives to us. We are clothed with His Word, we are clothed with His Spirit, our tongues and spirits are attached to God Almighty forever. Be a part of it, or be lost forever.
Sometimes I read the posts and I say, how in the world does Harry find the strength to battle with these bozos, but then our Father tells me this, “Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;” Thank you Father.
Why again Father do they not understand what Harry is saying? “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” Thank you Father.
Harry, what a Light you are in God. Not only do you Light the world on fire, there isn’t a fire you can’t put out. Praise God, our Father.
One in Christ,
Tasha:)
October 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm |
Well said, Tasha. Well said! May the Lord continue to bless you richly.
October 3, 2009 at 12:14 am |
Arjun,
I won’t be reading or posting any more of your comments. You’ve said more than enough already to promote your false doctrines, so there’s no need to keep bugging me about it by continuing to send me your comments. You’ll have to use some other venue to glorify the false doctrines of the unification church and its false christ.
October 8, 2009 at 8:20 am |
Thank you Harry and you as well:)Many great blessings to you and in you from our Heavenly Lord!
November 8, 2009 at 3:02 am |
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November 8, 2009 at 11:03 pm |
You’re welcome.
November 11, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
I think Islam and christanity are same. Both profess same teachings that you should only follow their religion and every other religion are false. Each religion have been initiated by one man. Both religions are expansionist in nature either by sword or by money they want to spread their religion. I think that is the reason that they are now enemies of each other.
November 11, 2009 at 10:08 pm |
Just because they have similarities doesn’t mean they’re the same. But I guess it’s easy to draw such conclusions when one does not recognize what truth is. Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed to one another because Islam was started by a self-aggrandizing false prophet and Christianity originated with the one true God who created the universe. I highlight the differences in another post called “Christianity vs. Islam” so I won’t go into any more detail here.
November 14, 2009 at 1:02 am |
Dear anonymous,
The major religions, Islam, Hiduism,Bhuddism……and then christianity.
Leaving Christianity, the rest are created by men.
In christianity, The BOOK, which is the ” word of God” the Bible, which is the only book translated into most number of languages of the Universe, and still getting in to more language is GOD’s WORD.
He has revealed how he created the universe, you, me and what he has done to LOVE you and Me….and How He appeared in this world……and in the last BOOK what would happen in the end of the world and in between all the books is a LOVE story of GOD to you and I.
Christianity is a ………RELATIONSHIP….and Christ in you and me……it is NOT a religion.
JESUS is GOD in HUMAN flesh, He died, was buried, rose on the 3rd day and ascended to HEaven and is going to come back…..
GOd expects every human being to accept the salvation through JESUS……
You can read more in “GOD’s Word”
November 16, 2009 at 8:14 am |
To all you Hindu dudes. Please do not let the words of one nut job like harrygaylord give a bad image of us all. I am a proud Christian who only follows one message we ought to follow and that is of love. Its just unfortunate that people like him give such a pathetic display of Christianity. I will of course ignore his response to my message which no doubt will be full of ignorance, and request all you Hindus to please not let this idiot to represent us all.
November 17, 2009 at 9:47 pm |
[I am a proud Christian who only follows one message we ought to follow and that is of love.]
Is it love to call a fellow Christian who speaks the truth of God’s word a nut job or an idiot? I don’t think so. The love Christ taught was to love someone enough to tell them the truth if they’re on the wrong path, which is what Christ did throughout his ministry when he confronted Jews time and time again about their incorrect doctrines. The love you are reflecting is actually the fear of men and not the fear of God. You prefer not offending anyone because you’re more concerned about being accepted by your non-Christian friends. You consider what man wants as being more important than what God wants. In so doing, you have deceived yourself and are deceiving your non-Christian friends.
November 16, 2009 at 8:54 am |
I am very well versed with Hindu scriptures. Could I request harry, that you provide references to texts where you got your information about Hinduism from. I am quite keen to review these claims you make about Hinduism. I suspect that your sources may be unreliable and therefore this may not be your fault but of people that have misguided you. I feel I should apologise on behalf of all Hindus for a handful of jokers that may be playing a practical joke on you by giving you misleading details just to see you get all tangled up. I mean, ‘worshipping Shiva’s penis’… really ??! I think you have been punked.
November 17, 2009 at 11:04 pm |
Rohit,
Spare me your patronising tone. I haven’t been punked and you know it. The fact that the truth behind the ungodly teachings of Hinduism have been exposed makes you fearful, so you make your false claims my information is unreliable. If you are as well versed in Hindu scriptures as you claim, then you know full well that the worship of the Shiva Lingam is in the Puranas. Furthermore, if you are truly educated in Hinduism, you know that a lingam has many definitions, including that it represents sexual intercourse, the male sex organ, AND the genital organ of Shiva in phallic form (as stated by Hindu scholar of the 19th century, Vaman Shivram Apte). Among the many praises, hymns, or blessings in the Puranas is the song praising the blessings of the Shiva Lingam (known as the Lingashtakam) so don’t even act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Hinduism, like Freemasonry, bows down to phallic symbols. The Freemasons have their obelisks and Hindus have their Shiva Lingam. For some reason, false religions seem to be preoccupied with male members. Probably because they are false doctrines created by men with the help of devils to exalt humankind by catering to his ungodly pride.
November 16, 2009 at 9:47 am |
I was born a hindu,but few months back i have accepted Jesus as my Saviour and i consider Bible the Word of God,i am a monotheist and i believe in Holy Trinity. I dont go to temples and i consider any kind of idol worship against His Word. First time i experienced His amazing Grace i was about 10 years old and from that it took me a long way to understand Him,in between i became an atheist after that i became i devoted devoted hindu, also Jesus was close to my heart cause i knew He is a Living God,and slowly i understood Him and his sacrifice and Our Heavenly Father,and i committed my life to Him and i realized that nobody else is worth to be worshiped, and i would never ever go to a temple (hindu’s place of worship) or participate in any rituals. One very loving experience i would like to share is that when i use to go to temples or (even a small temple in my home) i never felt anything,i tried communicating with God but didn’t felt anything special,on contrary i was distracted by rowdy people in temples and the obnoxious priests doing all sorts of nonsense rituals, but whenever i pray to Jesus i could always feel is His loving Grace,and now after my commitment to Him i feel is Grace and love all the time,and whenever i go to church and or even worship and praise Him alone in my rooms,my eyes are filled with so much tears and i feel beautiful emotions stirring in my heart.I am lucky to know and love Living and True God. Here are few things i would like to point out
..the description of kali and shiva is too distorted and biased,i dont consider them as gods,to me they are false gods created by once stupid humans, but still your point of view is far from neutral.Yes shiva’s private member is worshiped as a sign of pro-creator and fertility(read pagan).
And hindus might be ignorant about santa claus being god…thats seriously funny,i never knew any hindu who thinks that.
most of the things which is written are to the point concerning essence of hinduism.
i think the good news with people who are ignorant of God’s Word should be shared with love and grace.
November 16, 2009 at 10:29 am |
since i was a little girl i always thought that there is something special about me but never could figure it out, but few days back i realized what was special about me,it is that i am a Christian, i follow Christ,he makes my life worth living.He saved me from (atleast 5 serious suicide attempts,that time i was atheist). I was born into a well educated and upper middle class hindu family,my parents are hindu,and no one evangelized me it was through the wonders of Holy Spirit that i had a realization of the Living and True God.