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		<title>By: harryagaylord</title>
		<link>http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/is-man-a-little-lower-than-god-or-a-little-lower-than-the-angels/#comment-6631</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The context of Hebrews 1 is that the Lord Jesus Christ is superior to the angels and then it quotes all of the prophecies in the Old Testament that show Christ is over the angels.  Then the chapter concludes in v. 14 by stating angels are ministering spirits, not agents of salvation like Christ, who minister to those of us who inherit salvation.  This in no way has anything to do with saying saints are superior to angels, because we&#039;re not.

The angels we as saints will judge in 1 Corinthians 6:3 are the angels who kept not their first estate, i.e. the fallen angels.  There is no need for us to judge the heavenly angels who are obedient to God.  Fallen angels received a demotion when they rebelled against God and are considered below the saints according to the scriptures.  That&#039;s why we can command them to flee in the name of the Lord Jesus.  Jesus has given us power over them.

So the doctrine of the pentecostals/charismatics claiming we are superior to the heavenly angels is incorrect according to the scriptures.  You can misquote and twist scripture to your personal satisfaction all you want to try to promote your false doctrine, but at the end of the day (resurrection day to be precise) we will still be equal to the heavenly angels just like Christ said we would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The context of Hebrews 1 is that the Lord Jesus Christ is superior to the angels and then it quotes all of the prophecies in the Old Testament that show Christ is over the angels.  Then the chapter concludes in v. 14 by stating angels are ministering spirits, not agents of salvation like Christ, who minister to those of us who inherit salvation.  This in no way has anything to do with saying saints are superior to angels, because we&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>The angels we as saints will judge in 1 Corinthians 6:3 are the angels who kept not their first estate, i.e. the fallen angels.  There is no need for us to judge the heavenly angels who are obedient to God.  Fallen angels received a demotion when they rebelled against God and are considered below the saints according to the scriptures.  That&#8217;s why we can command them to flee in the name of the Lord Jesus.  Jesus has given us power over them.</p>
<p>So the doctrine of the pentecostals/charismatics claiming we are superior to the heavenly angels is incorrect according to the scriptures.  You can misquote and twist scripture to your personal satisfaction all you want to try to promote your false doctrine, but at the end of the day (resurrection day to be precise) we will still be equal to the heavenly angels just like Christ said we would be.</p>
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		<title>By: loliqu</title>
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		<dc:creator>loliqu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going with Mike on this all the way!  Check out
Hebrews 1:14 and 1 Corinthians 6:3!!  Thanks Mike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going with Mike on this all the way!  Check out<br />
Hebrews 1:14 and 1 Corinthians 6:3!!  Thanks Mike!</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Translators of the NASB were confused about who God really is, and how He compares to man.
God is infinite, and there is no such thing as &quot;a little less infinite,&quot; or &quot;a little more infinite.&quot; 

Man was created a little lower than angels, and Jesus was (in His humanity) created a little lower than angels, and Hebrews 2:9 explains why:

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

In what respect are we lower than the angels? At least in this one; we die, angels do not. 

Modern translators have been nibbling at the KJV for years, and have misled many good Christians into believing much of their nonsense. Even some Fundamental Christians of believing the KJV is more accurate than some of the Originals. The truth is, copies of the Originals have been perverted, and the KJV translators recognized that, and acted accordingly. 

Mac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translators of the NASB were confused about who God really is, and how He compares to man.<br />
God is infinite, and there is no such thing as &#8220;a little less infinite,&#8221; or &#8220;a little more infinite.&#8221; </p>
<p>Man was created a little lower than angels, and Jesus was (in His humanity) created a little lower than angels, and Hebrews 2:9 explains why:</p>
<p>Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.</p>
<p>In what respect are we lower than the angels? At least in this one; we die, angels do not. </p>
<p>Modern translators have been nibbling at the KJV for years, and have misled many good Christians into believing much of their nonsense. Even some Fundamental Christians of believing the KJV is more accurate than some of the Originals. The truth is, copies of the Originals have been perverted, and the KJV translators recognized that, and acted accordingly. </p>
<p>Mac</p>
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		<title>By: harryagaylord</title>
		<link>http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/is-man-a-little-lower-than-god-or-a-little-lower-than-the-angels/#comment-6313</link>
		<dc:creator>harryagaylord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 14:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[But really It does not matter to a certain degreee...we are on the same team]

We may be on the same team, but it definitely DOES matter what we teach since doctrine is important in that it shows us how we should see ourselves, how we perceive others, and how we perceive God (what pleases him or displeases him).

Yes, we are seated with Christ in heavenly places, but this position still does not make us superior to angels.  In the spirit realm we also know, according to scripture, that there are cherubim whose wings go over God&#039;s mercy seat, but their physical position does not mean they are superior to God.

No matter what you argue, you still can&#039;t get around the fact that Christ himself said that we will be &quot;equal&quot; to the angels in the resurrection.  That&#039;s as high as we&#039;ll ever get.

This false doctrine of us being higher than the angels is rooted in ungodly pride.  If you don&#039;t believe me, just go to any church that preaches this doctrine.  Most of them are charismatic or pentecostal and all you have to do is look around and look behind the scenes at how they operate.  You&#039;ll see pride, pride, and more pride!  They strive with each other out of pride.  They seek to get in good with men or women who are placed on pedestals to exalt themselves in their pride.  They will snub people not in their cliques out of pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[But really It does not matter to a certain degreee...we are on the same team]</p>
<p>We may be on the same team, but it definitely DOES matter what we teach since doctrine is important in that it shows us how we should see ourselves, how we perceive others, and how we perceive God (what pleases him or displeases him).</p>
<p>Yes, we are seated with Christ in heavenly places, but this position still does not make us superior to angels.  In the spirit realm we also know, according to scripture, that there are cherubim whose wings go over God&#8217;s mercy seat, but their physical position does not mean they are superior to God.</p>
<p>No matter what you argue, you still can&#8217;t get around the fact that Christ himself said that we will be &#8220;equal&#8221; to the angels in the resurrection.  That&#8217;s as high as we&#8217;ll ever get.</p>
<p>This false doctrine of us being higher than the angels is rooted in ungodly pride.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, just go to any church that preaches this doctrine.  Most of them are charismatic or pentecostal and all you have to do is look around and look behind the scenes at how they operate.  You&#8217;ll see pride, pride, and more pride!  They strive with each other out of pride.  They seek to get in good with men or women who are placed on pedestals to exalt themselves in their pride.  They will snub people not in their cliques out of pride.</p>
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		<title>By: JHH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JHH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps ch 8, Heb ch 2 and many other scriptures that are out there mean that we are indeed a little lower that God and His Angels. But one thing I know is this, that I will in no way say that God&#039;s Word is not true. It is true and will always be, but in Eph ch 2:6 and 1:20 states that I&#039;m seated with Christ in heavenly places or to paraphrase (that just as Christ is seated next to the Father there I am also) that is where I can see that we are indeed under God and higher than the Angels. But really It does not matter to a certain degreee because we are there in the Heavenly places and that we are on the same team Amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps ch 8, Heb ch 2 and many other scriptures that are out there mean that we are indeed a little lower that God and His Angels. But one thing I know is this, that I will in no way say that God&#8217;s Word is not true. It is true and will always be, but in Eph ch 2:6 and 1:20 states that I&#8217;m seated with Christ in heavenly places or to paraphrase (that just as Christ is seated next to the Father there I am also) that is where I can see that we are indeed under God and higher than the Angels. But really It does not matter to a certain degreee because we are there in the Heavenly places and that we are on the same team Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I&#039;m a little behind, but I for one am glad I am a man and not an angel even if they are higher.  Unlike angels I can experience grace, forgiveness and and freedom in Christ!  To be saved through the blood of Jesus Christ and to know it beyond all doubt in your heart, is something that nothing can compare to! I could never trade that for anything! Those were just my thoughts after reading through the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;m a little behind, but I for one am glad I am a man and not an angel even if they are higher.  Unlike angels I can experience grace, forgiveness and and freedom in Christ!  To be saved through the blood of Jesus Christ and to know it beyond all doubt in your heart, is something that nothing can compare to! I could never trade that for anything! Those were just my thoughts after reading through the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. May God truly bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. May God truly bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: harryagaylord</title>
		<link>http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/is-man-a-little-lower-than-god-or-a-little-lower-than-the-angels/#comment-6268</link>
		<dc:creator>harryagaylord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronnie,

I&#039;m glad you left your comments.  I just wanted to clarify a couple of things.  King James commissioned a group of scholars to gather the most reliable manuscripts (the Masoretic text, Textus Receptus) to compile the KJV.  Neither he nor any of his chosen scholars wrote the Bible, they just translated what the prophets and apostles had already written.

Other versions used corrupted manuscripts where many deletions and additions of words had been made.  The KJV got the words of the apostles correct while other versions mistranslated many of their sayings.  This is why there is confusion about the scriptures in the Psalms and Hebrews that I highlighted in this post.  The correct word is &quot;angels&quot; and the KJV got the translation correct in agreement with what the psalmist and writer of Hebrews said.

The doctrine of man being a little lower than God got its start in the garden of Eden when the serpent told Eve about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, &quot;For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods...&quot; [Genesis 3:5]

Ever since that day, man has sought to elevate himself in the same way that Lucifer sought to elevate himself higher than where God intended for him to be.  This is the root of the false doctrine that man is a little lower than God and the doctrine really spread after less reliable, newer versions of the Bible became prominent.  The doctrine was first embraced in modern times by the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronnie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you left your comments.  I just wanted to clarify a couple of things.  King James commissioned a group of scholars to gather the most reliable manuscripts (the Masoretic text, Textus Receptus) to compile the KJV.  Neither he nor any of his chosen scholars wrote the Bible, they just translated what the prophets and apostles had already written.</p>
<p>Other versions used corrupted manuscripts where many deletions and additions of words had been made.  The KJV got the words of the apostles correct while other versions mistranslated many of their sayings.  This is why there is confusion about the scriptures in the Psalms and Hebrews that I highlighted in this post.  The correct word is &#8220;angels&#8221; and the KJV got the translation correct in agreement with what the psalmist and writer of Hebrews said.</p>
<p>The doctrine of man being a little lower than God got its start in the garden of Eden when the serpent told Eve about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, &#8220;For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods&#8230;&#8221; [Genesis 3:5]</p>
<p>Ever since that day, man has sought to elevate himself in the same way that Lucifer sought to elevate himself higher than where God intended for him to be.  This is the root of the false doctrine that man is a little lower than God and the doctrine really spread after less reliable, newer versions of the Bible became prominent.  The doctrine was first embraced in modern times by the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thank you for your time. It was a pleasure talking with you. And I will not be one to argue over God&#039;s word. But I just can&#039;t get over what you said about the King James version of the Bible giving the right translation of the word angels in Psalms. I did not realize that all of the people including the apostles were wrong. I thought the Bible said that all of the writers of the Bible were led by the Holy Ghost to write what they did, not just King James. When was the King James version written? 1511?-1611?  Any way may God richly bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thank you for your time. It was a pleasure talking with you. And I will not be one to argue over God&#8217;s word. But I just can&#8217;t get over what you said about the King James version of the Bible giving the right translation of the word angels in Psalms. I did not realize that all of the people including the apostles were wrong. I thought the Bible said that all of the writers of the Bible were led by the Holy Ghost to write what they did, not just King James. When was the King James version written? 1511?-1611?  Any way may God richly bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: harryagaylord</title>
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		<dc:creator>harryagaylord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronnie,

Nice try, but the writer of Hebrews quotes the Psalm to reveal to us what it means.  Both scriptures have the same meaning.  Even in our original state, we were lower than the angels.  Adam and Eve never flew back and forth to heaven as angels do.  Adam and Eve were not able to pass through solid objects like angels can.

Your twisting of the scripture even flies in the face of what the Lord Jesus told us about our resurrected bodies.  It is only when we are physically resurrected that we become equal to the angels [Luke 20:34-36].  When you make a spiritual point, you have to compare scripture with scripture to make sure your point is correct.  You in your explanation have failed to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronnie,</p>
<p>Nice try, but the writer of Hebrews quotes the Psalm to reveal to us what it means.  Both scriptures have the same meaning.  Even in our original state, we were lower than the angels.  Adam and Eve never flew back and forth to heaven as angels do.  Adam and Eve were not able to pass through solid objects like angels can.</p>
<p>Your twisting of the scripture even flies in the face of what the Lord Jesus told us about our resurrected bodies.  It is only when we are physically resurrected that we become equal to the angels [Luke 20:34-36].  When you make a spiritual point, you have to compare scripture with scripture to make sure your point is correct.  You in your explanation have failed to do this.</p>
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